China Coronavirus Outbreak Spreads; Hundreds Infected As Human-To-Human Transmission

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UncoverAg00 said:

Calm = don't panic and think civilization will end

Rational = understanding that mitigating spread is essential to avoid unnecessary problems, and to do so it can't business as usual... it requires people to keep some distance... if & when we can. Refusing to acknowledge this point I would argue is irrational. Understanding of how epidemics work and how to control them is quintessential modern medicine.

Amen.
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Whiskey Jacket said:

Test or no test, there are already millions of people who have it. A big majority will never even know they had it.
Can you provide a source?
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smango05 said:

Cuomo is speaking again. Actually thanks Pence and Trump.

Maybe he has the virus, too.


CA and NY governors both thanking Pence and Trump for the jobs they've done.

Nice to see partisan politics do not always carry the day.
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DTP02 said:

smango05 said:

Cuomo is speaking again. Actually thanks Pence and Trump.

Maybe he has the virus, too.


CA and NY governors both thanking Pence and Trump for the jobs they've done.

Nice to see partisan politics do not always carry the day.


I thought his entire talk was very reasonable and sound advice. Need more people saying those things.
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VaultingChemist said:

Whiskey Jacket said:

Test or no test, there are already millions of people who have it. A big majority will never even know they had it.
Can you provide a source?
I'm going to assume I already had it about a month and half ago. Had all the symptoms of the flu but tested negative and still sent home with Tamiflu. So that makes me the first person on TA to beat COVID-19.
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Who thought Cuomo and Newsom would be saying the things they are about Trump and Pence.

Really puts the bull**** from Nancy, Schumer, Biden, and Bernie into perspective.
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cone said:

Trump has more one shot at this. Will he basically say we are going to a wartime footing?

Because I think that would perversely calm everyone down.

Treat it like a war because it feels like a war.


Really? War?

And nothing is going to calm you and the panic patrol down.

Feels is part of the problem.

This is a mild novel virus rolling around. As is the case during flu season, and really anytime for that matter, practice good hygiene and go about your life.

If you are 70+, isolate yourself for a while and take extra precautions.
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barnyard1996 said:

cone said:

Trump has more one shot at this. Will he basically say we are going to a wartime footing?

Because I think that would perversely calm everyone down.

Treat it like a war because it feels like a war.
Treat it like an idiot post, because this feels like an idiot post.


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https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

I encourage everyone to read that. SIAP.
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bring her some tea to sip on.
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themissinglink said:


NYC seems to be becoming Italy 2.0 for where people in other parts of the US are getting the virus.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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Is FM radio playing more R.E.M. lately, or would that be to un-PC?
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More deaths than recoveries in Italy today. Trying to wrap my head around that one. Not good news...

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Agsrback12 said:

cone said:

Trump has more one shot at this. Will he basically say we are going to a wartime footing?

Because I think that would perversely calm everyone down.

Treat it like a war because it feels like a war.


Really? War?

And nothing is going to calm you and the panic patrol down.

Feels is part of the problem.

This is a mild novel virus rolling around. As is the case during flu season, and really anytime for that matter, practice good hygiene and go about your life.

If you are 70+, isolate yourself for a while and take extra precautions.


You know included in the definition of 80% cases are mild is pneumonia, right?
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KorbinDallas said:

More deaths than recoveries in Italy today. Trying to wrap my head around that one. Not good news...


Recovery takes longer than death. As the number of cases explode, this discrepancy will grow. When it turns back over the other way, that will be a good sign that it is under control IMO
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would not want to be near NYC for the next month
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Tailgate88 said:

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

I encourage everyone to read that. SIAP.


This graph is where the value is. Basically, Europe is now totally ****ed. And USA is about to be where Europe is now, but with immediate end of social gathering we can manage it.
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KorbinDallas said:

More deaths than recoveries in Italy today. Trying to wrap my head around that one. Not good news...


As has been discussed on this thread many times, people being declared "recovered" usually takes much longer than those who die. It varies country to country because each one has its own standard for who is declared recovered.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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PJYoung said:

Agsrback12 said:

cone said:

Trump has more one shot at this. Will he basically say we are going to a wartime footing?

Because I think that would perversely calm everyone down.

Treat it like a war because it feels like a war.


Really? War?

And nothing is going to calm you and the panic patrol down.

Feels is part of the problem.

This is a mild novel virus rolling around. As is the case during flu season, and really anytime for that matter, practice good hygiene and go about your life.

If you are 70+, isolate yourself for a while and take extra precautions.


You know included in the definition of 80% cases are mild is pneumonia, right?

Just ignore him. Look at his post history. He has been downplaying this since Day 1 and continues to move the goalposts as to it's severity. He's dug in, so no sense in responding.
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well that makes total sense though

they are in the middle of an epidemic and the criteria (it seems) to recover is more stringent than i feel a lot better

there are still 364 active cases on the cruise. 32 serious (per worldometer). how many of those do you think will recover (or would be described as recovered based on visual assessment)? it's been 3-4 weeks.
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Tailgate88 said:

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

I encourage everyone to read that. SIAP.
Excellent read. Thanks for sharing this.

Wish everyone would read, but know they won't.
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PJYoung said:


CNN Tapper talking out his ass, and doing his job of trying to cause even more panic and hysteria.

There is a case in Galveston which is directly linked to a case in Montgomery County, the one person they don't know how he got it (but he was tested anyway) as was the person in Galveston. The person from Galveston is one of the two cases announced earlier in Austin which is where she was when she got sick.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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DTP02 said:

CDub06 said:

Wow. I was wrong. No statewide school closure. My info came from an elected official that was on the TEA call with Abbott yesterday. I was told they recommended the closure yesterday but Abbott just said the administration would be working with school districts directly to help make local determinations.


These decisions should be made locally. The resources and infection rates are all local.
I don't disagree. No sense in cancelling school in Levelland because of cases in Galveston. I was just surprised based on what I'd learned yesterday.
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Rapier108 said:

PJYoung said:


CNN Tapper talking out his ass, and doing his job of trying to cause even more panic and hysteria.

There is a case in Galveston which is directly linked to a case in Montgomery County, the one person they don't know how he got it (but he was tested anyway) as was the person in Galveston.

Not sure why you're citing one case as if it dismisses what he is saying.

The theme of the past few weeks is that people who need to be tested haven't been tested.

It has been a systemic problem for the United States and has cost us our precious head start on containing the virus.
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All that tells us is Texas is now testing people without direct contact of known cases. Reportedly that isn't the case everywhere. Test screening criteria is being set at local levels.
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PJYoung said:




You know included in the definition of 80% cases are mild is pneumonia, right?
Do you know if the breakdown of that 80% is available? I'm just wondering what percentage has mild pneumonia.

I keep reading that mild doesn't mean what we think it means, but I am curious what the actual breakdown is.
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Quote:

Do you know if the breakdown of that 80% is available? I'm just wondering what percentage has mild pneumonia.

I keep reading that mild doesn't mean what we think it means, but I am curious what the actual breakdown is.
I have not been able to find that.
Edit - screwed this all up. Ignore this post.
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PJYoung said:


i generally agree with this

this first wave is going to be panic-filled and distressing

we're going to really stress out our economy trying to flatten the peak and buy time

i think the subsequent waves will be less disruptive and more geared on older people basically having to shelter in place for a month until the wave clears (while the younger people take social distancing measures and we test and contract trace to shorten the peak).

the thing about this is that younger people can get the virus, generally be okay, get high quality med attention and survive and THEN BUILD THE HERD IMMUNITY

we can't do this thing where we all coop up forever because not enough people get infected in a wave without triggering a quarantine

i think it's going to be two years of disruption that dampens over time. maybe less with medical breakthroughs.

but it stands to reason if the HC infrastructure can't handle the severe cases and the majority of the severe ICU cases are over 60 and people over 60 aren't the majority of the working population, then at some point we have to tell them to stay home and that we'll take care of them, make sure they are fed, but they need to stay put and stay away from other people for a long while.
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I see your point that recovery takes longer, but I don't t recall seeing where there were more deaths than recoveries in any other country.
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TexAgs91 said:

TurkeyBaconLeg said:

Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Page now shows the US death total dropped from 40 to 33?

I wonder if they determined that some of the deaths was not from Coronavirus?




There are no cases in Texas, Oregon or Florida. What's up with that?
That sites been buggy as heck recently. I like the map and features, but this website's been the best place to get good numbers all along: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
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Proposition Joe said:

PJYoung said:

Agsrback12 said:

cone said:

Trump has more one shot at this. Will he basically say we are going to a wartime footing?

Because I think that would perversely calm everyone down.

Treat it like a war because it feels like a war.


Really? War?

And nothing is going to calm you and the panic patrol down.

Feels is part of the problem.

This is a mild novel virus rolling around. As is the case during flu season, and really anytime for that matter, practice good hygiene and go about your life.

If you are 70+, isolate yourself for a while and take extra precautions.


You know included in the definition of 80% cases are mild is pneumonia, right?

Just ignore him. Look at his post history. He has been downplaying this since Day 1 and continues to move the goalposts as to it's severity. He's dug in, so no sense in responding.

Cone is just as bad the other way. Calling it a war ffs.
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