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Let's just not test people so we don't have any #s to report like the rooskies.

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You wink, but that seems to be a sizable part of the apparent management strategy.

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scottimus said:

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So who will be the first TexAgs poster to get this?

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Probably the guy that wanted to have a pox party to get the Corona before the hospitals were razed to the ground.

Privatize all schools and bring discipline back to schools. Don't like school? Great, gtfo and go fend for yourself.

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Privatize all schools and bring discipline back to schools. Don't like school? Great, gtfo and go fend for yourself.

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WrongThreadRyan, is that you?

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Italy had a jerk symptomatic pakistani migrant working in both a restaurant preparing and handling food for hundreds daily and also delivering Chinese at night. He refused to self quarantine.

Yes, that could/will happen here too (gotta love our cultural enrichment of 3rd world muslims; thanks Obama) but let's not pretend it was just a massive spread through the air without some help.

https://summit.news/2020/03/05/coronavirus-patient-zero-in-italy-was-pakistani-migrant-who-refused-to-self-isolate/

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So Muslims are the only selfish/ignorant/*******s now?

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There are stories from all over the world of people not self-quarantining due to ignorance (didn't know they had it or should have been isolation) or selfishness (ignoring self-quarantine orders) but let's only blame the muslims.

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Check the rest of the thread.

Anytime a report comes out about some asshat going out while sick, they get just as much criticism.

However, Muslims seem to be taking the stupidity to the next level such as thousands of people licking an idol or whatever the heck it is in Iran.

Then there is that asshat lawyer in New York who might have infected 1000+ people.

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I'll gladly blame the Iranian's idiotic group behaviors for their problems. But I'm not going to blame groups of people and Obama because 1 person from one group someone doesn't like didn't self-quarantine.

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I've been several pages behind and just caught up. I have determined that we are all either really f^cked or this is nothing. Zero consensus here which doesn't surprise me.

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It is almost certainly in the middle. A serious issue that is going to medically affect a relatively small percentage of people, but is going to do some notable damage to the economy and probably affect most people in small or significant ways in the pocketbook and by altering their travel plans and shopping behaviors over the next few months.

No doubt social media, including message board sites like this one, are helping stir up the 'panic' level. Let's face it, if you are sitting on TexAgs Politics board for example checking this thread multiple times a day, plus watching the news and what not...sure, you'll probably drive yourself into a 'panic' mode eventually. And that is simply one of the dynamics now in the internet age with something like this, we have infinite ways to feed our need for more information.

Regardless of how this plays out, I guarantee everybody's taxes are still going to be due April 15th. Don't think civilization is going to come to such an end that you won't have to file your income taxes.

Honestly, it would be best for the entire population if one of our key statesmen got it - they would flip their script instead of acting like it's everyone else's problem.

Kudlow is up there saying they are testing folks coming in, etc. 4 weeks later and I'm still reading that folks are just walking in country some of which beg for tests and can't get it. The women at the health care facility on video - people are terrified I am sick of listening to these politicians pasting over this is no big deal and keep caring on like it's fine.

dragmagpuff said:

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/south-korea-tested-140-000-031000719.html

So in South Korea they have tested 140,000 people for Coronavirus and found ~6,500 cases. Of those 6,500 cases, they have 135 recoveries and 42 deaths so far. Due to their massive testing program, they have to be finding a higher percentage of the cases than elsewhere.

So there the actual death rate is at least 0.6% (6 times higher than flu), but likely higher as the other ~6,300 cases resolve. Recoveries should lag deaths as you die before you would have recovered. As reported elsewhere, most of their deaths are in the older population.

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Mortality rate is difficult to estimate in the middle of a pandemic.

total deaths/total recovered = 23%
total deaths/total confirmed cases = 0.06%
Neither one is accurate, but in all likelihood the mortality rate is > 1.5%. Unless there are the "thousands of mild cases" that are never tested for and never recorded, that some are claiming.

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For those keeping track, worldwide daily cases confirmed remains around 3k for the last few days (most are outside of China now).

Daily deaths are around 100.

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dragmagpuff said:

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dragmagpuff said:

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Italy had a jerk symptomatic pakistani migrant working in both a restaurant preparing and handling food for hundreds daily and also delivering Chinese at night. He refused to self quarantine.

Yes, that could/will happen here too (gotta love our cultural enrichment of 3rd world muslims; thanks Obama) but let's not pretend it was just a massive spread through the air without some help.

https://summit.news/2020/03/05/coronavirus-patient-zero-in-italy-was-pakistani-migrant-who-refused-to-self-isolate/

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So Muslims are the only selfish/ignorant/*******s now?

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There are stories from all over the world of people not self-quarantining due to ignorance (didn't know they had it or should have been isolation) or selfishness (ignoring self-quarantine orders) but let's only blame the muslims.

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Check the rest of the thread.

Anytime a report comes out about some asshat going out while sick, they get just as much criticism.

However, Muslims seem to be taking the stupidity to the next level such as thousands of people licking an idol or whatever the heck it is in Iran.

Then there is that asshat lawyer in New York who might have infected 1000+ people.

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I'll gladly blame the Iranian's idiotic group behaviors for their problems. But I'm not going to blame groups of people and Obama because 1 person from one group someone doesn't like didn't self-quarantine.

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Well that's just great of you, but wholly off point in respect to my post. It's not like moslems are a problem in any other facet of the modern world, or our own US Congress. Meanwhile, I was asked to explain the Italian outbreak; I did, with a link. Don't like it all you want, but that's the cause.

And yes, we've brought a crap ton of them into this country thanks to Obama, so I give him full credit on it. I remain convinced they are not in the top half of "sanitary practices" in this country. Disagree if you feel like it, it's a message board.

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The person at the CDC tested negative.

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/trending/coronavirus-live-updates-cases-top-100000-globally/CYL4I5DJXBHDJEPHXUMB6V3JYU/?fbclid=IwAR3fVb2_HqCCiM1yq779iX36lu-l5deiHguCmpMSCfIU48A0ZHdA8b9UGKs

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/president-trump-no-longer-scheduled-tour-cdc-atlanta-today/T6N3D4BJHVD4PL734DBIYZPFDY/

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YouBet said:

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I've been several pages behind and just caught up. I have determined that we are all either really f^cked or this is nothing. Zero consensus here which doesn't surprise me.

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It is almost certainly in the middle. A serious issue that is going to medically affect a relatively small percentage of people, but is going to do some notable damage to the economy and probably affect most people in small or significant ways in the pocketbook and by altering their travel plans and shopping behaviors over the next few months.

No doubt social media, including message board sites like this one, are helping stir up the 'panic' level. Let's face it, if you are sitting on TexAgs Politics board for example checking this thread multiple times a day, plus watching the news and what not...sure, you'll probably drive yourself into a 'panic' mode eventually. And that is simply one of the dynamics now in the internet age with something like this, we have infinite ways to feed our need for more information.

Regardless of how this plays out, I guarantee everybody's taxes are still going to be due April 15th. Don't think civilization is going to come to such an end that you won't have to file your income taxes.

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I agree.

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Chinese doctors say coronavirus 'like a combination of SARS and AIDS', can cause irreversible lung damage

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Chinese doctors say autopsies of coronavirus victims suggest the deadly illness is "like a combination of SARS and AIDS" that can cause "irreversible" lung damage even if the patient recovers.

The grim finding was reported on by Communist Party mouthpiece the Global Times on Friday, after a paper by Wuhan doctors published in the Journal of Forensic Medicine earlier in the week went viral on Chinese social media.

"The influence of COVID-19 on the human body is like a combination of SARS and AIDS as it damages both the lungs and immune systems," Peng Zhiyong, director of the intensive care unit of the Zhongnan Hospital of Wuhan University in Wuhan, told the Global Times.

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More info in the article

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The article just regurgitates key words over and over (SARS, AIDS), being as sensational as possible while speaking in generalities. Then they finalky provide a specific detail that is supposed to justify the crap that they are slinging. Here is the key detail...

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Pulmonary fibrosis is permanent scarring of the lung tissue that can leave the patient chronically out of breath. The paper described an autopsy conducted on an 85-year-old man. It said there was apparent damage to the patient's lungs.

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That's right. An autopsy on an 85 year old showed signs of fibrosis in the lungs!! 85 years old. Living in the most polluted country on earth. Where the air will literally burn your lungs and eyes on a periodic basis just walking around your neighborhood. Yeah.... that guy... the 85 year old who died from complications of the flu... had lung damage. Give me a break.

Journalists pumping the virus like Trump fake news.

San Jose Preschool Teacher Tests Positive For Covid-19

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A San Jose preschool teacher has tested positive for the novel coronavirus, the school administration announced Thursday.
The Action Day Primary Plus administration learned that a teacher at the Moorpark facility tested positive for COVID-19.
The teacher has not returned to work since Feb. 26 and is receiving medical care.
The Moorpark facility has been closed for the remainder of the week to conduct a deep cleaning.

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Now we understand why they are putting up tents around a hospital in that area.

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So, is the microbiologist contaminated because I keep reading that masks are useless to stop intake and are for stopping spread by the contaminated.

These are the kinds of questions people are asking because of all the contrarian information out there.

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So, is the microbiologist contaminated because I keep reading that masks are useless to stop intake and are for stopping spread by the contaminated.

These are the kinds of questions people are asking because of all the contrarian information out there.

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Regular face masks (paper/cloth) aren't really useful. They are designed to keep the wearer from sending droplets out into the air and onto others. They're not anywhere close to air tight, and they allow way too much through to really be effective.

The N/P/R95 or N/P/R100 are better, but still not 100% as a virus can still get through due to its small size.

100% protection means something designed for a NBC environment, or something which is positive pressure around your face.

F* China. They have been dealing with this for 75 days or so. Have they told the truth regarding anything? Its all about saving face while the global eco crashes. MERS and SAR should have provided a frame work to see what first cousin Covid-19 is all about. Nope still a bunch of conflicting data of mutations, AIDS like characteristics the wreck the lungs and all the while the magnificent CCP has the rate of new infection going way down while the rest of the world skyrockets--- what BS. That doesn't pass a basic smell test.

China should have been totally transparent in early January. F* them

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2020/mar/06/joe-biden-bernie-sanders-2020-presidential-election-trump-coronavirus-live-updates?page=with:block-5e6260228f085f0b8d943710#block-5e6260228f085f0b8d943710

sigh.

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"It will go away," he said. "We have very low numbers [of confirmed cases] compared to many countries throughout the world, our numbers are lower than almost anyone...deaths, is it 11?" It is.

"In terms of cases, it's very very few because we have been very strong at the borders."

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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So who will be the first TexAgs poster to get this?

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Honestly,

I think I already had it and recovered.

Got a lot of Chinese students in my department and a few in my lab from Wuhan....

All of my kids got a terrible "flu" home for a week. We all coughed but nothing major.

Sure, those masks may not be 100% effective. However, wearing no mask is 0% effective. The effectiveness of a mask is somewhere in between, though that value is much greater than 0%.

New study on how the virus spreads in a hospital room.
Full article

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Patient A's room was sampled on days 4 and 10 of illness while the patient was still symptomatic, after routine cleaning. All samples were negative. Patient B was symptomatic on day 8 and asymptomatic on day 11 of illness; samples taken on these 2 days after routine cleaning were negative (Table 1).
Patient C, whose samples were collected before routine cleaning, had positive results, with 13 (87%) of 15 room sites (including air outlet fans) and 3 (60%) of 5 toilet sites (toilet bowl, sink, and door handle) returning positive results (Table 2). Anteroom and corridor samples were negative. Patient C had upper respiratory tract involvement with no pneumonia and had 2 positive stool samples for SARS-CoV-2 on RT-PCR despite not having diarrhea.
Patient C had greater viral shedding, with a cycle threshold value of 25.69 in nasopharyngeal samples compared with 31.31 and 35.33 in patients A and B (Table 1).
Only 1 PPE swab, from the surface of a shoe front, was positive. All other PPE swabs were negative. All air samples were negative.

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There was extensive environmental contamination by 1 SARS-CoV-2 patient with mild upper respiratory tract involvement. Toilet bowl and sink samples were positive, suggesting that viral shedding in stool5 could be a potential route of transmission. Postcleaning samples were negative, suggesting that current decontamination measures are sufficient.

Air samples were negative despite the extent of environmental contamination. Swabs taken from the air exhaust outlets tested positive, suggesting that small virus-laden droplets may be displaced by airflows and deposited on equipment such as vents. The positive PPE sample was unsurprising because shoe covers are not part of PPE recommendations. The risk of transmission from contaminated footwear is likely low, as evidenced by negative results in the anteroom and clean corridor.

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This study seems to indicate that transmission is primarily through droplets, which masks will be effective in stopping. Social distancing would also be effective.

CDub06 said:

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2020/mar/06/joe-biden-bernie-sanders-2020-presidential-election-trump-coronavirus-live-updates?page=with:block-5e6260228f085f0b8d943710#block-5e6260228f085f0b8d943710

sigh.

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"It will go away," he said. "We have very low numbers [of confirmed cases] compared to many countries throughout the world, our numbers are lower than almost anyone...deaths, is it 11?" It is.

"In terms of cases, it's very very few because we have been very strong at the borders."

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Contains the proper name 'Guardian'. Did not open. Would not believe a proven leftwing rag that is not worthy of wiping down a contaminated phone.

CDub06 said:

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2020/mar/06/joe-biden-bernie-sanders-2020-presidential-election-trump-coronavirus-live-updates?page=with:block-5e6260228f085f0b8d943710#block-5e6260228f085f0b8d943710

sigh.

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"It will go away," he said. "We have very low numbers [of confirmed cases] compared to many countries throughout the world, our numbers are lower than almost anyone...deaths, is it 11?" It is.

"In terms of cases, it's very very few because we have been very strong at the borders."

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I am MAGA as it gets but if this **** blows up he is going to look like a completely incompetent fool and will lose reelection.

[DIDN'T YOU POST THE SAME THING ON THIS THREAD 2 DAYS AGO? I AM STARTING TO THINK THAT YOU ARE TROLLING. -STAFF]

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4 million tests by the end of next week.

Just a couple of weeks late.......

Pumpkinhead said:

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I've been several pages behind and just caught up. I have determined that we are all either really f^cked or this is nothing. Zero consensus here which doesn't surprise me.

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It is almost certainly in the middle. A serious issue that is going to medically affect a relatively small percentage of people, but is going to do some notable damage to the economy and probably affect most people in small or significant ways in the pocketbook and by altering their travel plans and shopping behaviors over the next few months.

No doubt social media, including message board sites like this one, are helping stir up the 'panic' level. Let's face it, if you are sitting on TexAgs Politics board for example checking this thread multiple times a day, plus watching the news and what not...sure, you'll probably drive yourself into a 'panic' mode eventually. And that is simply one of the dynamics now in the internet age with something like this, we have infinite ways to feed our need for more information.

Regardless of how this plays out, I guarantee everybody's taxes are still going to be due April 15th. Don't think civilization is going to come to such an end that you won't have to file your income taxes.

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Social media + 24 hrs news cycle. The constant reporting stock market losses and the long shopping lines only incites more bunkering. As a society we're much more knowledgeable and have a greater scope of worldwide events and of our interconnectedness but also we appreciate how very uneducated we are about about self-sufficiency.

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F* China. They have been dealing with this for 75 days or so. Have they told the truth regarding anything? Its all about saving face while the global eco crashes. MERS and SAR should have provided a frame work to see what first cousin Covid-19 is all about. Nope still a bunch of conflicting data of mutations, AIDS like characteristics the wreck the lungs and all the while the magnificent CCP has the rate of new infection going way down while the rest of the world skyrockets--- what BS. That doesn't pass a basic smell test.

China should have been totally transparent in early January. F* them

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If China told the truth now, there would be mayhem. Think what is going on now in SF by a factor of 10.

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Sure, those masks may not be 100% effective. However, wearing no mask is 0% effective. The effectiveness of a mask is somewhere in between, though that value is much greater than 0%.

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Rationalizing hysteria is side effect of hysteria

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Sure, those masks may not be 100% effective. However, wearing no mask is 0% effective. The effectiveness of a mask is somewhere in between, though that value is much greater than 0%.

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Rationalizing hysteria is side effect of hysteria.

Shanked Punt said:

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Sure, those masks may not be 100% effective. However, wearing no mask is 0% effective. The effectiveness of a mask is somewhere in between, though that value is much greater than 0%.

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Actually, it's almost certainly not unless the wearer is supremely disciplined. Wearing a mask is an open invitation to constantly adjust it or to scratch an itch and the very last thing anyone needs to be doing is touching their face.

Mayo Clinic on masks

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"Most people who do not work in a health care setting have not received training on how to put on and take off the masks properly. Doing this incorrectly can actually increase your risk of infection. Also, people who are wearing masks tend to touch their face more than those who are not, which can paradoxically result in an increased risk of infection as well," says Dr. Rajapakse.

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