China Coronavirus Outbreak Spreads; Hundreds Infected As Human-To-Human Transmission

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Ok. Those are longer than i have seen or thought but good to know!

edit: i have just seen Johns Hopkins which mentions mean of 6 days with a range of 2 - 12 but they are way off based on what you are saying....
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Nuclear Scramjet said:

planoaggie123 said:

I am a bit confused on Mardi Gras being to blame...wasnt that a month ago? The people showing up in hospitals now, were they infected by someone who got it at Mardi Gras? Surely this isnt showing up 1 month later in people, right???


The incubation rate can be upwards of 14 to 28 days and then it takes another 6/10 days for you to deteriorate enough for you to need a hospital. It's not that surprising it's taken about a month for the situation to get that bad there.
So should NO and surrounding areas start peaking in the next week or so? If so, and its able to be relatively handled by the healthcare system shouldn't that be a considered a positive sign especially knowing the generally unhealthy population (no offense cajuns)?


Edit to add: so as not to taint the response, maybe a non-Forum 16 poster should ask the Covid board this question and maybe NawlinsAg specifically for his opinion
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Nuclear Scramjet said:



New Orleans is ****ed as bad as NYC. That Mardi Gras event has screwed that city.




Also, just based upon the massive apparent spread in Florida that heat and humidity is doing nothing to slow it down.
My opinion is that heat and humidity help, but only outdoors. Everything is air conditioned now and that protects the virus.

Florida also has the least restrictive social distancing.
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planoaggie123 said:

Ok. Those are longer than i have seen or thought but good to know!

edit: i have just seen Johns Hopkins which mentions mean of 6 days with a range of 2 - 12 but they are way off based on what you are saying....


The John Hopkins numbers are more accurate but there have been many reports of long incubation periods.

Additionally, since you are infectious during the incubation period, it means it can go exponential before anyone notices a big problem. Thus, all of the people infected can spread it around everywhere for days.
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My opinion is that heat and humidity help, but only outdoors. Everything is air conditioned now and that protects the virus.

Florida also has the least restrictive social distancing.
And they got swarmed for Spring Break.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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tysker said:

Nuclear Scramjet said:

planoaggie123 said:

I am a bit confused on Mardi Gras being to blame...wasnt that a month ago? The people showing up in hospitals now, were they infected by someone who got it at Mardi Gras? Surely this isnt showing up 1 month later in people, right???


The incubation rate can be upwards of 14 to 28 days and then it takes another 6/10 days for you to deteriorate enough for you to need a hospital. It's not that surprising it's taken about a month for the situation to get that bad there.
So should NO and surrounding areas start peaking in the next week or so? If so, and its able to be relatively handled by the healthcare system shouldn't that be a considered a positive sign especially knowing the generally unhealthy population (no offense cajuns)?


I don't know, it all depends on how much it has spread. I wouldn't expect a peak for a while. It's going to get pretty bad in areas with a near complete break in containment like this.
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My opinion is that heat and humidity help, but only outdoors. Everything is air conditioned now and that protects the virus.

Florida also has the least restrictive social distancing.
And they got swarmed for Spring Break.


Yeah this why Florida is going to get bad. Spring Breakers carried it everywhere.
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That makes sense.

So its more of what i was thinking...it is most likely not people that were talking the streets that day that are flooding the hospitals but those at work, etc that they likely infected in the days / weeks after....its basically the second wave post Mardi Gras...?
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Good point.
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Nuclear Scramjet said:

Rapier108 said:

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My opinion is that heat and humidity help, but only outdoors. Everything is air conditioned now and that protects the virus.

Florida also has the least restrictive social distancing.
And they got swarmed for Spring Break.


Yeah this why Florida is going to get bad. Spring Breakers carried it everywhere.
Also, they have a ton of people coming there from NYC.

The governor ordered anyone coming from NY/NJ to self quarantine for 14 days. Somehow, I doubt any of them will actually do that.
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yukmonkey said:

A million cases in the US by April 1? What the hell are you guys smoking?

I get how exponential functions work, but this is not a computer simulation.
I missed the post predicting 1M cases by 4/1, but we're currently at 55K US cases and this ******* has organic growth of ~20% per day (that is, not due to increased testing).

In 1 week on April 1st, 200K US cases is entirely plausible. Hopefully NPIs (lockdowns & social distancing) will reduce that number.
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Nuclear Scramjet said:

Rapier108 said:

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My opinion is that heat and humidity help, but only outdoors. Everything is air conditioned now and that protects the virus.

Florida also has the least restrictive social distancing.
And they got swarmed for Spring Break.


Yeah this why Florida is going to get bad. Spring Breakers carried it everywhere.
Plus the exodus from NYC will carry the virus with them to Florida.

You want the country to hate anyone from New York City? Because this is the way you get the country to hate anyone from New York City.
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Well, this and the Yankees.
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aggiehawg said:

Nuclear Scramjet said:

Rapier108 said:

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My opinion is that heat and humidity help, but only outdoors. Everything is air conditioned now and that protects the virus.

Florida also has the least restrictive social distancing.
And they got swarmed for Spring Break.


Yeah this why Florida is going to get bad. Spring Breakers carried it everywhere.
Plus the exodus from NYC will carry the virus with them to Florida.

You want the country to hate anyone from New York City? Because this is the way you get the country to hate anyone from New York City.
That horse left the barn decades ago.
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That horse left the barn decades ago.
Disagree. They had a lot of good will after 9/11 and for some years afterward. And that wasn't affected too much other than the silly Big Gulp and Meatless Mondays and other SJW virtue signalling the last few years. They had buffoons as Mayors after Rudy.

But now they are the modern day equivalent of Typhoid Marys running around the country.
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https://www.fox8live.com/2020/03/24/gov-edwards-mardi-gras-caused-many-cases-coronavirus-new-orleans-area/

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NEW ORLEANS (WVUE) - Governor John Bel Edwards believes that Mardi Gras had a lot to do with the number of coronavirus cases in the New Orleans metro area.

The first confirmed case in the state of Louisiana who tested positive did so 13 days after Fat Tuesday and did so in the New Orleans area, and if you look at how long it takes from exposure and people becoming symptomatic that's the period of time that you are talking about between two and three weeks.

"I happen to believe that people coming from all over the country and over the world that a fair amount of virus was seeded if that's the word," Edwards said. He said the impact of self-isolating will likely take weeks to show up.

With an incubation period of up to two weeks for the virus, many may spread it before they feel symptoms.

The governor explained numbers will continue to rise significantly and the effort to slow the spread of the novel coronavirus will take time to show up.
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Edwards is warning that the New Orleans area could run out of hospital beds by April 4.
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that incubation period is an extreme tail

most people get symptoms in 3-4 days
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cone said:

that incubation period is an extreme tail

most people get symptoms in 3-4 days


Sure, but it must be considered for spreading purposes during a pandemic.
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maybe but not really

R0 isn't being driven by those tail cases
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One thing i was thinking about....why are we not seeing videos in the US similar to what we saw in China? Where people collapse randomly in airports, on trains, etc?

Is it because they had no idea and got that bad or were they fake / old videos?
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planoaggie123 said:

Using the most extreme of that you would be talking last week but i was under the impression the incubation period was average closer to the 5 - 7 days...

Yeah but I think we are forgetting the generation of cases as well.

Mardigras infects dozens of people. 7 days later those people are contageous and infect hundreds of people. 7 days later those hundreds infect the thousand needed to drive a influx into the emergency room about 7-11 days later.

Putting the lag time of those two jumps, plus the incubation and showing of symptoms. Thats probably the timeline.
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Right. So its not the people that were at Mardi Gras currently overwhelming the hospitals...its the people they infected and the people those people infected....

It just seemed like they were saying its the people who walked the streets but those people are done w/ it by now...
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aginlakeway said:

PJYoung said:




"Her test results have still not come back.

Anderson, 40, said what happened to his former girlfriend should be a wake-up call for anyone who still believes COVID-19 isn't as deadly as experts have claimed."
Test came back negative. But they're "highly skeptical" (it was a national news story, after all) so they want to retest.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/25/new-orleans-woman-found-dead-tests-negative-for-coronavirus-but-doctor-skeptical/
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I already posted this on a different thread, so apologies to repeat, but if Louisiana's situation is representative of what happens after Mardi Gras, or the second wave after Mardi Gras, then the spring break waves are probably still 2-4 weeks out.
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North Dallas Forty oz. said:

aginlakeway said:

PJYoung said:




"Her test results have still not come back.

Anderson, 40, said what happened to his former girlfriend should be a wake-up call for anyone who still believes COVID-19 isn't as deadly as experts have claimed."
Test came back negative. But they're "highly skeptical" (it was a national news story, after all) so they want to retest.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/25/new-orleans-woman-found-dead-tests-negative-for-coronavirus-but-doctor-skeptical/
**** the media. The journalist that wrote that POS clickbait article should be led out to pasture.
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what is the false negative rate here?

false positive is one thing, but false negatives are really bad
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Those testing doctors better have a tag or I will raise a bull****t flag.
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planoaggie123 said:

One thing i was thinking about....why are we not seeing videos in the US similar to what we saw in China? Where people collapse randomly in airports, on trains, etc?

Is it because they had no idea and got that bad or were they fake / old videos?
Ah, the random Twitter videos that many were rushing here to post.

Some were confirmed fake, others were old videos like the guy on the bus wearing a mask and coughing up blood. The video was years old and the man had terminal liver cancer.

Others could not be verified to be Kung Flu related.
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That 100% makes sense.

To be honest i am just thinking about my family's risk. We have been isolated in home for 1.5 weeks now. I was the last person out of the house early Saturday AM (and i was working from home starting the Wed before then). We haven't left other than a walk around the neighborhood since then...
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planoaggie123 said:

Right. So its not the people that were at Mardi Gras currently overwhelming the hospitals...its the people they infected and the people those people infected....

It just seemed like they were saying its the people who walked the streets but those people are done w/ it by now...

Yeah but instead of places like washington where patient zero infected 3-4 people. You probably had multiple patient zeros infecting 50 people. Mardi Gras was just the breeding ground making the outbreak so tremendous
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Not arguing the potential multiplier of such events.

I guess i was thinking "man, if these guys got sick 1 month later then we have major issue" but i think its been clarified that these are likely people infected by people that were at mardi gras...
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Italy reports new deaths at 683
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planoaggie123 said:

Not arguing the potential multiplier of such events.

I guess i was thinking "man, if these guys got sick 1 month later then we have major issue" but i think its been clarified that these are likely people infected by people that were at mardi gras...

Gotcha we are in complete agreement!
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TheCougarHunter said:

planoaggie123 said:

I am a bit confused on Mardi Gras being to blame...wasnt that a month ago? The people showing up in hospitals now, were they infected by someone who got it at Mardi Gras? Surely this isnt showing up 1 month later in people, right???
You ever been to Bourbon Street? Coronavirus can probably survive on that surface for years
Or conversely there could be a enough mutated versions of bacteria that gang up on and knock-off the virus.
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