Didn't see it in this thread, but Italy shipped the US 500k Coronavirus testing kits yesterday:

https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2020/03/us-air-force-flew-half-million-coronavirus-test-kits-italy-tennessee/163879/?oref=DefenseOneTCO

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Pentagon spokesman Jonathan Hoffman confirmed the shipment on board an Air National Guard aircraft. The plane carried "swabs" that are used in the COVID-19 testing process, he said during a Wednesday afternoon briefing at the Pentagon.

"There's multiple parts to testing," Air Force Brig. Gen. Dr. Paul Friedrichs, the Joint Staff surgeon, said at the same briefing. "The first is the swabs that are used to collect the sample from the individual who's being tested, then there's a liquid that you put the swab into. That's what composed what we brought over from Italy."

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Pretty cool stuff, but also kinda sad that we're requiring help from Italy of all places.

Edit: Maybe they were just shipped from Italy, and not from the Italians. Can't quite tell from the story.

Mordred said:

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Didn't see it in this thread, but Italy shipped the US 500k Coronavirus testing kits yesterday:

https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2020/03/us-air-force-flew-half-million-coronavirus-test-kits-italy-tennessee/163879/?oref=DefenseOneTCO

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Pentagon spokesman Jonathan Hoffman confirmed the shipment on board an Air National Guard aircraft. The plane carried "swabs" that are used in the COVID-19 testing process, he said during a Wednesday afternoon briefing at the Pentagon.

"There's multiple parts to testing," Air Force Brig. Gen. Dr. Paul Friedrichs, the Joint Staff surgeon, said at the same briefing. "The first is the swabs that are used to collect the sample from the individual who's being tested, then there's a liquid that you put the swab into. That's what composed what we brought over from Italy."

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Pretty cool stuff, but also kinda sad that we're requiring help from Italy of all places.

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People on this thread assured me that Italy was in fact a 3rd world country.

We're also seeing the backlog of results come in. There were two backlogs.

1) Test Kits
2) Labs that could read test kits.

Right now, the gate is opening for #2 and we will see a large spike in positive results.

ham98 said:

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https://www.sfgate.com/coronavirus/article/Italian-town-experiment-coronavirus-testing-Vo-15141033.php

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Crisanti also warned Sky News that, "for every patient that shows symptoms for COVID-19 there were about 10 who don't."

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Are any of those 10 people presymptomatic? i.e. they were tested and then after started showing symptoms?

Third one too, places with sufficient PPE or manpower to safely collect samples. A lot of the labs who stepped up to do testing only had phlebotomists, and local doctors offices didn't have PPE.

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Don't want to read too much into that number. While obviously there's a real spike happening in NY, if you've got flu like symptoms, you're sure as **** gonna see the doctor right now... whereas you might just try and tough it out at home otherwise.

In Houston at a Drive thru testing facility.

We have thousands of labs that could do the tests(most major hospital's in house labs could do them). It's the CDC bureaucracy that has been slow to approve tests that don't meet their "standards." Hell we could have just adopted South Korea's testing protocols but we have to let the CDC pretend like they are a premier institution on disease control when they're really just another money hungry bureaucracy.

k2aggie07 said:

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Third one too, places with sufficient PPE or manpower to safely collect samples. A lot of the labs who stepped up to do testing only had phlebotomists, and local doctors offices didn't have PPE.

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Are they actually doing serology tests with any frequency?

I think we have a vernacular problem. The term "daily infection" suggests that these are new people being infected daily, when in reality, it has to be more likely that these are infections that are discovered in progress, as well as new infections. It's not that 5,000 more people were infected on Wednesday, it's that 5,000 more infections were identified on Wednesday. Consequently, as testing ramps up, it necessarily follows that "daily infections" will increase, revealing that the virus is already widespread.

Or am I misunderstanding what that term means entirely?

Let's say they are able to run and get results for thousands a day.

How are patients notified? Wouldn't that be the 4th bottleneck?

dragmagpuff said:

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ham98 said:

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https://www.sfgate.com/coronavirus/article/Italian-town-experiment-coronavirus-testing-Vo-15141033.php

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Crisanti also warned Sky News that, "for every patient that shows symptoms for COVID-19 there were about 10 who don't."

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Are any of those 10 people presymptomatic? i.e. they were tested and then after started showing symptoms?

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Not sure to be honest but I'm pretty sure that data will be available at some point since they were able to test everyone in their city.

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I think we have a vernacular problem. The term "daily infection" suggests that these are new people being infected daily, when in reality, it has to be more likely that these are infections that are discovered in progress, as well as new infections. It's not that 5,000 more people were infected on Wednesday, it's that 5,000 more infections were identified on Wednesday. Consequently, as testing ramps up, it necessarily follows that "daily infections" will increase, revealing that the virus is already widespread.

Or am I misunderstanding what that term means entirely?

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No one with any accuracy would be using "daily infection" as anything other than a forward looking estimate. "Confirmed Cases" and "new confirmed cases" are what you'd actually call the numbers being reported.

No - the labs that were going to run the test were only equipped to take blood samples, and the CDC kit required a swab, so the labs said - send us a sample and we'll test it. Then people said ok where do I go to get tested? And there was a collective shrug.

You're right, it's correctly: confirmed cases. But if we're testing the same way consistently (big if) it should track daily new cases closely (at a delay - actually at a ~5 day delay for onset of symptoms).

k2aggie07 said:

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No - the labs that were going to run the test were only equipped to take blood samples, and the CDC kit required a swab, so the labs said - send us a sample and we'll test it. Then people said ok where do I go to get tested? And there was a collective shrug.

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Right, that was my understanding, but your wording confused me. Thanks for confirming.

https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=%21AFXZUrmB71If%2DWc&cid=9F7F9FAA89A2B669&id=9F7F9FAA89A2B669%2168579&parId=9F7F9FAA89A2B669%2168578&o=OneUp

Wish we had it by zip code. Or better yet geodata. Its 2020 guys, cmon. Where's my freaking heat map?

Cases per million?

New York is 0.1576 per 1000, doesn't sound serious yet.

k2aggie07 said:

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Wish we had it by zip code. Or better yet geodata. Its 2020 guys, cmon. Where's my freaking heat map?

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HIPAA. If we didn't have it we could have the cool South Korean coronovirus tracking app.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/wildly-popular-coronavirus-tracker-app-helps-south-koreans-steer-clear-of-outbreak-areas-2020-03-18

by county? https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/

Here is a map I like

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1a04iBi41DznkMaQRnICO40ktROfnMfMx&ll=35.25643538446262%2C-93.0444537064667&z=4

k2aggie07 said:

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Wish we had it by zip code. Or better yet geodata. Its 2020 guys, cmon. Where's my freaking heat map?

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I stand corrected. Wow, check this one out its perfect!!

Why does he do this?

Trump: Its a hoax.
WHO: No its not.

Trump: It's the flu
CDC: No its not.

Trump: Vaccine in 3 mos.
Industry: No.

Trump: Whoever wants a test can get it.
Pence: No they cant.

Trump: Theres a medicine to treat it.
FDA: No there isnt.

PJYoung said:

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https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=%21AFXZUrmB71If%2DWc&cid=9F7F9FAA89A2B669&id=9F7F9FAA89A2B669%2168579&parId=9F7F9FAA89A2B669%2168578&o=OneUp

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This seems so irrelevant when most people kick it test. I've had a fever for six days now and I've been very fatigued but my doctor says they'll have a test to give me so I don't really know if I have it or not. There are a lot of people in my situation right now

k2aggie07 said:

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k2aggie07 said:

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Wish we had it by zip code. Or better yet geodata. Its 2020 guys, cmon. Where's my freaking heat map?

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I stand corrected. Wow, check this one out its perfect!!

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I used to like you. Now you just suck.

Who cares that our president is the main person communicating vital information about a pandemic and he can't get basic facts right?

k2aggie07 said:

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k2aggie07 said:

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Wish we had it by zip code. Or better yet geodata. Its 2020 guys, cmon. Where's my freaking heat map?

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I stand corrected. Wow, check this one out its perfect!!

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Trump just said it was approved at the press conference by FDA. What am I missing?

It's been approved for other treatments by the FDA. They are splitting hairs.

Lots of people who aren't executives here. Executives deal in real outcomes and not constructionist arguments. Trump was saying they have a lot of history with the drug and knows how it will behave, that a lot of people are taking it and they know what the side effects are.

This is the same "lol. Google isn't fighting coronavirus a company they bought is fighting coronavirus it isn't the same"