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From National Review:

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It would be a black swan of epic proportions, China's Chernobyl moment. A tsunami-like wave from a breach in the Three Gorges Dam could wipe out millions of acres of farmland right before the autumn harvest, possibly leading to famine-like conditions. As it is also the world's largest hydroelectric power station, a failure would lead to huge power outages. Low-lying cities of millions along the Yangtze's banks cities could become uninhabitable and the death toll could be staggering.

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YouBet said:

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Short-term I guess this could be catastrophic for us on the pharma front, but long-term it would be incredible for this country to cut them totally loose. Would be worth the pain now.

I'm not sure I realized until somewhat recently how much of our pharma base is manufactured there. The fact that we are that dependent on one of the most oppressive, de-humanizing countries on the planet for life-sustaining medicine is a catastrophic failure by this nation to protect it's citizens.

Surely to god we are doing something about that right now even if it's not making the news.

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lead said:

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agent-maroon said:

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rab79 said:

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In a rare revelation, Beijing has admitted that its 2.4-kilometer Three Gorges Dam spanning the Yangtze River in Hubei province "deformed slightly" after record flooding.

The official Xinhua News Agency quoted the operator of the the world's largest hydroelectric gravity dam as saying that some nonstructural, peripheral parts of the dam had buckled.

The deformation occurred last Saturday when the flood from western provinces including Sichuan and Chongqing along the upper reaches of the Yangtze River peaked at a record-setting 61,000 cubic meters per second, according to China Three Gorges Corporation, a state-owned enterprise that manages the dam and the sprawling power plant underneath it.

The company noted that parts of the dam had "deformed slightly," displacing some external structures, and seepage into the main outlet walls had also been reported throughout the 18 hours on Saturday and Sunday when water was discharged though its outlets.

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Get ready now because later is too late.

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How does record flooding "slightly deform" a "non-structural" part of a dam? Seems to me that if it can be affected by water flow and it's a part of a dam then it is a part of the structure. This statement doesn't ease any of my concerns or am I just reading this with incorrect assumptions?

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Non-structural in this case likely means it doesn't affect the dam's strength (for holding back the water level). The damage/distortion may have been to a cosmetic feature or to something that directs water flow.

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titan said:

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YouBet said:

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Short-term I guess this could be catastrophic for us on the pharma front, but long-term it would be incredible for this country to cut them totally loose. Would be worth the pain now.

I'm not sure I realized until somewhat recently how much of our pharma base is manufactured there. The fact that we are that dependent on one of the most oppressive, de-humanizing countries on the planet for life-sustaining medicine is a catastrophic failure by this nation to protect it's citizens.

Surely to god we are doing something about that right now even if it's not making the news.

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Ross Perot called it right.

Its an indictment on the Bushs-Clinton era of Presidencies as well as Obama, and most was already over there before Obama probably.

Hopefully we are ordering some built -- WW II style, and there is nothing to prevent replicating any of it would imagine.

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Rydyn said:

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Win At Life said:

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scottimus said:

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So do I need more ammo or TP?

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Insert "Why not both?" Chinese girl here.

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I think she's Korean. Oh hell, I can't tell.

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Ags4DaWin said:

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Started toward the end of clinton and continued with Bush and Obama.....DoD tried to put a stop to it but Chinese corp buyouts of US companies where approved by a slew of administrations. It was a dam 30 year play. That is the kind of enemy we are dealing with.

read some articles on that about 2 years ago. that was what truly opened my eyes upto the true intentions of the Chinese.

Prior to that I viewed our economic relations with them as just dumb akin to NAFTA and other outsourcing bull**** but on a slightly grander scale since they own so much of our debt. I knew Ckinton's campaign was funded by them and that was why he had opened our country up to them to the tune of basically handing over military secrets and hardware to them while in office.

Then i found out about the rocket fuel which is arguably one of the greatest military strategic resources in today's day and age. If you don't have that it doesn't matter how many jets you can put in the skies. The rockets have to be fueled to be used.

That caused me to want to start digging deeper and got into how much of telcomm they control in NA as well as Europe and how that feeds into their intel service.

Then research into how much of our media they actually own.

I have been anti china on this board ever since. Which is why Big Rob et al. would really get me going when they would downplay our relationship with China as being good for consumers and thus the country.

It was never good for the country. If the 3 gorges dam fails yeah it will be a human tragedy. but demolishing 1/3 of china, their human capital, a good chunk of their manufacturing, and forcing them to focus huge resources on internal matters for the next 10 years would be good for the world and might stem or head off what would be a nasty confrontation and potentially slow down the worst human rights violating regime and most murderous government the world has ever seen.

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lead said:

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Rydyn said:

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Win At Life said:

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scottimus said:

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So do I need more ammo or TP?

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Insert "Why not both?" Chinese girl here.

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I think she's Korean. Oh hell, I can't tell.

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why not both?

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TAMUallen said:

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DirtyMikesBoys said:

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From National Review:

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It would be a black swan of epic proportions, China's Chernobyl moment. A tsunami-like wave from a breach in the Three Gorges Dam could wipe out millions of acres of farmland right before the autumn harvest, possibly leading to famine-like conditions. As it is also the world's largest hydroelectric power station, a failure would lead to huge power outages. Low-lying cities of millions along the Yangtze's banks cities could become uninhabitable and the death toll could be staggering.

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Chinese anti-religion commies brought it against themselves

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Ags4DaWin said:

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Started toward the end of clinton and continued with Bush and Obama.....DoD tried to put a stop to it but Chinese corp buyouts of US companies where approved by a slew of administrations. It was a dam 30 year play. That is the kind of enemy we are dealing with.

read some articles on that about 2 years ago. that was what truly opened my eyes upto the true intentions of the Chinese.

Prior to that I viewed our economic relations with them as just dumb akin to NAFTA and other outsourcing bull**** but on a slightly grander scale since they own so much of our debt. I knew Ckinton's campaign was funded by them and that was why he had opened our country up to them to the tune of basically handing over military secrets and hardware to them while in office.

Then i found out about the rocket fuel which is arguably one of the greatest military strategic resources in today's day and age. If you don't have that it doesn't matter how many jets you can put in the skies. The rockets have to be fueled to be used.

That caused me to want to start digging deeper and got into how much of telcomm they control in NA as well as Europe and how that feeds into their intel service.

Then research into how much of our media they actually own.

I have been anti china on this board ever since. Which is why Big Rob et al. would really get me going when they would downplay our relationship with China as being good for consumers and thus the country.

It was never good for the country. If the 3 gorges dam fails yeah it will be a human tragedy. but demolishing 1/3 of china, their human capital, a good chunk of their manufacturing, and forcing them to focus huge resources on internal matters for the next 10 years would be good for the world and might stem or head off what would be a nasty confrontation and potentially slow down the worst human rights violating regime and most murderous government the world has ever seen.

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cbr said:

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i have seen sources that say much more rain is on the way, and sources that say that's bs.

i have seen sources that say over 50% of china's crops will fail this year due to this, even if it doesnt fail

i have seen sources that say 400 million people will die and nearly half china's manufacturing will fail if the dam fails. clearly that is BS, but i dont know how bad it would be.

the big danger of such a massive black swan is how people react to it.

the cccp is enemy #2, if not 1, and realpoloitic says **** them.

but if it causes a chain of events that ruin our lives,and it could, then its **** all of us. let's hope not.

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74OA said:

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cbr said:

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i have seen sources that say much more rain is on the way, and sources that say that's bs.

i have seen sources that say over 50% of china's crops will fail this year due to this, even if it doesnt fail

i have seen sources that say 400 million people will die and nearly half china's manufacturing will fail if the dam fails. clearly that is BS, but i dont know how bad it would be.

the big danger of such a massive black swan is how people react to it.

the cccp is enemy #2, if not 1, and realpoloitic says **** them.

but if it causes a chain of events that ruin our lives,and it could, then its **** all of us. let's hope not.

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If today's reporting of a massive third flood wave is accurate, we may find out the truth in a couple of days.........

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74OA said:

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titan said:

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74OA said:

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cbr said:

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i have seen sources that say much more rain is on the way, and sources that say that's bs.

i have seen sources that say over 50% of china's crops will fail this year due to this, even if it doesnt fail

i have seen sources that say 400 million people will die and nearly half china's manufacturing will fail if the dam fails. clearly that is BS, but i dont know how bad it would be.

the big danger of such a massive black swan is how people react to it.

the cccp is enemy #2, if not 1, and realpoloitic says **** them.

but if it causes a chain of events that ruin our lives,and it could, then its **** all of us. let's hope not.

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If today's reporting of a massive third flood wave is accurate, we may find out the truth in a couple of days.........

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Probably too big a task but the longer the time it takes, isn't downstream evacuations at least underway? There is no way to save property, but this is a dictatorship that should be able to force movements.

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Millions have been evacuated, but to begin moving the tens of millions in the path of a Three Gorges Dam failure would amount to the CCP admitting a catastrophic failure of leadership and panic would likely be widespread when the public learned failure was imminent. Rather than lose such huge face, I'd bet on the communists putting a tight lid on things and gambling the dam will hold. Their line will then be that damage would have been far, far worse without their signature dam to hold the waters back.

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titan said:

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74OA said:

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titan said:

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74OA said:

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cbr said:

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i have seen sources that say much more rain is on the way, and sources that say that's bs.

i have seen sources that say over 50% of china's crops will fail this year due to this, even if it doesnt fail

i have seen sources that say 400 million people will die and nearly half china's manufacturing will fail if the dam fails. clearly that is BS, but i dont know how bad it would be.

the big danger of such a massive black swan is how people react to it.

the cccp is enemy #2, if not 1, and realpoloitic says **** them.

but if it causes a chain of events that ruin our lives,and it could, then its **** all of us. let's hope not.

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If today's reporting of a massive third flood wave is accurate, we may find out the truth in a couple of days.........

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Probably too big a task but the longer the time it takes, isn't downstream evacuations at least underway? There is no way to save property, but this is a dictatorship that should be able to force movements.

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Millions have been evacuated, but to begin moving the tens of millions in the path of a Three Gorges Dam failure would amount to the CCP admitting a catastrophic failure of leadership and panic would likely be widespread when the public learned failure was imminent. Rather than lose such huge face, I'd bet on the communists putting a tight lid on things and gambling the dam will hold. Their line will then be that damage would have been far, far worse without their signature dam to hold the waters back.

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I see the point. They are in a bad situation, and even for a cruel dictatorship, like the Soviet Union suffering Chernoybl, feel a bit badly for them.

Here's a wild idea--- and they are enough tyranny to do it---if upstream flooding is the issue, would another hastily created dam upstream lessen the pressure on 3 Gorges? Use a small tactical to maybe create a different flow. It would require some careful (yet expeditious) study. Its more a thought experiment what you do in a situation like this. Its a totally intact dam --- so the whole issue is to just reduce the water volume pressure. It is not like a recent quake has caused this.

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74OA said:

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titan said:

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74OA said:

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titan said:

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74OA said:

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cbr said:

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i have seen sources that say much more rain is on the way, and sources that say that's bs.

i have seen sources that say over 50% of china's crops will fail this year due to this, even if it doesnt fail

i have seen sources that say 400 million people will die and nearly half china's manufacturing will fail if the dam fails. clearly that is BS, but i dont know how bad it would be.

the big danger of such a massive black swan is how people react to it.

the cccp is enemy #2, if not 1, and realpoloitic says **** them.

but if it causes a chain of events that ruin our lives,and it could, then its **** all of us. let's hope not.

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If today's reporting of a massive third flood wave is accurate, we may find out the truth in a couple of days.........

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Probably too big a task but the longer the time it takes, isn't downstream evacuations at least underway? There is no way to save property, but this is a dictatorship that should be able to force movements.

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Millions have been evacuated, but to begin moving the tens of millions in the path of a Three Gorges Dam failure would amount to the CCP admitting a catastrophic failure of leadership and panic would likely be widespread when the public learned failure was imminent. Rather than lose such huge face, I'd bet on the communists putting a tight lid on things and gambling the dam will hold. Their line will then be that damage would have been far, far worse without their signature dam to hold the waters back.

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I see the point. They are in a bad situation, and even for a cruel dictatorship, like the Soviet Union suffering Chernoybl, feel a bit badly for them.

Here's a wild idea--- and they are enough tyranny to do it---if upstream flooding is the issue, would another hastily created dam upstream lessen the pressure on 3 Gorges? Use a small tactical to maybe create a different flow. It would require some careful (yet expeditious) study. Its more a thought experiment what you do in a situation like this. Its a totally intact dam --- so the whole issue is to just reduce the water volume pressure. It is not like a recent quake has caused this.

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The upstream reservoirs designed to control the flow down the Yangtze to the three gorges chokepoint are already at capacity and the surrounding countryside is flooded. There's nowhere upstream to store more water. The Chinese are all in on the Three Gorges Dam holding and being able to meter the release of water further downstream.

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rab79 said:

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In a rare revelation, Beijing has admitted that its 2.4-kilometer Three Gorges Dam spanning the Yangtze River in Hubei province "deformed slightly" after record flooding.

The official Xinhua News Agency quoted the operator of the the world's largest hydroelectric gravity dam as saying that some nonstructural, peripheral parts of the dam had buckled.

The deformation occurred last Saturday when the flood from western provinces including Sichuan and Chongqing along the upper reaches of the Yangtze River peaked at a record-setting 61,000 cubic meters per second, according to China Three Gorges Corporation, a state-owned enterprise that manages the dam and the sprawling power plant underneath it.

The company noted that parts of the dam had "deformed slightly," displacing some external structures, and seepage into the main outlet walls had also been reported throughout the 18 hours on Saturday and Sunday when water was discharged though its outlets.

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Get ready now because later is too late.

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damiond said:

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China actually admitted the dam is "deformed slightly". Here is a picture that shows the deformity.

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locovaquero said:

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Mostly Sunny Disposition said:

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Good. **** China

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In my younger days, your comment was my exact thoughts.

Now, if the flood could hit the party headquarters and wipe out the politburo, bring it on. However, like many benighted and ignorant souls of a dictatorship, it's likely 80% of the 1.4 billion folks in China are great people who just want to take care of their families and live a life.

So in my old age, I'm conflicted. However, anything that's bad for China can't be too bad for us.

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That's because your testosterone levels are a fraction of what they used to be. 99.9 percent of Chinese people would cheer the death of millions of Americans. If a nation does not oppose its government it is complicit in its actions.

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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Rydyn said:

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Win At Life said:

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scottimus said:

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So do I need more ammo or TP?

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Insert "Why not both?" Chinese girl here.

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I think she's Korean. Oh hell, I can't tell.

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She's obviously Dutch

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titan said:

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74OA said:

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titan said:

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74OA said:

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titan said:

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74OA said:

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cbr said:

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i have seen sources that say much more rain is on the way, and sources that say that's bs.

i have seen sources that say over 50% of china's crops will fail this year due to this, even if it doesnt fail

i have seen sources that say 400 million people will die and nearly half china's manufacturing will fail if the dam fails. clearly that is BS, but i dont know how bad it would be.

the big danger of such a massive black swan is how people react to it.

the cccp is enemy #2, if not 1, and realpoloitic says **** them.

but if it causes a chain of events that ruin our lives,and it could, then its **** all of us. let's hope not.

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If today's reporting of a massive third flood wave is accurate, we may find out the truth in a couple of days.........

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Probably too big a task but the longer the time it takes, isn't downstream evacuations at least underway? There is no way to save property, but this is a dictatorship that should be able to force movements.

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Millions have been evacuated, but to begin moving the tens of millions in the path of a Three Gorges Dam failure would amount to the CCP admitting a catastrophic failure of leadership and panic would likely be widespread when the public learned failure was imminent. Rather than lose such huge face, I'd bet on the communists putting a tight lid on things and gambling the dam will hold. Their line will then be that damage would have been far, far worse without their signature dam to hold the waters back.

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I see the point. They are in a bad situation, and even for a cruel dictatorship, like the Soviet Union suffering Chernoybl, feel a bit badly for them.

Here's a wild idea--- and they are enough tyranny to do it---if upstream flooding is the issue, would another hastily created dam upstream lessen the pressure on 3 Gorges? Use a small tactical to maybe create a different flow. It would require some careful (yet expeditious) study. Its more a thought experiment what you do in a situation like this. Its a totally intact dam --- so the whole issue is to just reduce the water volume pressure. It is not like a recent quake has caused this.

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The upstream reservoirs designed to control the flow down the Yangtze to the three gorges chokepoint are already at capacity and the surrounding countryside is flooded. There's nowhere upstream to store more water. The Chinese are all in on the Three Gorges Dam holding and being able to meter the release of water further downstream.

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Thanks. That completes the (scary) picture. The upstream options are already exhausted. Yikes.

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