I Have Spoken said:

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A few things really going for us in this whole deal:

1) Americans are fairly clean / germ-aware
2) We live spread out relative to other countries
3) We value personal space to the point where many Americans are isolated from their own communities even

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INTROVERT FOR THE MOTHA F'N WIN!!

Way too much logic for some on here

IrishTxAggie said:

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INTROVERT FOR THE MOTHA F'N WIN!!

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My biggest problem right now is my wife is not an introvert, and I'm too weak to say no to the sex.

bmks270 said:

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Survival rate > 99% for working ages people.
Lights won't go out.
Faucets won't dry up.

Business will slow from people isolating themselves and not traveling, work from home, and a wave of sick leave, but society will be pretty normal otherwise, except maybe for healthcare and hospitality workers and some school closings.

Unless the virus hospitalized you or a loved one, there isn't anything to fear. Economic collapse and societal break down is not likely.

Seriously stop the fear mongering. The best thing we can do to mitigate catastrophe is reduce gatherings of people and traveling, but otherwise go about business.

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My retirement plans are to retire the day I turn 100.

So I consider anything up to 100 to be "working age".

I Have Spoken said:

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Israelis create vaccine but then won't provide it to Iran... what are the chances?

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I would not blame it at all. No soup for you!

Emotional Support Cobra said:

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I Have Spoken said:

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Israelis create vaccine but then won't provide it to Iran... what are the chances?

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I would not blame it at all. No soup for you!

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Iranian regime already denied their people humanitarian aid from other countries. Now is the time that the Iranian people should move and move swiftly because they may not get a better chance considering this thing appears to be amongst the regime ranks.

IrishTxAggie said:

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I Have Spoken said:

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A few things really going for us in this whole deal:

1) Americans are fairly clean / germ-aware
2) We live spread out relative to other countries
3) We value personal space to the point where many Americans are isolated from their own communities even

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INTROVERT FOR THE MOTHA F'N WIN!!

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I knew my life choices would pay off one day.

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Mr.Infectious said:

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European banks and markets were already in the ****ter. The COVID-19 just gave them a little push.

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check the dates again? Feb 17th they looked great.

About a vaccine. The Baylor College of Medicine was working on a vaccine for SARS for years, and everything is still in storage at the Center for Vaccine Development at Texas Children's Hospital.

Now, obviously SARS and the Kung Flu are two different viruses, but they are both coronaviruses and similar in many ways. The SARS vaccine might not work on the Kung Flu, but it could easily provide a much quicker roadmap to a vaccine, especially if they've already done a lot of the initial testing on animals.

https://abc13.com/health/potential-coronavirus-vaccine-tucked-away-in-houston-freezer/5988295/

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For anyone who wants to know, the person had known contact with a diagnosed case in the US so it is not a randomly appearing case.

I'd bet it is probably Washington related like the ones in North Carolina, Nevada, and I think at least one other location.

https://www.9news.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/colorado-has-first-case-of-coronavirus-covid-19/73-3d2f21d8-7969-45bc-b172-a6b0d1a1516f

I don't understand how Israel and other countries can say they are about to produce a vaccine and the US says 12-18 months.

Mac94 said:

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https://www.kxan.com/news/coronavirus/aph-says-at-least-one-being-tested-for-coronavirus-in-travis-co-risk-is-low-for-spread/

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APH says at least one being tested for coronavirus in Travis Co., 'risk is low' for spread

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Dr. Escott said when APH has confirmed cases, they will share more details. The samples being tested have been sent to a Center for Disease Control and Prevention facility in Atlanta. Results are expected to be known within 24 hours, Dr. Escott said.

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Longest 24 hours EVER!!!

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OldArmy71 said:

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I don't understand how Israel and other countries can say they are about to produce a vaccine and the US says 12-18 months.

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Because they don't have to worry about being sued out the ying yang for faulty vaccines. Or they're full of *****

OldArmy71 said:

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I don't understand how Israel and other countries can say they are about to produce a vaccine and the US says 12-18 months.

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Government red tape. Aka FDA.

OldArmy71 said:

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I don't understand how Israel and other countries can say they are about to produce a vaccine and the US says 12-18 months.

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They don't have to follow our FDA protocol. Ultimately, I wonder if Trump could/would use an executive order to fast track after a successful P1 and P2 instead of waiting for a P3 trial.

Because they're probably not.

bmks270 said:

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Survival rate > 99% for working ages people.
Lights won't go out.
Faucets won't dry up.

Business will slow from people isolating themselves and not traveling, work from home, and a wave of sick leave, but society will be pretty normal otherwise, except maybe for healthcare and hospitality workers and some school closings.

Unless the virus hospitalized you or a loved one, there isn't anything to fear. Economic collapse and societal break down is not likely.

Seriously stop the fear mongering. The best thing we can do to mitigate catastrophe is reduce gatherings of people and traveling, but otherwise go about business.

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One problem with this is there's a wide gap between no impact and death.

Yes, 99% of working age wont die, but 20% of them will be hospitalized for several weeks and more will be quarantined.

If you cut the work force by 20%, there will be supply chain shortages that will have ripple effects throughout the economy.

This wont lead to societal collapse, but it bring about major societal changes. A good comparison is the type of changes that came about after the Spanish Flu.

OldArmy71 said:

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I don't understand how Israel and other countries can say they are about to produce a vaccine and the US says 12-18 months.

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All depends on how many steps they are willing to skip.

The 12-18 months has a lot to do with government regulations regarding vaccines.

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Because they're probably not.

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What makes you think they're not? The Jews reported on a promising vaccine ready in 90 days last week.

I asked a question earlier and I don't think it was answered... and it's related to the fact that the vaccine won't be public ready without approval for a while. If a person were about to die, why wouldn't using a vaccine that's still in testing be a bad idea? They're gonna die anyways... is it too late for a vaccine to work? If not, why not allow someone to take the risk? Basically, why not use these things as a last ditch effort?

Giving the vaccine to someone that is already ill from the virus won't work.

Concise and too the point answer. Thanks.

Because have a vaccine that works in a lab is not the end of the process. You have to do trials. People are using a lot of different timelines as to when they have a vaccine. Until there's tens or hundreds of millions of units being rolled out, there's no vaccine. That's not happening in 90 days.

bmks270 said:

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Survival rate > 99% for working ages people.
Lights won't go out.
Faucets won't dry up.

Business will slow from people isolating themselves and not traveling, work from home, and a wave of sick leave, but society will be pretty normal otherwise, except maybe for healthcare and hospitality workers and some school closings.

Unless the virus hospitalized you or a loved one, there isn't anything to fear. Economic collapse and societal break down is not likely.

Seriously stop the fear mongering. The best thing we can do to mitigate catastrophe is reduce gatherings of people and traveling, but otherwise go about business.

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I agree. I ordered a second monitor for my house and have a docking station coming.

I'm in the fuel supply business and even if home quarantined this won't stop me from doing my job at all.

May make it a little less efficient, but honest even that delay will be minimal.

Follow up question... if I were to ask what the average time it takes a healthy person to develop an appropriate immune response when given a vaccine, can that question be answered or is it too variable based on the virus?

I Have Spoken said:

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IrishTxAggie said:

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INTROVERT FOR THE MOTHA F'N WIN!!

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My biggest problem right now is my wife is not an introvert, and I'm too weak to say no to the sex.

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Rule 1

For the flu it's a couple of weeks.

Thanks.

But the countries saying they can/will have it don't follow the US FDA protocols. If their country's governing body of pharma certifies the vaccine in 90 days, they've got a vaccine then.

Thank goodness we've shut down our borders to stop the spread!

Does the US government have the authority currently to mandate quantitative or restrict US citizens from returning to the country based only on their travel history? I'm guessing not but we should absolutely be screening people for symptoms. With the $8B congress just authorized it seems like we could test all citizens returning from outbreak areas upon arrival.

You still have to do clinical trials of some kind. Those aren't 30 day kind of things.

Read this.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vaccine/607000/