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And the brainwashing/faith (it is religious to those who still believe) has nothing to do with education level.Boo Weekley said:thirdcoast said:P.C. Principal said:
i'll trust the doctor with over 50 years experience over the politician stating unproven claims as fact.
30 stars. This is what is wrong with America.
We knew at the time there was 1 covid lab in China and tens of thousands of wet markets, yet Americans believed the wet market theory and not the "lab conspiracy theory". Hatred for Trump outweighed simple mathmatics. People are incapable of thinking in basic probabilities because they are so deeply emotionally invested in their team.
This. Long story short, roughly half of America is brainwashed past the point of no return.
Idiots everywhere in Houston still wearing masks everywhere I go even though they're not asked to and it has been revealed that they are basically useless. It truly has become liberal t@rd flare.
At the very least these emails should be waking everyone the hell up.
dermdoc said:Yep this whole thing has been very disappointing. And revealing.TexAg91 said:dermdoc said:
For what it is worth I trust Dr. Fauci implicitly.
Oh my. Amazing what 15 months will do for implicit trust. Can't wait to see some thing I wrote a year ago.
JUST IN: New study finds that the use of weight-adjusted hydroxychloroquine & azithromycin improved survival of ventilated COVID-19 patients by nearly 200% - medRxiv
— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) June 8, 2021
91AggieLawyer said:
Probably already said, but this thread absolutely shredded the intellectual reputation of many on this forum that continue to post. I would seriously recommend that those who made what we now know to be blatantly false claims to issue a mea culpa as soon as possible and restore SOME of your credibility. Failure to do so risks the rest of us pulling up this thread every time you make other assertions of fact.
I mean, yeah, I've been wrong before. A day or so ago on the baseball forum. But I don't make assertions of fact based on what I want to be true. That's not the case with many on here.
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Daszak made the admission at a 2016 forum discussing "emerging infectious diseases and the next pandemic," which appears to be at odds with Fauci's repeated denial of funding gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
While describing how his organization sequences deadly viruses, Daszak describes the process of "inserting spike proteins" into viruses to see if they can "bind to human cells" as being carried out by his "colleagues in China":
"Then when you get a sequence of a virus, and it looks like a relative of a known nasty pathogen, just like we did with SARS. We found other coronaviruses in bats, a whole host of them, some of them looked very similar to SARS. So we sequenced the spike protein: the protein that attaches to cells. Then we Well I didn't do this work, but my colleagues in China did the work. You create pseudo particles, you insert the spike proteins from those viruses, see if they bind to human cells. At each step of this you move closer and closer to this virus could really become pathogenic in people.
"You end up with a small number of viruses that really do look like killers," he adds.
The comments follow growing evidence that Fauci's NIAID has deep financial and personnel ties to the Wuhan Institute of Virology and that Daszak's EcoHealth alliance was one of the primary proxies funneling the money to the Chinese Communist Party lab.
Fauci needs to be held to account for this crap. For those of you who don't like the source, (a) I don't care, and (b) you can watch it yourself on c-span. Fauci is a criminal who should be indicted by the end of the day, for his role in circumventing P3CO oversight for funds given to his friend Daszak's EcoHealth Alliance to Wuhan Institute of Virology.Quote:
Over a dozen research papers carried out under a $3.7 million National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease (NIAID) grant list the Wuhan Lab's Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases Director Shi Zhengli as a co-author alongside Daszak. Shi has included these Fauci-backed grants on her resume.
The Wuhan lab has also listed the National Institutes of Health (NIH) as one of its "partners," secretly erasing the mention in March 20
Proper Twelve said:91AggieLawyer said:
Probably already said, but this thread absolutely shredded the intellectual reputation of many on this forum that continue to post. I would seriously recommend that those who made what we now know to be blatantly false claims to issue a mea culpa as soon as possible and restore SOME of your credibility. Failure to do so risks the rest of us pulling up this thread every time you make other assertions of fact.
I mean, yeah, I've been wrong before. A day or so ago on the baseball forum. But I don't make assertions of fact based on what I want to be true. That's not the case with many on here.
Hindsight is 2020 as they say.
Others didn't need this thread to know it was a hoax
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It's unbelievable, but at the same time unsurprising that this board is questioning the motives of Dr. Fauci. Trump is making unproven claims about hydroxychloroquine treating COVID, and the actual doctor who knows a hell of a lot more than Trump does about this is having to correct the record and say that it's not yet known.
ABCDE said:
I Don't trust him.
BMX Bandit said:
It's the difference between how a scientist answers questions vs how the layman politician does.
Fauci has been a solid supporter of what Trump has said and done
BigfootYancey said:
I like Fauci. Obviously the rest of the committee does as well. He speaks in facts, and as mentioned his focus is on reducing loss of life. His viewpoints are, I am sure, weighed against social and economic focus as well.
It is necessary for Americans to hear his viewpoints to drive home the importance of careful behavior during this time.
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I am a political conservative who recently retired from TAMU where I held appointments in both the medical and veterinary colleges. My long research career includes extensive research in infectious diseases, although not on corona viruses. Tony Fauci is the only scientist on the President's task force, and he is truly outstanding in both the breadth and the depth of his knowledge. He will not compromise his science based opinions for either the President or the liberal media. I was proud of President Trump for putting him on the task force. Heaven help us when we judge scientific opinion based on the political leaning of the source.
Cassius said:peachbasket said:
I am a political conservative who recently retired from TAMU where I held appointments in both the medical and veterinary colleges. My long research career includes extensive research in infectious diseases, although not on corona viruses. Tony Fauci is the only scientist on the President's task force, and he is truly outstanding in both the breadth and the depth of his knowledge. He will not compromise his science based opinions for either the President or the liberal media. I was proud of President Trump for putting him on the task force. Heaven help us when we judge scientific opinion based on the political leaning of the source.
1) Timeline from myself & @HansMahncke of Fauci Emails & Call:
— Jeff Carlson (@themarketswork) June 5, 2021
Jan 31, 2020 - Fauci receives email at 8:43 p.m. from Greg Folkers at NIH. Email contains no text — only single, lengthy article that had been published in the magazine Science that evening.https://t.co/BAsfMi93Ys
Fauci demonstrates superior poker face as he explains how the #WuhanVirus jumped from a bat to humans. He’s a beauty, this guy. pic.twitter.com/4j8tH8wfT0
— James Woods (@RealJamesWoods) June 16, 2021
Great hero you've got there, Faucists.Quote:
The National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, directed by Dr. Anthony Fauci, spent $424,455 in taxpayer funds on experiments to infest beagles with parasite-carrying flies, even though the procedure had already been extensively tested on other animals. White Coat Waste Project, the government watchdog group that obtained the documents, found that about half of Fauci's $6 billion budget was used for animal experimentation, including the abusive dog experiment.
The funds were directed to the University of Georgia Research Foundation to conduct the experiment.
"According to documents that we just obtained using the Freedom of Information Act, Fauci just spent $424,000 to commission a study in which healthy beagles are given an experimental drug and then intentionally infested with flies that carry a disease-causing parasite that affects humans," White Coat Waste Project wrote.
The documents further revealed that the experiments were not necessary because scientists had already performed similar tests on various other animals.
"Experimenters admit this investigational drug, 'has been extensively tested and confirmed in different animal models such as mice Mongolian gerbils and rhesus macaques,'" the group found.
Records obtained by the FOIA request show the dogs "vocalized pain" during the experiments.
The Daily Caller reported the NIAID task order showed "28 beagles were to be allowed to develop infections for three months before being euthanized for blood collection. The dog experiments are set to be completed by January 2022, however, the task order states that the beagles are to be euthanized 196 days after the start of the study. According to emails obtained by WCW, the study began on Nov. 12, 2020, meaning the beagles would have been scheduled to be euthanized in June 2021."
Justin Goodman, vice president of White Coat Waste Project, said in a statement that Fauci needs to be held accountable for the taxpayer-funded abusive animal experimentation.
"It's not just Wuhan," Goodman said. "Fauci's budget has ballooned to over $6 billion in taxpayer funding annually, at least half of which is being wasted on more questionable animal experimentation like these deadly and unnecessary beagle tests and other maximum pain experiments. Fauci needs to be held accountable for this staggering waste and abuse overseas and right here at home."
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After claiming for the longest time that only 70 percent of Americans needed to get "vaccinated" for the Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19) in order to "stop the spread," fake television "doctor" Tony Fauci is now insisting that the true figure is more like 90 percent.
Speaking at the Center for Strategic and International Studies the other day, Fauci rewrote the plandemic script once again by claiming that once the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) grants full approval for the Trump Vaccines from "Operation Warp Speed," businesses, colleges and other institutions will be free to start mandating the shots as a condition of employment and participation in society.
Fauci says that about 70 percent of adults in America are now vaccinated, but that 20 more percent will need to roll up their sleeves in order to "flatten the curve" in the coming weeks and months.
"I'd settle for 70 percent of 80 percent, but I'd love to see 90 percent," Fauci stated, suggesting that a 90 percent compliance rate is the best way to keep everyone "safe" against the alleged infestation of Chinese Germs that just will not relent from occupying mainstream media headlines.
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Australian journalist Sharri Markson has written a book titled What Really Happened in Wuhan: the Cover-Ups, the Conspiracies and the Classified Research. The book was excerpted in today's London Times, from which these paragraphs come:If this account is correct, Fauci played a key role in the restarting of gain-of-function research at the WIV in 2017.Quote:
Fauci defended the scientists who had undertaken the highly controversial gain-of-function research that had prompted the global debate, saying they had "conducted their research properly and under the safest and most secure conditions". The same research that some international scientists said should be banned, Fauci described as "important".
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The mandatory "pause" or ban on gain-of-function research was inexplicably lifted under the Trump administration in 2017. No adequate explanation has been given for why this decision was made. There was no public debate. On December 19, 2017, the NIH announced it would resume funding gain-of-function research involving Mers, Sars, coronaviruses and influenza after a new "framework" had been developed by the Department of Health and Human Services.
Senior administration officials told me Fauci did not raise the issue of kickstarting gain-of-function research with any senior figures in the White House. There was one White House meeting, which Fauci requested with the Office of Science and Technology Policy, where he raised the issue of gain-of-function research. "It kind of just got rammed through," a senior source claimed.
I asked the former national security adviser Robert O'Brien about this. "I was in meeting after meeting with Dr Fauci, and that never came up," he says. "I don't know if he alerted anyone. I never heard about it until I was out of office." Mike Pompeo, who was director of the CIA from 2017 to 2018, said he didn't know if Fauci got permission from anyone to re-start the dangerous research, particularly with regard to contributing funding via sub-grants to the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Fauci didn't even tell his boss, Alex Azar, the health secretary, who only found out the US restriction on gain-of-function research had been lifted from media reports in 2021.While the evidence might never be definitive, especially given the Chinese government's apparent cover-up efforts, there seems to be an emerging consensus that the Wuhan lab is the most likely source of COVID-19. If that is the case, Dr. Fauci has much to answer for, if anyone other than Rand Paul ever asks the questions. If gain of function research was paused at the Wuhan Institute of Virology in 2014that is, if the research itself was paused and not merely our funding of itand if gain of function research was then re-started in 2017 at the instance of Dr. Fauci, the man who ostensibly has been in charge of combatting the virus may have played a major role in unleashing it in the first place.Quote:
In hindsight we can clearly see that health authorities, the US government and international governments all ignored the warnings from eminent scientists, and allowed the dangerous scientific research to go ahead. The public was never brought into these debates. While the origins of Covid-19 have not yet been established, it's clear this type of research carries grave risks.
What was even more terrifying was that not only was the NIH funding gain-of-function research in the US but it was funding research in China, where it had no oversight and no way of knowing how safe the laboratories were where these risky experiments were taking place.
This seems like something our "mainstream" reporters should take a break from Twitter and inquire into.
Dr. Fauci is too busy to do a 15 minute @clayandbuck interview, but he had time to make a movie and pose for this absurd photo shoot. pic.twitter.com/njidyHaTG5
— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) September 23, 2021
How Fauci Fooled America
— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) November 2, 2021
“Dr. Fauci got major epidemiology and public health questions wrong. Reality and scientific studies have now caught up with him.” https://t.co/8IX3Z38mws
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When the pandemic hit, America needed someone to turn to for advice. The media and public naturally looked to Dr. Anthony Faucithe director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, an esteemed laboratory immunologist and one of President Donald Trump's chosen COVID advisers. Unfortunately, Dr. Fauci got major epidemiology and public health questions wrong. Reality and scientific studies have now caught up with him.
Here are the key issues:
Natural immunity. By pushing vaccine mandates, Dr. Fauci ignores naturally acquired immunity among the COVID-recovered, of which there are more than 45 million in the United States. Mounting evidence indicates that natural immunity is stronger and longer lasting than vaccine-induced immunity. [Eds.: Long term trends are still unclear, and some recent studies reach the opposite conclusion.] In a study from Israel, the vaccinated were 27 times more likely to get symptomatic COVID than the unvaccinated who had recovered from a prior infection.
We have known about natural immunity from disease at least since the Athenian Plaguein 430 BC. Pilots, truckers and longshoremen know about it, and nurses know it better than anyone. Under Fauci's mandates, hospitals are firing heroic nurses who recovered from COVID they contracted while caring for patients. With their superior immunity, they can safely care for the oldest and frailest patients with even lower transmission risk than the vaccinated.
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Masks. The gold standard of medical research is randomized trials, and there have now been two on COVID masks for adults. For children, there is no solid scientific evidence that masks work. A Danish study found no statistically significant difference between masking and not masking when it came to coronavirus infection. (Eds. A recent studyshowed that masks do reduce infections.) In a study in Bangladesh, the 95 percent confidence interval showed that masks reduced transmission between 0 percent and 18 percent. Hence, masks are either of zero or limited benefit. There are many more critical pandemic measures that Dr. Fauci could have emphasized, such as better ventilation in schools and hiring nursing home staff with natural immunity.
Contact tracing. For some infectious diseases, such as Ebola and syphilis, contact tracing is critically important. For a commonly circulating viral infection such as COVID, it was a hopeless waste of valuable public health resources that did not stop the disease.
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Collateral public health damage. A fundamental public health principle is that health is multidimensional; the control of a single infectious disease is not synonymous with health. As an immunologist, Dr. Fauci failed to properly consider and weigh the disastrous effects lockdowns would have on cancer detection and treatment, cardiovascular disease outcomes, diabetes care, childhood vaccination rates, mental health and opioid overdoses, to name a few. Americans will live withand die fromthis collateral damage for many years to come.
In private conversations, most of our scientific colleagues agree with us on these points. While a few have spoken up, why are not more doing so? Well, some tried but failed. Others kept silent when they saw colleagues slandered and smeared in the media or censored by Big Tech. Some are government employees who are barred from contradicting official policy. Many are afraid of losing positions or research grants, aware that Dr. Fauci sits on top of the largest pile of infectious disease research money in the world. Most scientists are not experts on infectious disease outbreaks. Were we, say, oncologists, physicists or botanists, we would probably also have trusted Dr. Fauci.
The evidence is in. Governors, journalists, scientists, university presidents, hospital administrators and business leaders can continue to follow Dr. Anthony Fauci or open their eyes. After 700,000-plus COVID deaths and the devastating effects of lockdowns, it is time to return to basic principles of public health.
Martin Kulldorff, Ph.D., is an epidemiologist, biostatistician, and Professor of Medicine at Harvard Medical School. Jay Bhattacharya, MD, Ph.D., is a Professor of Health Policy at Stanford University School of Medicine. Both are Senior Scholars at the newly formed Brownstone Institute.
Tanya 93 said:His research has not contributed to society?HowdyTAMU said:Yep, most conservatives go back to contributing to society at some point.rgag12 said:
Oh yea, he's definitely a democrat. Only Dems stay in the government as long as he has.
My Name Is Judge said:Tanya 93 said:His research has not contributed to society?HowdyTAMU said:Yep, most conservatives go back to contributing to society at some point.rgag12 said:
Oh yea, he's definitely a democrat. Only Dems stay in the government as long as he has.
Are you referring to his dog torture or the covid gain of function he paid wuhan w American tax dollars ?
nortex97 said:
I think this is just an old attempt to 'tanya' this thread on some sort of speculation about his greater body of research (which is pathetic).
The bottom line is that he has been and is terrible at policy/research analysis (and synthesizing that into a message), and as a result millions (perhaps hundreds of millions) have now died globally, and the US has invested billions into meaningless HIV vaccine research at the expense of cancer/heart disease.
He is what he was 10, 20, or 30 years ago; a net negative, to say the least, in the history of public health officials and the confidence of people in the 'system' as to decision making/recommendations therein. Don't take my word for it though, ask the gay haitian immigrant community.
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When asked about the new variant, Fauci punted on banning travel from South Africa. That comes amid announcements from multiple European countries that they are doing so.
When would the data say it's necessary? After it's already here and spreading? I simply don't understand the logic here. Wouldn't the goal be to stop that variant from coming to the United States in the first place?
This is why I don't take this man seriously. Captain lockdown mandate man has never had a problem with taking harsh measures when it comes to the coronavirus. He's supported everything from forced vaccinations to mask mandates to shutting down sports arenas. He spends every weekend giving interviews to friendly media proclaiming how dangerous the virus is.
Yet, when the opportunity comes up to do something as simple as stopping air travel from a country with a new variant, he demurs. Why? Why is willing to crush liberties and violate the constitution domestically, yet gets squeamish when it comes to our borders (including the Southern Border)? That is something actually within the federal government's purview.
Despite China's acknowledgment that COVID-19 most likely did not originate in a wet market, Dr. Fauci tells @margbrennan "it certainly could have," adding, we still "don't know how and where" the virus started.
— Face The Nation (@FaceTheNation) November 26, 2021
New analysis of the first patient suggests the pandemic began there. pic.twitter.com/yH0S61Mj11
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Fauci also commented on the origins of COVID-19, where he was confronted with the fact that not even the Chinese are still pushing the wet-market theory. His answer should only raise more suspicions about exactly what is motivating him.
He's like a kid that just won't take no for an answer. If you actually watch Fauci in the clip trying to explain why it likely came from bats, it's clear his knowledge on the subject is limited. He stumbles several times and refuses to accept the notion that the virus didn't originate in a wet market. Even as the evidence that the virus leaked from the Wuhan Institute of Virology exists, Fauci continues to toe a line that protects China.
That's where I say he gives the game away. You look at these two answers, one about a travel ban and another about the origins of the virus, and they are both soaked in politics. In the first case, it seems as if Fauci is concerned he would be accused of xenophobia for recommending we ban travel from an African nation. Otherwise, why not just play it safe? In the second case, he's steadfastly married to a claim that just so happens to follow the leftwing's preferred narrative, which is that the virus occurred naturally. As a bonus, it plays into his prior subservience to China as well.
Fauci is a man who enjoys the spotlight, but he's also a man who adjusts his positions to keep him. That's why so few trust him anymore. He's simply a political actor masquerading as an unbiased expert.
SUag said:Dr. Fauci is best case scenario for someone who is science/data driven but also aligns with trump policy. However, cracks are starting to show in the relationship as Dr. Fauci is not afraid to contradict standard trump lies and bs for the benefit of the public.BMX Bandit said:
It's the difference between how a scientist answers questions vs how the layman politician does.
Fauci has been a solid supporter of what Trump has said and done
Accordingly, wouldn't be surprised to see Dr. Fauci's role minimized going forward or eliminated outright. Trump plays 2nd fiddle to no one. He and his personal agenda ALWAYS come first.
Lets see how this plays out.
I am very concerned that if Trump is ahead in the polls, again, heading into 2024, Fauci will find some way to unleash Fauci-flu 2.0 on the world. He still of course cannot be trusted at all as a 'public health' official. That he is now lambasting "Republican Senators" as the ones lying, not just President Trump, has dropped his mask yet again.Quote:
The highest-paid man in the US government, Dr. Anthony Fauci, was on TV again this weekend, doing a sit-down interview with CBS News' Margaret Brennan. RedState has already reported on some of the absurdities previously released, but they truly saved the good stuff for Sunday.
In what can only be described as an incredibly bizarre exchange, Fauci brings up January 6th and declares that attacks on him are attacks on science itself. This man's ego knows no bounds.The mention of prosecution has to do with the fact that Fauci pretty clearly lied to Congress when he insisted that the NIH had not funded gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.Quote:
MARGARET BRENNAN: Senator Cruz told the attorney general you should be prosecuted.
DR. FAUCI: Yeah. I have to laugh at that. I should be prosecuted? What happened on Jan. 6, senator?
MARGARET BRENNAN: Do you think that this is about making you a scapegoat to deflect
DR. FAUCI: Of course-
MARGARET BRENNAN: From President Trump?
DR. FAUCI: Of course, you have to be asleep not to figure that one out.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, there are a lot of Republican senators taking aim at this. I mean
DR. FAUCI: That's OK, I'm just going to do my job and I'm going to be saving lives and they're going to be lying.
Documents were later released that showed that they had done so, though the government rushed to change definitions online to try to cover themselves. In short, Rand Paul was right, and last I checked, lying to Congress is a crime. That's why Ted Cruz suggested that Fauci should be prosecuted.
Yet, instead of offering some kind of salient defense of his past falsehoods, Fauci says to ask Ted Cruz about January 6th. What does Cruz have to do with January 6th? The answer is absolutely nothing. Cruz did not have any contact with anyone who entered the Capitol Building that day, nor did he do anything but condemn their actions.
And is the good doctor just unaware that lots of people are, in fact, being harshly prosecuted over January 6th? Ironically, by bringing that up to snark at Cruz, Fauci is making an affirmative case for his own prosecution. It also shows that he is every bit the far-left conspiracy theorist some have suspected.
That kind of idiotic response from Fauci completely gives away who he is (not that it's been previously a secret). This guy is a politician, through and through. There's a reason he started attacking Donald Trump in the months leading up to the 2020 election. He knew that he had to keep his seat at the table, and he was more than happy to suck up to Democrats to make sure that happened.
But, it's more than that. Fauci himself is a rabid liberal and always has been. The assertions of the last several years, where he's been painted as some kind of unbiased public servant, were always nonsense.
But perhaps the most absurd thing Fauci says here is that attacking him amounts to attacking science.
This is a man who has lied multiple times throughout the pandemic. Even past that, he's been wrong more times than I can keep track of. Yet, he wants to assert that any questioning of him is an attack on the institution of science itself? That's a tyrannical notion that assumes he is simply above reproach and should never be held accountable. Any government official with that attitude deserves to be fired immediately, not lauded as an "expert."