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So the fed is going to print money and pay people not to work???? Jim Cramer reporting.

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Indeed they are.

So the state (AL) refused to test my pt (see my post last night) for COVID-19 because "he didn't meet criteria". Our ID doc agreed with me. Their criteria are travel to China, Italy etc or exposure to a known infected patient. That's why we don't have cases here. Scary.

I just don't know why we are bothering with this "presumptive" language then. Warranted or not, the panic has set in. Yesterday with all the cancellations marked a point of no return. I seriously think that if we are going to go down this path, we should just assume everyone is infected or will be infected and shut down the country.

Stop messing around with testing and treat the worst cases and let the rest of us survive off of our own immune systems the best we can.

That is what is going to happen anyway.

Marcus Aurelius said:

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So the state (AL) refused to test my pt (see my post last night) for COVID-19 because "he didn't meet criteria". Our ID doc agreed with me. Their criteria are travel to China, Italy etc or exposure to a known infected patient. That's why we don't have cases here. Scary.

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Forgive my ignorance, but if a lab or hospital has the equipment and materials to run the test, why can they not just do so? Why does the state or cdc get involved in the decision to test?

FriscoKid said:

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So the fed is going to print money and pay people not to work???? Jim Cramer reporting.

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If push comes to shove that's exactly what they will have to do. Worst case we end up where Italy is. All businesses shut down. Those workers (mostly blue collar) live paycheck to paycheck. If they aren't working they have no income stream. So you find a way to keep their income in place. I would imagine if it comes to it that debt service might be temporarily suspended.

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If you are reckless and go about your business as if you don't give AF, and you end up giving to some older people and cause them max pain when you know better - you'll have to live with that.

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There will be people exposing the elderly with the best of intentions in mind. How many people are going to use all this free time to visit and check in on older family members when staying at home and isolating the elderly is the prudent choice. People being reckless when they think they are helping bothers me because the potential elderly victim cant doesn't the process. The elderly and unhealthy need to be even more prudent in their daily choices.

Welcome to AL. Our hospital doesn't have the test kit.

This woman in Seattle had COVID-19. What I find fascinating - she and several others that had all been at a party, got sick and thought they may have it. But physicians wouldn't do the test since they didnt have a dry cough, one of the symptoms. She did an end run to get tested and was positive.

Extent of her illness was two days of mild flu.

https://news.yahoo.com/dont-panic-says-us-woman-recovered-coronavirus-055155667.html

Federal travel policies bought us a few weeks extra time. The CDC testing protocols and defective testing kits have squandered a couple of those weeks.

Washington state should have been doing contract tracing and quarantines on the first U.S. case there.

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This woman in Seattle had COVID-19. What I find fascinating - she and several others that had all been at a party, got sick and thought they may have it. But physicians wouldn't do the test since they didnt have a dry cough, one of the symptoms. She did an end run to get tested and was positive.

Extent of her illness was two days of mild flu.

https://news.yahoo.com/dont-panic-says-us-woman-recovered-coronavirus-055155667.html

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I'm still on the ACE-2 receptor train. Some folks have more of it genetically and some from lifestyle (smoking). That's where the virus really thrives in the lower lungs and gets bad.

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Looks like the grocery store for toilet papet

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No different than the toilet paper aisle at your local walmart.

Agreed and I think you have a proper response. I wish it was being stated as clearly by leadership and the media. I guess they don't want to admit there's no stopping this and the measures being taken, as crappy as they may seem, are simply stopgaps to reduce short and medium term spread.

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I just don't know why we are bothering with this "presumptive" language then. Warranted or not, the panic has set in. Yesterday with all the cancellations marked a point of no return. I seriously think that if we are going to go down this path, we should just assume everyone is infected or will be infected and shut down the country.

Stop messing around with testing and treat the worst cases and let the rest of us survive off of our own immune systems the best we can.

That is what is going to happen anyway.

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It's a common term in the medical word.

On the payment side, you'll even have workers at hospitals screen people for presumptive eligibility of Medicaid. These workers are qualified and trained and can deem someone with "presumptive eligibility" if they meet the requirements and accounts payable will act on that. But the person isn't officially on Medicaid until TMHP approves them.

Same thing here. Qualified people are running certified tests to see if patients are positive for COVID-19. If they are, they act on it. But the CDC has to "certify" the case before it's official.

This presumptive eligibility is much better than sitting around, waiting for the govt to make the initial decision.

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Washington state should have been doing contract tracing and quarantines on the first U.S. case there.

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From an article yesterday about the genetic tracing of the outbreak, they did attempt to find everyone he had been in contact with. The theory is they missed a few and he infected just 1 or 2 others which is why it didn't blow up rapidly like Italy where patient zero infected dozens if not hundreds in a short period of time.

The doctor also said there could have been another person who came to the area at the same time from China, which would have meant he would have been infected with a virtually identical virus and that is who spread it, but because it didn't blow up rapidly, he is convinced that the known case from China is responsible for the outbreak in Washington.

So is this going to be a recession or worse?

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This is scary to see how we are reacting to a mild virus. The next legitimate virus is going to end our soft nation.

We should be isolating our vulnerable. Not quarantining our healthy. This panic (shutting down the economy) is going to do way more damage to everyone than the virus would have.

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While I dont agree with first part I do generally agree with the second.
If we fall into a major recession and the wheels fall off, all those retirees arent going to like the outcome of their IRAs or 401ks for the next decade. As I said before, its a double whammy for the over 65 crowd.

can you paste his post for the lolpoors? I can't imagine mods would mind that moving it outside the paywall

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I just don't know why we are bothering with this "presumptive" language then. Warranted or not, the panic has set in. Yesterday with all the cancellations marked a point of no return. I seriously think that if we are going to go down this path, we should just assume everyone is infected or will be infected and shut down the country.

Stop messing around with testing and treat the worst cases and let the rest of us survive off of our own immune systems the best we can.

That is what is going to happen anyway.

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Again, for the 1,000th time, the efforts are to flatten the infection curve, not prevent it. Letting it run wild unabated is the worst thing we can do.

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So is this going to be a recession or worse?

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Probably ...

I think we are a few weeks from being up **** creek for a year, maybe more.

Marcus Aurelius said:

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Welcome to AL. Our hospital doesn't have the test kit.

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If it did physically have the test kit, would you then be able to get tests for people you decided needed tested regardless of State or CDC guidelines?

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Agsrback12 said:

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This is scary to see how we are reacting to a mild virus. The next legitimate virus is going to end our soft nation.

We should be isolating our vulnerable. Not quarantining our healthy. This panic (shutting down the economy) is going to do way more damage to everyone than the virus would have.

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Why do you think you know what to do better than the people who actually study this?

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97% of climate experts agree humans are causing global warming


But seriously, isolating and quarantining decisions are coming from politicians, business people and leaders with consultation from people who study this. The science is a concern but there are mitigating factors for each business, municipalities etc that have to be considered. The fact such high level organizations (SXSW, NBA, colleges and ISDs) have started makes the decision "easier" for others.

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I haven't caught up on this thread in 3 hours which is a lifetime I know but have we seen this?

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Hoiberg does have a heart condition as well

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Turned out to be the regular flu.

From the comments:

@RobinWashut

I'm just surprised it took him that long. I've looked like that since the riverside game.

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Washington state should have been doing contract tracing and quarantines on the first U.S. case there.

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From an article yesterday about the genetic tracing of the outbreak, they did attempt to find everyone he had been in contact with. The theory is they missed a few and he infected just 1 or 2 others which is why it didn't blow up rapidly like Italy where patient zero infected dozens if not hundreds in a short period of time.

The doctor also said there could have been another person who came to the area at the same time from China, which would have meant he would have been infected with a virtually identical virus and that is who spread it, but because it didn't blow up rapidly, he is convinced that the known case from China is responsible for the outbreak in Washington.

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How did the local health department miss the numerous cases prior to the nursing home outbreak? I presume they were just screening those who traveled from China that developed pneumonia.

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Are you alluding to a run on the banks?

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Do what you want. Two weeks ago no one thought the NBA season would be suspended and TP would be flying of the shelves.

IMO Nothing wrong with having some cash on hand. You can always deposit it back in your account once this passes.

But again do what you feel is best for you and yours.

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Washington state should have been doing contract tracing and quarantines on the first U.S. case there.

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From an article yesterday about the genetic tracing of the outbreak, they did attempt to find everyone he had been in contact with. The theory is they missed a few and he infected just 1 or 2 others which is why it didn't blow up rapidly like Italy where patient zero infected dozens if not hundreds in a short period of time.

The doctor also said there could have been another person who came to the area at the same time from China, which would have meant he would have been infected with a virtually identical virus and that is who spread it, but because it didn't blow up rapidly, he is convinced that the known case from China is responsible for the outbreak in Washington.

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How did the local health department miss the numerous cases prior to the nursing home outbreak? I presume they were just screening those who traveled from China that developed pneumonia.

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That would be the assumption; the article didn't say.

Perhaps few if any of the cases presented with anything other than mild symptoms so no one even gave it a second thought.

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So what are you guys telling someone that says it's just the flu?

I have friends and family that swear this is all overreaction and hype.

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It is just the flu, unless you are above the age of 60 or have conditions that increase your risk.

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If you are reckless and go about your business as if you don't give AF, and you end up giving to some older people and cause them max pain when you know better - you'll have to live with that. And trust me, everyone thinks they are some ****ing hero bullet proof person but it'll hit home if you don't need to be doing something - catch it then spread it to some elderly. A lot of our old folks are veterans that served this country or our are parents - laying low for a bit, not shaking hands, not traveling - it's basic bs - if you can afford to do it.

This is a code red - look at the world response.

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Staying calm in this situation is just as important as washing your hands. Your post supports hysteria: "Everyone else is freaking out about witches, it must be the end of the world".

Evaluate the situation. Young workers are probably better off continuing to keep society running while at risk populations quarantine themselves. People in areas with confirmed cases should take higher precautions, up to full shut down of activities.

Encouraging hysteria is just as irresponsible and dangerous.

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Are you alluding to a run on the banks?

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Do what you want. Two weeks ago no one thought the NBA season would be suspended and TP would be flying of the shelves.

IMO Nothing wrong with having some cash on hand. You can always deposit it back in your account once this passes.

But again do what you feel is best for you and yours.

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Honest question, do people like you and cone actually work? Htf do you post every 2 minutes on this thread?

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How did the local health department miss the numerous cases prior to the nursing home outbreak? I presume they were just screening those who traveled from China that developed pneumonia.

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Person might have gotten sick, 3-7 days of 102 fever with a cough, got over it and moved on with their life.

That's going to be the case for probably the vast majority of infections.

Good news from Iran:

Gilan was among the hardest hit.