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this thing was brewing long before the big spike in sick elderly patients.

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100%

so how long has it been brewing in Seattle?

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Wondering if the Nascar Cup race in Fort Worth will get canceled or postponed. It is still scheduled for 3-29
100K+ crowd.

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Not be a smart a**, but has Nascar seen a crowd that large in the last 10 years?

I agree though, will be interesting to see what they do. That is one sport that you can easily go on with out fans. I would be less worried about the crowds than I would the pits. It takes a lot of people to put on a race and they are all in close proximity.

From John's Hopkins University:
Coronavirus
Global Cases: +115,000
Global Deaths: +4,028
USA Cases: +755
USA Deaths: +26

From CDC
USA Deaths so far 2020(General influenza): ~28,000

Things that make you go hmmm.

I appreciate your insight and would love for you to post more, if you don't mind. I am curious though, just based on the reported numbers do you really think these reports are based on mismanagement versus actual case load?

Asia Times said yesterday that South Korea only has only tested 190,000 so far and has a max capacity of 20,000 a day. That doesn't sound like what I read here. The also note that South Korea (7,500) as almost as many cases as Italy (9,100). Aren't those two countries 2nd and 3rd just after China in number of infections? Isn't the big story out of South Korea not few cases but the Way lower than panic expected 0.7% mortality rate?

Yea know, probably not as big as the past. Last race I was at was 10 years ago. I think they had over 150K that day. Crowds have definitely tapered off. I would worry about all the camping and less than sanitary conditions in the area.

What advice would you give to someone who works in an office with a confirmed case? Company management is not handling it well and the state health dept is no where to be seen. Their boss has confirmed there are quarantines coming for those who interacted with the patient though.

We are in Silicon Valley. Hubby and I are retired and almost 60. We both have asthma and he has hypertension. We have 2 adult children living with us.

We are trying to fix up our house to sell.

I"m beginning to think we should put our plans on hold and bug out of the Bay area and go some place remote.

We both love the outdoors, so we would probably have fun.

Lots to think about right now.

i would say the story is that although SoKo had (until recently) as many cases as Italy, they haven't had the same sort of system collapse outbreak

and you could at least partially attribute that to uncovering the whole of the iceberg via aggressive testing (and telling those people to stay home, regardless of symptoms)

so while SoKo is a success for now, Italy should show again (after Wuhan) how quickly this thing can get away from you if you don't take early mitigation precautions (and hygiene alone likely isn't enough).

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We are in Silicon Valley. Hubby and I are retired and almost 60. We both have asthma and he has hypertension. We have 2 adult children living with us.

We are trying to fix up our house to sell.

I"m beginning to think we should put our plans on hold and bug out of the Bay area and go some place remote.

We both love the outdoors, so we would probably have fun.

Lots to think about right now.

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Join the caravans to Salt Lake or Boise. You both need to be somewhere close to good medical facilities, however and your tolerance for cold weather would factor in.

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i don't know if this is true, but if it is holy ****

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Well documented and true.

Local provincial leaders held this to show things were fine, no outbreak locally.

Idiots.

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From John's Hopkins University:
Coronavirus
Global Cases: +115,000
Global Deaths: +4,028
USA Cases: +755
USA Deaths: +26

From CDC
USA Deaths so far 2020(General influenza): ~28,000

Things that make you go hmmm.

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We're at the end of flu season, whereas we're just starting coronavirus season.

Exponential growth is not our friend.

For perspective, CDC is projecting that by end of May (if not sooner), we will run out of ICU beds in the entirety of the United States due to this.

GarlandAg2012 said:

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What advice would you give to someone who works in an office with a confirmed case? Company management is not handling it well and the state health dept is no where to be seen. Their boss has confirmed there are quarantines coming for those who interacted with the patient though.

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Leave.

We'll revisit this in May.

Side note, I noticed a subtle shift yesterday with the WH press conference. The administration's starting to hang this around China's neck.

Trump said something like 'America was rolling along, and now we've been hit with this and it's due to no fault of our own.'

Now you're seeing Congressional leaders referring to this as Wuhan flu (and the leftist hack media calling that 'racist').

It appears the administration is headed down the path of this being China's fault (rightly so).

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Asia Times said yesterday that South Korea only has only tested 190,000 so far and has a max capacity of 20,000 a day. That doesn't sound like what I read here. The also note that South Korea (7,500) as almost as many cases as Italy (9,100). Aren't those two countries 2nd and 3rd just after China in number of infections? Isn't the big story out of South Korea not few cases but the Way lower than panic expected 0.7% mortality rate?

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The numbers out of Korea highlight, in my opinion, exactly what many western countries are doing wrong.

They aggressively test, we minimally test. They are testing 190k to find 8k positive. We are testing 2,000 and finding 500 positive. They are casting a wide net, we have been only testing those who traveled or contacted a traveler. Two completely different strategies. We will have to wait and see what levels off faster, obviously the Italian model isn't working to stop spread.

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Side note, I noticed a subtle shift yesterday with the WH press conference. The administration's starting to hang this around China's neck.

Trump said something like 'America was rolling along, and now we've been hit with this and it's due to no fault of our own.'

Now you're seeing Congressional leaders referring to this as Wuhan flu (and the leftist hack media calling that 'racist').

It appears the administration is headed down the path of this being China's fault (rightly so).

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turn the world against China and their predilection for eating weird sh*t, and force them to buy more American agricultural products, b/c they can't be trusted with their own food safety.

GarlandAg2012 said:

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What advice would you give to someone who works in an office with a confirmed case? Company management is not handling it well and the state health dept is no where to be seen. Their boss has confirmed there are quarantines coming for those who interacted with the patient though.

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Where do you work? In Garland?

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houag80 said:

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From John's Hopkins University:
Coronavirus
Global Cases: +115,000
Global Deaths: +4,028
USA Cases: +755
USA Deaths: +26

From CDC
USA Deaths so far 2020(General influenza): ~28,000

Things that make you go hmmm.

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We're at the end of flu season, whereas we're just starting coronavirus season.

Exponential growth is not our friend.

For perspective, CDC is projecting that by end of May (if not sooner), we will run out of ICU beds in the entirety of the United States due to this.

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How do we know what "coronavirus season is".

How do we know that this didn't start towards the end of the habitable conditions?


I'm no microbiologist. I've seen reports that cases will dwindle as we warm up, as conditions are not as favorable for replication and survival of the virus.

No, this is a friend out of state

Totally insane that the LA Marathon was not cancelled and was held last Saturday. In a normal year, it has 25,000 runners, 200k-300k spectators. Haven't heard yet if turnout was lower this year.

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Haha - is someone arguing with an ID doctor because he read something different on the Internet?

TexAgs.com at its best!

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Yes, I am. The contact I am referring to is a long time standing member of a firearm related website. He is personally known to many members, as he has attended gatherings. He's provided daily updated for about a month now.

The implication that Italy was caught flatfooted with full beds is simply incorrect. They cleared out Icu, cancelled or rescheduled non-critical procedures and were standing ready when the cases started coming in.

Good news he relates. The utilities are functioning fine. No food issues. The populace is taking things in stride,all things considered.

houag80 said:

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We'll revisit this in May.

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oh I hope they are wrong. The alternative, as we're seeing in Italy, is ugly.

yep

we'll see how funny it is when you have a fiance whose dress isn't being delivered in time for her wedding.

I frankly don't remember when swine flu hit the US. I was living overseas. But the numbers I see on swine flu were over 20k infections and over 1000 dead before anyone reacted 6 months later. If that is the case, why all the hysteria on the medical system being overwhelmed so quickly here with Wuhan virus? If it reached this level without anyone really noticing; it would seem the system has plenty of capacity to handle a substantial outbreak on the order of what hit China (comparatively; we are ~1/4 - 1.5 the size of CH). Is our system less capable now than it was 10 years ago? Obama-care impact?

i think Japan shows a middle way (although the SK path would be most preferable)

the key is to close the schools and shut down public gatherings early, far ahead of what the public thinks is necessary

swimmerbabe11 said:

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we'll see how funny it is when you have a fiance whose dress isn't being delivered in time for her wedding.

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Could be a blessing in disguise for some poor chap.

japantiger said:

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I frankly don't remember when swine flu hit the US. I was living overseas. But the numbers I see on swine flu were over 20k infections and over 1000 dead before anyone reacted 6 months later. If that is the case, why all the hysteria on the medical system being overwhelmed so quickly here with Wuhan virus? If it reached this level without anyone really noticing; it would seem the system has plenty of capacity to handle a substantial outbreak on the order of what hit China (comparatively; we are ~1/4 - 1.5 the size of CH). Is our system less capable now than it was 10 years ago? Obama-care impact?

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They're not the same thing.

The issue is those that contract a sever case spend weeks in the ICU. That ties up expensive resources that the flu doesn't. The longer a patient is in the hospital being treated the more exposure hospital staff has to contract the disease as well. That's the fear. Hospital and healthcare resources being tied up and going down sick.

japantiger said:

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I frankly don't remember when swine flu hit the US. I was living overseas. But the numbers I see on swine flu were over 20k infections and over 1000 dead before anyone reacted 6 months later. If that is the case, why all the hysteria on the medical system being overwhelmed so quickly here with Wuhan virus? If it reached this level without anyone really noticing; it would seem the system has plenty of capacity to handle a substantial outbreak on the order of what hit China (comparatively; we are ~1/4 - 1.5 the size of CH). Is our system less capable now than it was 10 years ago? Obama-care impact?

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Their concern is the massive amounts of people who might potentially need hospitalization first (overwhelming the system) and second the number of fatalities among vulnerable populations. Think elderly and homeless folks. The triage would be a nightmare for medical staff, or so I have been told by people tasked with doing it.

Can someone post that link with the live update of cases and what not across the world. Colleague was asking for it.

TIA

Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)

IrishTxAggie said:

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Can someone post that link with the live update of cases and what not across the world. Colleague was asking for it.

TIA

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https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/