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We won't even be able to keep pace with Italy in terms of treating patients.

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Ridiculous.

we ARE NOT and WILL NOT get anywhere near close to maxing out beds, even in hard hit areas like Seattle or (potentially) NYC.

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Because America?

I have no idea why you think facts don't apply over here like they do in Italy.

Our ICU capacity is greater by far but in a few weeks you will see hospital tent cities popping up all over this great land to deal with this very real outbreak.

The cognitive dissonance is amazing. Suddenly Italy is a 3rd world country in some peoples mind because what is happening there could never happen here. Just because.

If and when hospitals get overwhelmed, is there anything the average dumbass citizen can do to help them, such as volunteering or donating?

If they run out of ventilator machines, can volunteers help do it manually, like in power outages?

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Not possible. Trump and the CDC aren't allowing testing. /Democrats /Hysterics /Virus Cheerleaders

PJYoung said:

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C@LAg said:

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Shanked Punt said:

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We won't even be able to keep pace with Italy in terms of treating patients.

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Ridiculous.

we ARE NOT and WILL NOT get anywhere near close to maxing out beds, even in hard hit areas like Seattle or (potentially) NYC.

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Because America?

I have no idea why you think facts don't apply over here like they do in Italy.

Our ICU capacity is greater by far but in a few weeks you will see hospital tent cities popping up all over this great land to deal with this very real outbreak.

The cognitive dissonance is amazing. Suddenly Italy is a 3rd world country in some peoples mind because what is happening there could never happen here. Just because.

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Sure it can. Socialize all medicine and let the government run the system.

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Austinites must be tarded. We have plenty just a few miles outside of the city.

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I am 46 years old and am shocked daily at just how stupid the collective population of Austin is. Sad really.

I'll take this Premium poster's view over your hysteria.

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Having provided healthcare in Italy via US Military Medicine in several locations I can provide a bit of information that might be useful for several reasons.

Italy - like other European countries - provides "socialized medicine" - which is limited to whatever the Italian government chooses to appropriate. As a result the healthcare system in Italy is grossly inadequate to begin with for many reasons - and most frequently limited and restricted based on funds available. During good times it is not uncommon to wait for months to see a provider for "normal" healthcare requirements - albeit rationed based on funds available.

There are far more M.D.'s than there are positions available and thus the Docs that have a position often have a group of other unemployed but interested Docs who have no position but who are trying to stay "available" following on their coattails. For instance, I have visited many Italian hospitals where it looks like care is being given by groups of 12-20 docs but only one is employed.

To follow, basic daily support such as clean linens, food, emptying soiled containers and cleaning for reuse, sitting nearby to call for help is needed as few nurses and often no nurse call is otherwise available.
Multiply this scenario across the entire country and you get an idea of the level of healthcare available during the good times let alone during this pandemic circumstance.

Furthermore, IF a patient is on a government waiting list but able to pay directly for care, he/she can usually be seen same day or soon thereafter by the same docs, in the same facility - after 4 PM in the afternoon and until usually 8PM or so. Those who really have serious health issues and can afford it will travel to the US (or Ireland yes that's what I said) to get their healthcare at places like Texas Medical Center/Methodist/MD Anderson, Johns-Hopkins, Cleveland Clinic, Mayo, etc.

So, you can imagine when a "pandemic" like the ongoing CoronaVirus hits what happens! It ain't pretty - and most of the world including Europe, the UK, the Middle East, Africa, Far East, even Canada, etc - any country under socialized medicine is having the same recurring problem. Not enough facilities, not enough providers, not enough funds - and "panic" is the result.

I am not saying the USA is free of worry - by any means! I'm just saying we are much better prepared than any other nation in the world to address and hopefully contain this situation. With the numbers that some forecasters are talking, even the US will not be able to house everyone - but we will be a lot better off than any other country in the world...

And that's one of the main reasons that "socialized" medicine is folly!! Especially in the USA where we are used to the best.

As a parallel, you know Germany used to laugh at the USA when we had 55 MPH speed limits. They said they would never reduce the quality of their vehicles to just meet the lower limits - and by golly they didn't and their vehicles typically are top of the line today. The US should heed that for our magnificent healthcare system.
Unfortunately Germany has socialized medicine and has the same situation described above in Italy for healthcare.

The US must not under any circumstance fall into that socialized medicine trap...
Or we will all be paying over 50% personal income tax to try to achieve rationed care based on congressional appropriations like the rest of the world And then where would be go to receive better care even for those who have the $$?

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Hey forum 16.

I have been talking with some sources back in China there's been a consistent rumor that those who are seriously ill in the initial outbreak in Wuhan are still in the ICU (~50% of those hospitalized).

If anyone has data from ICU numbers admitted in SK/Japan/US/etc we might be able to debunk that.

SchizoAg said:

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If and when hospitals get overwhelmed, is there anything the average dumbass citizen can do to help them, such as volunteering or donating?

If they run out of ventilator machines, can volunteers help do it manually, like in power outages?

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Yes.

The best thing you can do is stay the eff home.

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Hey forum 16.

I have been talking with some sources back in China there's been a consistent rumor that those who are seriously ill in the initial outbreak in Wuhan are still in the ICU (~50% of those hospitalized).

If anyone has data from ICU numbers admitted in SK/Japan/US/etc we might be able to debunk that.

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user name does not check out?

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If I was an erudite on everything I would tell you that to cure wuhan flu you need to go kung flu fighting with benzene or something.

PJYoung said:

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C@LAg said:

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Shanked Punt said:

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We won't even be able to keep pace with Italy in terms of treating patients.

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Ridiculous.

we ARE NOT and WILL NOT get anywhere near close to maxing out beds, even in hard hit areas like Seattle or (potentially) NYC.

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Because America?

I have no idea why you think facts don't apply over here like they do in Italy.

Our ICU capacity is greater by far but in a few weeks you will see hospital tent cities popping up all over this great land to deal with this very real outbreak.

The cognitive dissonance is amazing. Suddenly Italy is a 3rd world country in some peoples mind because what is happening there could never happen here. Just because.

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This may happen but you may have inadvertently proven our superiority over other countries. If this gets that bad, you will see people start pitching in to help in whatever way that means. It won't be acceptable to watch old people die in a hallway. If we get to that point, you will at least see volunteers escorting them to the next life meaning they will be by their side.

I'm thinking about HOU during the hurricane. And maybe this will just happen in Texas. But, if this gets that bad people are going to wade into the fray.

The idea that our ICUs are not gonna be overrun with sick patients is laughably naive. I can guarantee you that most ICUs on a daily basis are running at max or near max capacity from a day to day basis. This is without incidents like coronavirus. There are obviously highs and lows with capacity, but at this time of year, ICUs are staying full.

All it will take is another couple of weeks of this outbreak and there will be plenty of evidence to show that our hospital systems are not prepared for pandemics.

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Not possible. Trump and the CDC aren't allowing testing. /Democrats /Hysterics /Virus Cheerleaders

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You do realize that Washington has been leading the way in testing because they're circumventing the CDC?

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The idea that our ICUs are not gonna be overrun with sick patients is laughably naive. I can guarantee you that most ICUs on a daily basis are running at max or near max capacity from a day to day basis. This is without incidents like coronavirus. There are obviously highs and lows with capacity, but at this time of year, ICUs are staying full.

All it will take is another couple of weeks of this outbreak and there will be plenty of evidence to show that our hospital systems are not prepared for pandemics.

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why is that don't the majority of people that get this just ride it out at home?

Please elaborate? That is interesting.

The comments on this thread...I'm disappointed that so many Aggies have joined 'freaked out' club

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The comments on this thread...I'm disappointed that so many Aggies have joined 'freaked out' club

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ha! you new to this thread we got it all, waste management plants shutting down, ICU beds overrun, supply chain disruption welcome to the party!

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Please elaborate? That is interesting.

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There have been several stories on the slow play by the CDC and the fact that early tests didn't work. UW was able to rollout their tests without certification by the CDC because they're a research institution. I'll see if I can pull up one of those articles.

I do agree that at this point testing isn't going to reverse this thing. It might help stop the spread and aid quarantine. We needed this capability nationwide at the onset

Campin RV section, TP ain't been touched

Your welcome

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Fact: for the rest of us that don't live in over-populated ****holes, it's not too late.

AnScAggie said:

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PJYoung said:

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C@LAg said:

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Shanked Punt said:

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We won't even be able to keep pace with Italy in terms of treating patients.

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Ridiculous.

we ARE NOT and WILL NOT get anywhere near close to maxing out beds, even in hard hit areas like Seattle or (potentially) NYC.

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Because America?

I have no idea why you think facts don't apply over here like they do in Italy.

Our ICU capacity is greater by far but in a few weeks you will see hospital tent cities popping up all over this great land to deal with this very real outbreak.

The cognitive dissonance is amazing. Suddenly Italy is a 3rd world country in some peoples mind because what is happening there could never happen here. Just because.

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Sure it can. Socialize all medicine and let the government run the system.

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I LOL'D

Here's one. Not exactly what I was looking for, but details the excruciating process: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/10/us/coronavirus-testing-delays.html