Hey MDs, Why should I wear a mask?

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FireAg
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No...it is about CHOICE...

Our economy is NOT dependent upon 100% participation...it never has been, and it never will be...

At best, we get maybe 1/3 total population participation in the workforce...

If you want to be a consumer, cool....you can do that from your home and never leave...it's quite simple...they have these things called "apps" on your phone...they're pretty cool...


I don't tell YOU what to do...I give you the choice...

I choose to live my life my way...don't like it? Stay home...that's your right...
expresswrittenconsent
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aTm2004 said:

Unfortunately, I didn't serve. One of the few regrets in my life.


So you just use stolen valor to win internet arguments? What a champ.
CW Griswold
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TCTTS said:

I have yet to see, hear from, or read about a proud non-mask wearer who also comes across as a good, decent, logical, or empathetic person. Every single anti-mask person I've encountered, both in real life and especially on this board, comes across as a sanctimonious assh*le, without fail. I understand, say, the people with kids who don't want to mask up the entire family every time they go to the park for the next few months. I totally get that. But the people who brag about not wearing masks, refuse to wear masks, etc., have never once *also* come across as nice, caring people in any way, shape, or form. Instead, it's ALWAYS about them. And their "freedoms" or not being "sheeple" or not being a "p/ssy" or not wanting to get made fun of, or any other number of asinine excuses. It really is shocking to me, and so incredibly disheartening, that this is even a thing. Next to the number of deaths, this has been one of the saddest and weirdest things to witness during this whole ordeal.


Maybe people that respond to things on message boards are somewhat self selecting. There is a vast world of people that aren't engaged in message board commenting and they hold a vast diversity of opinions.

So maybe don't form opinions on topics based on others attitudes?
Ragoo
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FireAg said:

No...it is about CHOICE...

Our economy is NOT dependent upon 100% participation...it never has been, and it never will be...

At best, we get maybe 1/3 total population participation in the workforce...

If you want to be a consumer, cool....you can do that from your home and never leave...it's quite simple...they have these things called "apps" on your phone...they're pretty cool...


I don't tell YOU what to do...I give you the choice...

I choose to live my life my way...don't like it? Stay home...that's your right...
so you are an anarchist? You only live life the way you want, completely? Sounds good and tough on the surface, but isn't true. Everyday you agree to follow rules and make compromises with the laws and guidelines of a proper and just society. But go ahead and do you. Live your life bro.
FireAg
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News flash...

The virus is never going to die...

The whole idea (as we were lead to believe...*snicker*) was about "flattening the curve" so we didn't overrun hospitals...

It has never...NEVER been about eradication...

And we don't need to flatten the ****ing curve...we have thousands of empty hospital beds in Texas alone and are furloughing healthcare workers because we can't fill hospitals as it is...

So you must be scared of getting the virus...maybe we should force everyone to wear masks for flu season too? Or how about cold season? Maybe Strep season? Where does it end???

If you don't like it...you have the FREEDOM to stay home...

Exercise it...
AggieKeith15
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Ragoo said:

AggieKeith15 said:

Since March 20th? Not a lot because we are all "social distancing." And as I said, people should cover their mouths when they cough, so no there shouldn't be droplets floating around even if people aren't wearing a mask.

By your own logic, how many masks can prevent perfumes or odors from traveling through them? To my knowledge only higher quality (n95) masks can prevent droplets that small from breaking through.
should and do are very different things. A mask ensures that what should be done is actually being done. See the difference?




Is this where I make a Hitler meme and add the bolded portion over his head?

In all seriousness "should" is what makes us free, it's what makes us human. I dont think I need to go further when I say "should" is not the bad part of your statement up above. It's all of the other parts that make it unfortunate that this is still being discussed.
FireAg
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Yes...yes...I'm an anarchist...nailed it bro...
FireAg
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Precisely...

I should probably not smoke an occasional cigar...

It's bad for me, and the 2nd hand smoke isn't good for others...

But I don't want to because sometimes it makes me happy, and others can step away from me and avoid the smoke...
TCTTS
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CW Griswold said:

TCTTS said:

I have yet to see, hear from, or read about a proud non-mask wearer who also comes across as a good, decent, logical, or empathetic person. Every single anti-mask person I've encountered, both in real life and especially on this board, comes across as a sanctimonious assh*le, without fail. I understand, say, the people with kids who don't want to mask up the entire family every time they go to the park for the next few months. I totally get that. But the people who brag about not wearing masks, refuse to wear masks, etc., have never once *also* come across as nice, caring people in any way, shape, or form. Instead, it's ALWAYS about them. And their "freedoms" or not being "sheeple" or not being a "p/ssy" or not wanting to get made fun of, or any other number of asinine excuses. It really is shocking to me, and so incredibly disheartening, that this is even a thing. Next to the number of deaths, this has been one of the saddest and weirdest things to witness during this whole ordeal.


Maybe people that respond to things on message boards are somewhat self selecting. There is a vast world of people that aren't engaged in message board commenting and they hold a vast diversity of opinions.

So maybe don't form opinions on topics based on others attitudes?

Which why I specifically mentioned the people I "see," "hear from," and "encounter" as well, i.e. non-message board users.
waitwhat?
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FireAg said:

At best, we get maybe 1/3 total population participation in the workforce...
I don't have a dog in your fight because I think you're both wrong but this is just wrong. We know exactly how many people participate in the workforce. It's a little under 165,000,000 or about half of the population.
" 'People that read with pictures think that it's simply about a mask' - Dana Loesch" - Ban Cow Gas

"Truth is treason in the empire of lies." - Dr. Ron Paul

Big Tech IS the empire of lies

TEXIT
FireAg
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1/2...you're correct...
FireAg
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Not everyone has to agree with you to make them good people...
Joe Exotic
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Ragoo said:

Joe Exotic said:

Ragoo said:

P.U.T.U said:

I think one thing people have is information fatigue. At first we were told two weeks and mask don't help, here we are 10 weeks later of information where "experts" have been claiming mask are good or mask or bad. Then politics become involved instead of science. Last week the CDC comes out with substantially lower death rates.

I am not sure what could have been done but I know a lot of people said the CDC said mask didn't help at first so they don't need to wear them. At this point it is less science and more of fatigue on some people's part.
what baffles me is that filtration is real science. Certain particles cannot pass through tight woven mesh. You match the particle size of 99% exhale droplet size and mask mesh, boom, capture 99% of all virus containing droplets.

We filter our air everyday in life through our ACs. We filter our water. Why not our breath for a few months?

It isn't difficult.


A few months. Is that like closing down for a few weeks to flatten the curve?
okay, 6 months. Happy? Because really if opening everything 100% meant 100% compliance with wearing masks in public for the next 6 months I would be in favor of that 10 out of 10. 100% of everything is better than 25% of something.


Or we could just open it 100% anyway.
TCTTS
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FireAg said:

Not everyone has to agree with you to make them good people...

During a once-in-a-lifetime global pandemic, if there is a simple, *objectively* good and scientifically proven gesture you can do to help A) not spread the virus, and B) provide some level of mental comfort for your fellow man when in public, choosing NOT to do that thing makes one's moral judgement questionable at best. However, pounding one's chest about not doing it indeed makes that person an assh*le, plain and simple.
FireAg
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Kinda like how other countries did and still maintained similar results as the "run-and-hide" countries?

Yup...how novel...
FireAg
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How do you explain other countries who did NOT do masks and enforced social distancing having similar results as those countries that did?

I'll hang up and listen?
TCTTS
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How about you provide concrete examples first?
FireAg
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I wonder how many people's lives I've saved who think I'm an *******?

Fact is, you're making piss poor assumptions about people you know nothing about because they don't agree with you...they see it differently...

Seems to me, if you need to find an *******, you might want to check out those painting with a broad brush and making grossly irresponsible conclusions about people they know nothing about...
TCTTS
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FireAg said:

I wonder how many people's lives I've saved who think I'm an *******?

Fact is, you're making piss poor assumptions about people you know nothing about because they don't agree with you...they see it differently...

Seems to me, if you need to find an *******, you might want to check out those painting with a broad brush and making grossly irresponsible conclusions...

There is nothing to "agree" on when it comes to the advantages of wearing masks during a global pandemic. This isn't an opinion or a debate. It's a scientifically proven fact that wearing a mask drastically reduces the chances of the mask wearer spreading the virus. Especially when considering the prevalence and existence of asymptotic cases.
FireAg
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Sweden...
FireAg
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Wanna know what also saves you from the evil virus?

Staying home...

And you have all the freedom in the world to stay home and take shelter...

No one is going to infringe upon your rights or personal space or personal safety while you're at home...
Ragoo
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FireAg said:

News flash...

The virus is never going to die...

The whole idea (as we were lead to believe...*snicker*) was about "flattening the curve" so we didn't overrun hospitals...

It has never...NEVER been about eradication...

And we don't need to flatten the ****ing curve...we have thousands of empty hospital beds in Texas alone and are furloughing healthcare workers because we can't fill hospitals as it is...

So you must be scared of getting the virus...maybe we should force everyone to wear masks for flu season too? Or how about cold season? Maybe Strep season? Where does it end???

If you don't like it...you have the FREEDOM to stay home...

Exercise it...
the virus will die if we all work together to stop the spread, or it will work itself thru time and then die.
TCTTS
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FireAg said:

Sweden...

Seeing as Sweden's per capita death rate is 36 per 100,000, while ours is 27 per 100,000, I wouldn't exactly go bragging about their numbers...
FireAg
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Oh really? Like the flu? Or the common cold? Or any of the other viruses out there that never die?

Yeah, okay...
FireAg
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Sweden is at a different stage than we are...

Their per capita death rate in the aggregate is less than many of our own states, genius...

TCTTS
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FireAg said:

Wanna know what also saves you from the evil virus?

Staying home...

And you have all the freedom in the world to stay home and take shelter...

No one is going to infringe upon your rights or personal space or personal safety while you're at home...

No one is denying that. We're simply saying that co-existing in this country, during this pandemic, isn't *just* about rights and freedoms. In this case, science and empathy should ALSO play a factor in how we interact with each other. It doesn't have to be one approach or the other.
FireAg
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And THAT'S where we differ...

This country was founded on right and freedoms...

Virus be damned...

Unless you can show me where this virus is deadly for everyone who sniffs it, then it is illogical to isolate an entire population when you really only need to isolate a small section of that population...
Ragoo
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FireAg said:

Oh really? Like the flu? Or the common cold? Or any of the other viruses out there that never die?

Yeah, okay...
those are not SARS based viruses.
aTm2004
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TCTTS said:

I have yet to see, hear from, or read about a proud non-mask wearer who also comes across as a good, decent, logical, or empathetic person. Every single anti-mask person I've encountered, both in real life and especially on this board, comes across as a sanctimonious assh*le, without fail. I understand, say, the people with kids who don't want to mask up the entire family every time they go to the park for the next few months. I totally get that. But the people who brag about not wearing masks, refuse to wear masks, etc., have never once *also* come across as nice, caring people in any way, shape, or form. Instead, it's ALWAYS about them. And their "freedoms" or not being "sheeple" or not being a "p/ssy" or not wanting to get made fun of, or any other number of asinine excuses. It really is shocking to me, and so incredibly disheartening, that this is even a thing. Next to the number of deaths, this has been one of the saddest and weirdest things to witness during this whole ordeal.
No, you have heard from a non-mask wearer who comes across as a good, decent, logical, or empathetic person. The problem is you immediately read what is written with your bias and can't look past it. There's also the fact that there's zero actual proof that wearing one works, and all you have to rely on are small studies that are inconclusive and/or sheer faith. It's like wearing a lambskin condom and thinking you're safe against STDs.

But then there's also the fact that the people who are pro-mask love to look down on someone who isn't. You sit up on your high horse and proclaim "it's not for me, it's for you" and accuse them of being selfish because they choose not to wear something that hasn't been proven to work. Then you claim that when we bring up our freedoms, it's about us. Actually, it's far from it. Pushing back on unproven mandates from the government are protecting both my freedom and yours. We've seen what the government can do when it has a taste of power and want to limit that as much as possible. If you have no idea what I'm talking about, find a resident of Michigan, Oregon, or Los Angeles. Ask them. There's a reason so many are saying they want to move to Texas.

This being one of the shocking things throughout this is pretty comical. To me, the most shocking things about all of this is grown adults are suddenly aware of how a virus/bacteria actually spread (as if it hasn't been this way their entire lives), and how easily they are willing to give their freedom to the government for a little bit of safety.
FireAg
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Amen...
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TCTTS
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FireAg said:

And THAT'S where we differ...

This country was founded on right and freedoms...

Virus be damned...

Unless you can show me where this virus is deadly for everyone who sniffs it, then it is illogical to isolate an entire population when you really only need to isolate a small section of that population...

Now you're just moving the goal posts. This thread/conversation has never been about isolation. I'm ALL FOR opening everything up ASAP and isolating only the small section of the population who absolutely needs to. But during this period where there's no super-effective treatment, a vaccine is still likely a year or so away (though, hopefully sooner), and we don't yet know if another spike is going to occur, the LEAST a person can do is wear a mask in public for the next few weeks, if only as a simple, we're-all-in-this-together nod/gesture to your fellow man, never mind the fact that it will help prevent the spread of the virus.
aTm2004
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Ragoo said:

FireAg said:

I get that...so if you're so scared about me not wearing a mask...then...



wait for it...


wait for it...





STAY HOME...

That is the BEST way to ensure you don't get sick...

It's up to YOU to protect yourself...you and your personal choices are the surest, safest way to avoid the virus...
who said I was scared? I am only trying to show you through logic how a virus stops spreading. Maybe you don't care, maybe you do. I want the virus to die and us all be done with this. While also having full participation in our economy.
The thing about it is we'll never be finished with the virus. It will be around for many more years. We'll find some way to manage it, like we did with Polio, but it probably will never be gone forever.
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expresswrittenconsent said:

aTm2004 said:

Unfortunately, I didn't serve. One of the few regrets in my life.


So you just use stolen valor to win internet arguments? What a champ.
Where did I use stolen valor? Where did I say I served? Where have I ever claimed I served?

I'll wait until you either find where I did or admit you're making stuff up.

Let me make it easy for you, here is what I posted:
Quote:

Yeah, there's a lot in that post. Apparently, if you put on a mask and go grocery shopping, you're a hero. I guess the guy that's done 2 tours in the ME and has seen **** that keeps him up at night isn't a hero because he doesn't wear a mask when he grabs some lumber at Lowe's.
Don't see anywhere in there where I claim to have served or referenced me in anyway.
TCTTS
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aTm2004 said:

TCTTS said:

I have yet to see, hear from, or read about a proud non-mask wearer who also comes across as a good, decent, logical, or empathetic person. Every single anti-mask person I've encountered, both in real life and especially on this board, comes across as a sanctimonious assh*le, without fail. I understand, say, the people with kids who don't want to mask up the entire family every time they go to the park for the next few months. I totally get that. But the people who brag about not wearing masks, refuse to wear masks, etc., have never once *also* come across as nice, caring people in any way, shape, or form. Instead, it's ALWAYS about them. And their "freedoms" or not being "sheeple" or not being a "p/ssy" or not wanting to get made fun of, or any other number of asinine excuses. It really is shocking to me, and so incredibly disheartening, that this is even a thing. Next to the number of deaths, this has been one of the saddest and weirdest things to witness during this whole ordeal.
No, you have heard from a non-mask wearer who comes across as a good, decent, logical, or empathetic person. The problem is you immediately read what is written with your bias and can't look past it. There's also the fact that there's zero actual proof that wearing one works, and all you have to rely on are small studies that are inconclusive and/or sheer faith. It's like wearing a lambskin condom and thinking you're safe against STDs.

But then there's also the fact that the people who are pro-mask love to look down on someone who isn't. You sit up on your high horse and proclaim "it's not for me, it's for you" and accuse them of being selfish because they choose not to wear something that hasn't been proven to work. Then you claim that when we bring up our freedoms, it's about us. Actually, it's far from it. Pushing back on unproven mandates from the government are protecting both my freedom and yours. We've seen what the government can do when it has a taste of power and want to limit that as much as possible. If you have no idea what I'm talking about, find a resident of Michigan, Oregon, or Los Angeles. Ask them. There's a reason so many are saying they want to move to Texas.

This being one of the shocking things throughout this is pretty comical. To me, the most shocking things about all of this is grown adults are suddenly aware of how a virus/bacteria actually spread (as if it hasn't been this way their entire lives), and how easily they are willing to give their freedom to the government for a little bit of safety.

There is so much nonsense in this post, I don't even know where to begin.
 
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