Mr.Infectious said:

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This is another side to the story we'll need to think about.

Where do the bailouts start and end?

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The health care stocks got a huge boost because their worries about Bernie and socialized healthcare concerns were eased with the Biden wins

cone said:

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this is probably going to cost us a trillion dollars to deal with when it's all said and done

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A trillion dollars may be spent. But who is that costing? Its just going back into the economy.

cone said:

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no what?

no you won't stop attending mass gatherings even if other countries show it saves lives?

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I have Pearl Jam tickets in April. B-man and I have a trip planned to STL for this.

You can skip everything. But no, we do not need to shut down everything because you are scared.

March Madness, NCAA track and field, Opening day for baseball?

There is no reason to shut this down at this point

broken glass fallacy

it's not productive

SVaggie84 said:

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Well, it looks like social distancing is beginning for me and the hubby. According to Santa Clara County over 50 is higher risk. We both also have asthma and hubby has hypertension.

This is from the Santa Clara County website:

Who is at higher risk?

Information about risk factors for COVID-19 infection is evolving, but the best evidence currently available makes clear that risk of severe illness begins to increase at age 50 for those who contract COVID-19, and increases with age (i.e., an 80-year-old person is at greater risk than a 70-year-old person). The highest risk group are persons age 80 and over.

Persons with underlying medical problems also are likely at higher risk for severe disease, including persons with cardiovascular disease, diabetes, cancer, heart disease, or chronic lung diseases like COPD, as well as those who are immunocompromised.

What should I do if I am at higher risk?

The County Public Health Department is recommending that persons at higher risk avoid mass gatherings such as parades, sporting events, and concerts where large numbers of people are within arm's length of one another. This would not include typical office environments, grocery stores, or shopping centers, where it is unusual for large numbers of people to be within arm's length of one another.

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So....If the deciding factor is people being within arms length of one another...

When you are sitting in a stadium seat, how many people are really sitting that close to you? (Arms length)

But, somehow offices, grocery stores and shopping centers are different? You walk by people at mass events and you walk by people in the office, grocery store and shopping mall. You have to stand in lines just about in any place.

I don't really think mass events and other events are really that different. There are only so many people you can sit next to or walk by within arms length. If I am in section 20 row 2, I am not getting the CoronaVirus from the guy sitting in row 20.

Am I wrong?

Mr.Infectious said:

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When did he propose this? Link?

Dude, just check out Gregory Mannarino's tweets. He's a hack. Shame on Mr. Infectious for bringing trash to the thread.

https://traderschoice.net/

Powered By Gregory Mannarino, The Robin Hood Of Wall Street. Everything You Need To RIP THIS MARKETS FACE OFF For FREE!

Is Gregory Mannarino a registered broker, you ask? Nope.

It's March 4th

It took two weeks for Italy to go from first deaths to shutting down all schools and having soccer games in front of empty stadiums. Same timeline for Japan generally. so project the state of American cities in April.

luckily, these decisions won't be left to the consumer.

it's a bummer but that's going to be the cost of saving lives in a global pandemic that will kill the old and vulnerable. we should accept that cost willingly IMO.

He's annoying, arrogant and cocky as hell but he's not a hack. He knows financial markets extremely well.

He's forecasting what we all know is coming. Govt can't help itself w the free money train.

and fear for personal safety has nothing to do with it

but if my personal habits and discipline can reduce R0 in my community than I have an ethical duty to the most vulnerable to adopt those habits and practices

cone said:

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It's March 4th

It took two weeks for Italy to go from first deaths to shutting down all schools and having soccer games in front of empty stadiums. Same timeline for Japan generally. so project the state of American cities in April.

luckily, these decisions won't be left to the consumer.

it's a bummer but that's going to be the cost of saving lives in a global pandemic that will kill the old and vulnerable. we should accept that cost willingly IMO.

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Get your tin foil, your 32 cases of water, 200 cans of soup, and be happy.

We aren't shutting down everything next week in this country because you are scared to leave home.
Stay home. Netflix. Make popcorn and macaroni art with your kids.

We have to see Eddie Vedder and eat at Zia's and go to opening day at Busch.
We have scout camping trip and a choir performance at a gorgeous Catholic church in KC.
We have 5th grade graduation and Earth Day Festivals and movies at Rose Music Hall.


Life cannot and will not stop because you are scared.

i understand your frustration and i empathize

Just found out we had 2 sales guys from Italy fly in on Monday. /facepalm

claym711 said:

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As usual, you're likely to be wrong. Schools will likely be closed and most major events canceled, just like everywhere else that experienced spread. We will know more in the next 2 weeks.

But you're so cool and brave.

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So when should we expect all schools in the country to be closed?

And when should we expect the announcement that MLB is not beginning'?


And being realistic doesn't mean I am trying to be cool and brave.
I can see districts deciding to close.

But the government saying every school has to shut down?
Really?

Tanya 93 said:

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cone said:

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It's March 4th

It took two weeks for Italy to go from first deaths to shutting down all schools and having soccer games in front of empty stadiums. Same timeline for Japan generally. so project the state of American cities in April.

luckily, these decisions won't be left to the consumer.

it's a bummer but that's going to be the cost of saving lives in a global pandemic that will kill the old and vulnerable. we should accept that cost willingly IMO.

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Get your tin foil, your 32 cases of water, 200 cans of soup, and be happy.

We aren't shutting down everything next week in this country because you are scared to leave home.
Stay home. Netflix. Make popcorn and macaroni art with your kids.

We have to see Eddie Vedder and eat at Zia's and go to opening day at Busch.
We have scout camping trip and a choir performance at a gorgeous Catholic church in KC.
We have 5th grade graduation and Earth Day Festivals and movies at Rose Music Hall.


Life cannot and will not stop because you are scared.

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If this thing spins out of control (not saying it will)...then anyone & everyone who dismissed concerned folk as tinfoil hatters will have a special helping of crow to eat.

I think the general concern is that if we don't take proper measures then these closures will become reality, not that they are already a reality. If being inconvenienced for a couple of weeks prevents a legitimate pandemic spread, then its probably good idea. Life definitely should go on, but we're faced with something that could mean life doesn't go on for many (vulnerable as was stated). Its not a matter of expectation, its a matter preparation and willingness if it comes to that.

Mr.Infectious said:

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He's annoying, arrogant and cocky as hell but he's not a hack. He knows financial markets extremely well.

He's forecasting what we all know is coming. Govt can't help itself w the free money train.

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Per Clark County, he lives in a $340,000 3bed-2bath. What an expert to follow and share. Total hack.

Sid Farkas said:

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Tanya 93 said:

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cone said:

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It's March 4th

It took two weeks for Italy to go from first deaths to shutting down all schools and having soccer games in front of empty stadiums. Same timeline for Japan generally. so project the state of American cities in April.

luckily, these decisions won't be left to the consumer.

it's a bummer but that's going to be the cost of saving lives in a global pandemic that will kill the old and vulnerable. we should accept that cost willingly IMO.

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Get your tin foil, your 32 cases of water, 200 cans of soup, and be happy.

We aren't shutting down everything next week in this country because you are scared to leave home.
Stay home. Netflix. Make popcorn and macaroni art with your kids.

We have to see Eddie Vedder and eat at Zia's and go to opening day at Busch.
We have scout camping trip and a choir performance at a gorgeous Catholic church in KC.
We have 5th grade graduation and Earth Day Festivals and movies at Rose Music Hall.


Life cannot and will not stop because you are scared.

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If this thing spins out of control (not saying it will)...then anyone & everyone who dismissed concerned folk as tinfoil hatters will have a special helping of crow to eat.

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Never had a problem doing it before.
\Just asked it was organic.

Tamu_mgm said:

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Went to Sam's last night, and the freakin' place was clean out of bottled water and toilet paper. Ridiculous how much people are panicking.

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Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

the NCPA has already asked the NCAA to consider playing march madness without fans in attendance. the olympics are debating postponing or cancelling. dismissing the idea that public gatherings could be altered/cancelled due to this virus is foolish.

Ok fine. You don't like him personally....whatever he's not the focus.

Do you think we are going to see bailouts? How many? How much? And which industries.

Mr.Infectious said:

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Ok fine. You don't like him personally....whatever he's not the focus.

Do you think we are going to see bailouts? How many? How much? And which industries.

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I have no idea and I'm not going to speculate as if I did. I'd rather not be proven to be a fool when my half ass theory would be proven incorrect.

So you are just here to **** on the thread? What's the point?

UncoverAg00 said:

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I think the general concern is that if we don't take proper measures then these closures will become reality, not that they are already a reality. If being inconvenienced for a couple of weeks prevents a legitimate pandemic spread, then its probably good idea. Life definitely should go on, but we're faced with something that could mean life doesn't go on for many (vulnerable as was stated). Its not a matter of expectation, its a matter preparation and willingness if it comes to that.

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And I am willing if it becomes a deadly pandemic.


But deciding to shut everything down tomorrow is not rational.

No deaths from coronavirus for anyone less than 30 years old in South Korea.

Mr.Infectious said:

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So you are just here to **** on the thread? What's the point?

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The thread should be about information sharing. Not half-baked theories and speculation.

JJMt said:

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I've been downloading the raw numbers every day from the Johns Hopkins GitHub site. The numbers from Europe are discouraging.

Worldwide, the number of infections have been increasing at a rapid exponential rate of around 20% daily since 2/20. The daily growth rate seems to be similar to that percentage in all of the European countries, not just Italy. Italy looks worse because the virus took root there earlier and, as a result, the total numbers are dramatically higher. But the UK, France, Spain and Germany are following Italy's lead. In Spain the growth rate is dramatically higher than Italy.

The last couple of days in the U.S. have also been bad with similar or even higher growth rates. It's dangerous to extrapolate from just two data points, but given what the data looks like in other countries, we'll probably start seeing daily growth rates of around 20% hereafter until the virus growth naturally tails off or we somehow figure out how to slow its growth.

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"But, somehow offices, grocery stores and shopping centers are different? You walk by people at mass events and you walk by people in the office, grocery store and shopping mall. You have to stand in lines just about in any place."

I agree. We're retired, and we are going to limit exposure at grocery stores and restaraunts. My husband is an introvert, so he's totally ok. I'm an extrovert, so this will be interesting.

The only concern I have is we are fixing our house up for sale and we have a bunch of workers coming in starting next week to fix it up. .

I live in Missouri and have been told today to have assignments ready for my students in case the schools close. I'm not saying its likely, but it is being talked about.

Bruce Almighty said:

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I live in Missouri and have been told today to have assignments ready for my students in case the schools close. I'm not saying its likely, but it is being talked about.

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I emailed my son's teacher about this, knowing how CoMo schools overreact.

Nothing on the radar. They are already over the limit for days off and summer school starts the week after they get out.

We cannot afford this time off from school.
Assignments at home is not teaching.

Tanya 93 said:

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Bruce Almighty said:

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I live in Missouri and have been told today to have assignments ready for my students in case the schools close. I'm not saying its likely, but it is being talked about.

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I emailed my son's teacher about this, knowing how CoMo schools overreact.

Nothing on the radar. They are already over the limit for days off and summer school starts the week after they get out.

We cannot afford this time off from school.
Assignments at home is not teaching.

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Umm, home school isn't a thing?