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Bo Darville said:

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I wouldn't lump Collins in that group after she went scorched earth on Democrats at the Kav hearing.

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She may have shown some amount of honesty and fairness in that but she's not a movement conservative.

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Still, I also think she is not in that group. She is just a genuine case of the one or two that does have questions. I suspect her answer would have been the same even if the only one. She is not a Romney or McCain. She has proven that.

titan said:

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who?mikejones said:

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Appears Bolton's book is about his own assumptions and presumptions of events.

So more of the same.

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Can't do it now, it would look like full-blown suppression.

But after this any book writing for profit by a former admin official DURING the term of the admin served under should be off the table. You have to wait till the next administration. Its just too undermining.

And if there is real concern about what is going on, you publish it -- FOR FREE. So no interference with your free speech and power to `mention things during the admin' before someone brings it up. But it would keep your motives clear.

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The problem is interpretation. Whomever leaked the manuscript, bolton himself or someone else, did this intentionally at this time for the express purpose of pressuring Republicans to introduce witnesses to their trial.

The times article doesnt even need to be all that accurate. They only need the headline.

Further, there is a 0% chance the dems didnt k ow about this before the article leaked. The held it back for the express purpose of a pressure campaign, and because if they would've interviewed bolton during the house portion his testimony couldve been diluted with the others and summarily disregarded.

The dems are not playing for 4 Republican votes, the are playing for one. They had three in the bag.

Bo Darville said:

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Why have you not taken my bet?

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Oh lawd how many bet challenges? Trump can be hilariously guilty, bungle the cover up, have top aids turn on him, and the Senate will probably still acquit.

This just makes it more uncomfortable for them to do. But there's a wildcard. Does anybody think this tornado of sh#t is gonna stop blowing? More leaks, more damning info? The truth keeps coming out and Trump was caught in a BIG lie.

John Maplethorpe said:

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Bo Darville said:

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Why have you not taken my bet?

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Oh lawd how many bet challenges? Trump can be hilariously guilty, bungle the cover up, have top aids turn on him, and the Senate will probably still acquit.

This just makes it more uncomfortable for them to do. But there's a wildcard. Does anybody think this tornado of sh#t is gonna stop blowing? More leaks, more damning info? The truth keeps coming out and Trump was caught in a BIG lie.

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I don't care what he does as long as keeps liberal democrats policy at bay.

who?mikejones said:

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titan said:

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who?mikejones said:

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Appears Bolton's book is about his own assumptions and presumptions of events.

So more of the same.

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Can't do it now, it would look like full-blown suppression.

But after this any book writing for profit by a former admin official DURING the term of the admin served under should be off the table. You have to wait till the next administration. Its just too undermining.

And if there is real concern about what is going on, you publish it -- FOR FREE. So no interference with your free speech and power to `mention things during the admin' before someone brings it up. But it would keep your motives clear.

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The problem is interpretation. Whomever leaked the manuscript, bolton himself or someone else, did this intentionally at this time for the express purpose of pressuring Republicans to introduce witnesses to their trial.

The times article doesnt even need to be all that accurate. They only need the headline.

Further, there is a 0% chance the dems didnt k ow about this before the article leaked. The held it back for the express purpose of a pressure campaign, and because if they would've interviewed bolton during the house portion his testimony couldve been diluted with the others and summarily disregarded.

The dems are not playing for 4 Republican votes, the are playing for one. They had three in the bag.

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No argument. But my solution would deal with that too. It wouldn't exist to `leak'. Should not. I am actually surprised they do. They seem self-evident breaches of internal security if they happen during the same admin rather than `tell all' after the fact.

John Maplethorpe said:

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Bo Darville said:

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Why have you not taken my bet?

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Oh lawd how many bet challenges? Trump can be hilariously guilty, bungle the cover up, have top aids turn on him, and the Senate will probably still acquit.

This just makes it more uncomfortable for them to do. But there's a wildcard. Does anybody think this tornado of sh#t is gonna stop blowing? More leaks, more damning info? The truth keeps coming out and Trump was caught in a BIG lie.

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Some republicans are finally starting to understand the game; an ongoing naked political power-struggle where no ethics, morals, or norms not immediately advantageous to the subject party are recognized or entertained.

If the leftists feel their power slipping, they will gladly accept this as the new norm rather than see their technocratic, collectivist, authoritarian dreams thwarted. They will run roughshod over individual liberties to achieve their goals.

I hope more people in the middle and on the right come to understand this in terms as stark as it actually is.

The left has been playing this hand for 50 years. They've sickened our government and sickened our culture. They shouldn't be upset when the other side finally starts to catch on.

And like so many posters on this board, and so many people in the country, I have trouble imagining a situation in which I shifted my support from the current administration to the vultures, ghouls, and criminals that oppose it.

Threadbare said:

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John Maplethorpe said:

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Bo Darville said:

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Why have you not taken my bet?

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Oh lawd how many bet challenges? Trump can be hilariously guilty, bungle the cover up, have top aids turn on him, and the Senate will probably still acquit.

This just makes it more uncomfortable for them to do. But there's a wildcard. Does anybody think this tornado of sh#t is gonna stop blowing? More leaks, more damning info? The truth keeps coming out and Trump was caught in a BIG lie.

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Some republicans are finally starting to understand the game; an ongoing naked political power-struggle where no ethics, morals, or norms not immediately advantageous to the subject party are recognized or entertained.

If the leftists feel their power slipping, they will gladly accept this as the new norm rather than see their technocratic, collectivist, authoritarian dreams thwarted. They will run roughshod over individual liberties to achieve their goals.

I hope more people in the middle and on the right come to understand this in terms as stark as it actually is.

The left has been playing this hand for 50 years. They've sickened our government and sickened our culture. They shouldn't be upset when the other side finally starts to catch on.

And like so many posters on this board, and so many people in the country, I have trouble imagining a situation in which I shifted my support from the current administration to the vultures, ghouls, and criminals that oppose it.

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Spot.On.

It is comparable to what have said before --- the Allies played to better standards and ideals, but they were not bound by stricter rules in WW II. They did not start it, but were determined to prevail in it. It was the Allies that went to unrestricted submarine warfare first.

John Maplethorpe said:

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Troutslime said:

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Another nothing burger.

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The "nothing burger" completely changed the dynamics on witnesses and length of the trial.

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Good grief man. I could fart in an envelope and say the fart might have overheard Trump thinking about conducting competent foreign relations and the MSM would run it up the flag pole and pencil neck would bring it to the floor and open it and take a big whiff and proclaim "see!!! We must call the fart in the envelope to the witness stand!"

You people are so desperately unconvincing that you have passed irritating and wandered into hilarious land. Your whole effort is a shameless, pathetic, parasitic joke. I'd even buy you a beer I feel so sorry for you.

Average Guy said:

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titan said:

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Threadbare said:

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John Maplethorpe said:

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Bo Darville said:

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Why have you not taken my bet?

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Oh lawd how many bet challenges? Trump can be hilariously guilty, bungle the cover up, have top aids turn on him, and the Senate will probably still acquit.

This just makes it more uncomfortable for them to do. But there's a wildcard. Does anybody think this tornado of sh#t is gonna stop blowing? More leaks, more damning info? The truth keeps coming out and Trump was caught in a BIG lie.

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Some republicans are finally starting to understand the game; an ongoing naked political power-struggle where no ethics, morals, or norms not immediately advantageous to the subject party are recognized or entertained.

If the leftists feel their power slipping, they will gladly accept this as the new norm rather than see their technocratic, collectivist, authoritarian dreams thwarted. They will run roughshod over individual liberties to achieve their goals.

I hope more people in the middle and on the right come to understand this in terms as stark as it actually is.

The left has been playing this hand for 50 years. They've sickened our government and sickened our culture. They shouldn't be upset when the other side finally starts to catch on.

And like so many posters on this board, and so many people in the country, I have trouble imagining a situation in which I shifted my support from the current administration to the vultures, ghouls, and criminals that oppose it.

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Spot.On.

It is comparable to what have said before --- the Allies played to better standards and ideals, but they were not bound by stricter rules in WW II. They did not start it, but were determined to prevail in it. It was the Allies that went to unrestricted submarine warfare first.

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Didn't that play a role in Donitz's war crimes defense.

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It did indeed. And to the Nuremberg trial's credit, they actually took it into consideration and lessened his sentence. He is lucky he became Chancellor after Goebbels and not earlier because it was obvious his appointment was as a `surrender' position. One that could negotiate it.

TexAgs91 said:

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John Bolton: Democrat stooge

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This is the kind of dynamite insight I come to this forum for! I will update the spreadsheet of RINO's (aka those who have criticized trump in any way, shape, or form per this forum!):

So far it includes:
James Comey
Condoleezsa Rice
George W. Bush
George Bush Sr.
Barbara Bush
Robert Gates
Rex Tillerson
James Mattis
John Kelley
Jeff Sessions
H.R. McMaster
Andrew McCabe
Gary Cohn
Omarosa
Scaramucci
Priebus

I'm just riffing here, I'm probably missing a few. What a bunch of libs...

Many Republicans are controlled by the cabal

It's unfortunate but they are

Bolton is a war mongers

He's pissed trumps not taking us to war.

aggiearcher06 said:

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TexAgs91 said:

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John Bolton: Democrat stooge

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This is the kind of dynamite insight I come to this forum for! I will update the spreadsheet of RINO's (aka those who have criticized trump in any way, shape, or form per this forum!):

So far it includes:
James Comey
Condoleezsa Rice
George W. Bush
George Bush Sr.
Barbara Bush
Robert Gates
Rex Tillerson
James Mattis
John Kelley
Jeff Sessions
H.R. McMaster
Andrew McCabe
Gary Cohn
Omarosa
Scaramucci
Priebus

I'm just riffing here, I'm probably missing a few. What a bunch of libs...

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Most on your list are in no way conservative, for sure. You can add the **** head Mueller, too.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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aggiearcher06 said:

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TexAgs91 said:

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John Bolton: Democrat stooge

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This is the kind of dynamite insight I come to this forum for! I will update the spreadsheet of RINO's (aka those who have criticized trump in any way, shape, or form per this forum!):

So far it includes:
James Comey
Condoleezsa Rice
George W. Bush
George Bush Sr.
Barbara Bush
Robert Gates
Rex Tillerson
James Mattis
John Kelley
Jeff Sessions
H.R. McMaster
Andrew McCabe
Gary Cohn
Omarosa
Scaramucci
Priebus

I'm just riffing here, I'm probably missing a few. What a bunch of libs...

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Most on your list are in no way conservative, for sure. You can add the **** head Mueller, too.

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For Trump fans, it seems like the definition of "conservative" is based entirely on whether or not one is a Trump fan. There seems to be no consideration whatsoever of any philosophy of conservatism.

In reality, populism is not conservatism.

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In reality, populism is not conservatism.

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Eric, I'm always glad you're around to define "reality" for the unread masses.

John Maplethorpe said:

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Bo Darville said:

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Why have you not taken my bet?

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Oh lawd how many bet challenges? Trump can be hilariously guilty, bungle the cover up, have top aids turn on him, and the Senate will probably still acquit.

This just makes it more uncomfortable for them to do. But there's a wildcard. Does anybody think this tornado of sh#t is gonna stop blowing? More leaks, more damning info? The truth keeps coming out and Trump was caught in a BIG lie.

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Not when nobody is watching the "trial" and instead watching Don Lemon insult Trump supporters.

Right now at over 10 million hits.

eric76 said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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aggiearcher06 said:

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TexAgs91 said:

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John Bolton: Democrat stooge

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This is the kind of dynamite insight I come to this forum for! I will update the spreadsheet of RINO's (aka those who have criticized trump in any way, shape, or form per this forum!):

So far it includes:
James Comey
Condoleezsa Rice
George W. Bush
George Bush Sr.
Barbara Bush
Robert Gates
Rex Tillerson
James Mattis
John Kelley
Jeff Sessions
H.R. McMaster
Andrew McCabe
Gary Cohn
Omarosa
Scaramucci
Priebus

I'm just riffing here, I'm probably missing a few. What a bunch of libs...

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Most on your list are in no way conservative, for sure. You can add the **** head Mueller, too.

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For Trump fans, it seems like the definition of "conservative" is based entirely on whether or not one is a Trump fan. There seems to be no consideration whatsoever of any philosophy of conservatism.

In reality, populism is not conservatism.

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Politics is about compromise.

"Conservatism" that's ill-equipped to stand up in the face of leftist demagoguery never delivers anything, conservative or otherwise.

"Conservatism" that makes all the right noises, wins some elections, and never spends an ounce of political capital to actually enact any of its principles, never delivers anything.

Rank and file conservatives (real conservatives) are fed up with both stripes.

Trump is an imperfect standard bearer, but at least he is willing to unapologetically (and frequently militantly) bear the standard. I hope that's contagious.

The bulk of the news media, the education system, the entertainment media, and the metastasizing political and bureaucratic class are arrayed almost uniformly against conservatives.

Champions are where you find them. If it requires a little protectionist populism and doctrinal compromises to win elections, so be it. Better that than the other side, who literally want to destroy the representative republic.

APHIS AG said:

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John Maplethorpe said:

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Bo Darville said:

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Why have you not taken my bet?

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Oh lawd how many bet challenges? Trump can be hilariously guilty, bungle the cover up, have top aids turn on him, and the Senate will probably still acquit.

This just makes it more uncomfortable for them to do. But there's a wildcard. Does anybody think this tornado of sh#t is gonna stop blowing? More leaks, more damning info? The truth keeps coming out and Trump was caught in a BIG lie.

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Not when nobody is watching the "trial" and instead watching Don Lemon insult Trump supporters.

Right now at over 10 million hits.

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That add is gold.

Schu in Mizzou said:

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John Maplethorpe said:

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Troutslime said:

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Another nothing burger.

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The "nothing burger" completely changed the dynamics on witnesses and length of the trial.

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Good grief man. I could fart in an envelope and say the fart might have overheard Trump thinking about conducting competent foreign relations and the MSM would run it up the flag pole and pencil neck would bring it to the floor and open it and take a big whiff and proclaim "see!!! We must call the fart in the envelope to the witness stand!"

You people are so desperately unconvincing that you have passed irritating and wandered into hilarious land. Your whole effort is a shameless, pathetic, parasitic joke. I'd even buy you a beer I feel so sorry for you.

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Every person that works for the president, lifelong Republicans, loyalists, and appointees all corroborate the allegation or have been blocked from testifying.

Trump's primal instinct to lie and the clumsy cover up made this worse than it had to be. "No quid pro quo" is a laughable lie nobody believes now.

"He did it so what?" works much better and doesn't require lying constantly for 5 months.

Now he's put Senate Republicans in a corner. Block witnesses, appear to be part of a cover up, risk slaughter in 9 months. Allow witnesses, more lies get uncovered.

His counsel didn't deny knowledge of the manuscript today. They MUST have known about the contents. Now they risk charges of lying to Congress and additional obstruction articles.

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Your obsession and hate is showing.

Theres zero chance of a senate slaughter with the election 9 months away. McConnell could murder a puppy and it would be forgotten by then.


The fact is, most people just don't care about politics in January.

eric76 said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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aggiearcher06 said:

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TexAgs91 said:

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John Bolton: Democrat stooge

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This is the kind of dynamite insight I come to this forum for! I will update the spreadsheet of RINO's (aka those who have criticized trump in any way, shape, or form per this forum!):

So far it includes:
James Comey
Condoleezsa Rice
George W. Bush
George Bush Sr.
Barbara Bush
Robert Gates
Rex Tillerson
James Mattis
John Kelley
Jeff Sessions
H.R. McMaster
Andrew McCabe
Gary Cohn
Omarosa
Scaramucci
Priebus

I'm just riffing here, I'm probably missing a few. What a bunch of libs...

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Most on your list are in no way conservative, for sure. You can add the **** head Mueller, too.

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For Trump fans, it seems like the definition of "conservative" is based entirely on whether or not one is a Trump fan. There seems to be no consideration whatsoever of any philosophy of conservatism.

In reality, populism is not conservatism.

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Right now it is, because the alternative so abhorrent.

John Maplethorpe said:

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Schu in Mizzou said:

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John Maplethorpe said:

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Troutslime said:

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Another nothing burger.

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The "nothing burger" completely changed the dynamics on witnesses and length of the trial.

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Good grief man. I could fart in an envelope and say the fart might have overheard Trump thinking about conducting competent foreign relations and the MSM would run it up the flag pole and pencil neck would bring it to the floor and open it and take a big whiff and proclaim "see!!! We must call the fart in the envelope to the witness stand!"

You people are so desperately unconvincing that you have passed irritating and wandered into hilarious land. Your whole effort is a shameless, pathetic, parasitic joke. I'd even buy you a beer I feel so sorry for you.

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Every person that works for the president, lifelong Republicans, loyalists, and appointees all corroborate the allegation or have been blocked from testifying.

Trump's primal instinct to lie and the clumsy cover up made this worse than it had to be. "No quid pro quo" is a laughable lie nobody believes now.

"He did it so what?" works much better and doesn't require lying constantly for 5 months.

Now he's put Senate Republicans in a corner. Block witnesses, appear to be part of a cover up, risk slaughter in 9 months. Allow witnesses, more lies get uncovered.

His counsel didn't deny knowledge of the manuscript today. They MUST have known about the contents. Now they risk charges of lying to Congress and additional obstruction articles.

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Trump was correct - the call was perfect and contained no QPQ

Bo Darville said:

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Theres zero chance of a senate slaughter with the election 9 months away. McConnell could murder a puppy and it would be forgotten by then.


The fact is, most people just don't care about politics in January.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_process_against_Richard_Nixon

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1974_United_States_elections

John Maplethorpe said:

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[_] topical intelligent post about the topic
[X] LOL shut up LIB

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The fact that you are still here pontificating means a lot.

Relax for Trump is not going to be removed and will be reelected.

Nobody is watching and as long as the economy and the country hums along, nobody cares except liberals and Democrats.

John Maplethorpe said:

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Bo Darville said:

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Theres zero chance of a senate slaughter with the election 9 months away. McConnell could murder a puppy and it would be forgotten by then.


The fact is, most people just don't care about politics in January.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_process_against_Richard_Nixon

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1974_United_States_elections

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Yep. The media consumption habits and distractions available to the public in 1974 certainly mirror those in 2020.


Jesus Christ dude.

Daddy said:

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Many Republicans are controlled by the cabal

It's unfortunate but they are

Bolton is a war mongers

He's pissed trumps not taking us to war.

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The Queen, the Vatican, the Gettys, the Rothschilds, and Colonel Sanders before he went tits up?

APHIS AG said:

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John Maplethorpe said:

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[_] topical intelligent post about the topic
[X] LOL shut up LIB

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Nobody is watching and as long as the economy and the country hums along, nobody cares except liberals and Democrats.

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John Maplethorpe said:

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Trump was correct - the call was perfect and contained no QPQ

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His lawyers today said it wasn't perfect. But consider the other shady stuff he did 6 months prior and 2 months after when NSC staff weren't translating the call.

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If you could show me that Trump actually was engaging in a quid pro quo, outside the phone call, that would be very disturbing

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Lindsey Graham - October

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I'm going in dry

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-John Bolton - January 2020

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You're being taken for a ride again, just like always. I bet you have a closet full of Sham Wows and Ginsu knives