Fair enough.

What is effect of the new travel restrictions?

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Most aggressive actions to combat coronavirus? That is laughable.

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You're going to disagree with anything he says. Pathetic.

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If he actually says something sensible I'd agree with it, rather than the crap job his government has been doing. How many numbers of tests have we run so far again?

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You're entire TexAgs existence is to post anti-Trump.

Goodbye.

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You really need to block any and all that criticize trump. I can tell you really don't like it

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Do you consider yourself to be objective and open minded when it comes to trump?

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The deranged left hear what they want to hear and the complicit media (also part of the deranged left) happily carry the water.

I had someone the other day tell me Trump called neo Nazi's "fine people" and I had to educate her. I could almost see the confirmation bias smoke coming from her ears.

Whiskey Jacket said:

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What good does it do to test with test that we know to be incorrect. What does that help?

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The CDC screwed up developing their own tests. The South Koreans didn't have problem

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Yep, he wasn't saying the coronavirus is a hoax, he was saying the dishonest Democrat/MSM cabal's narrative that the Trump administration wasn't ready and didn't prepare is another in a long line of hoaxes being perpetrated by left.

More fake news being perpetuated by the fake media, and the leftist lemmings lap it up like thirsty dogs.

https://instagr.am/p/B9JXADsnVeN

I forced myself to read the latest Paul Krugman column, which is all about Trump's response to the Coronavirus. I wanted to see what sort of garbage he's spewing to his millions of followers.

My god, the mental gymnastics these people use to score political points for their side. Without any context, Krugman says Trump called this a hoax (and apparently it's now being repeated on CNN), says Pence isn't qualified to run the response as he ain't a doctor (without mentioning the Ebola czar under Obama wasn't a doctor either), and spreads the nonsense theory that Pence was responsible for a severe HIV outbreak because he was against a needle exchange program. No evidence or context for any of this garbage and the masses accept this crap without thinking about it.

No wonder morons like SUAg and Shanked spew the garbage they do.

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https://instagr.am/p/B9JXADsnVeN

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Is there a link to the article or whatever paper? I'd be very interested in reading it to see why they would claim that. A picture is great, but doesn't have substance.

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What good does it do to test with test that we know to be incorrect. What does that help?

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The CDC screwed up developing their own tests. The South Koreans didn't have problem

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I've read this headline as well; CDC did not like WHO's test, but theirs was delayed, had problems, etc.

It's important to keep in mind that this is the same CDC for which leftist politicians were carping about Trump cutting their budget. The same CDC whose vaunted scientists were said should be placed in charge instead of a "science denier" like Pence. Now that Trump says they are doing well, suddenly they are not to be trusted because, you know, Trump. It's pretty flipping damn amazing how the narrative around the CDC has changed in the last 72 hours.

And FWIW, I am sitting in the Sky Club in ATL awaiting a flight to Europe. If you travel much, you know that this place is filled with people from all over the globe. Not 1 person in this lounge is wearing a mask.

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https://instagr.am/p/B9JXADsnVeN

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Is there a link to the article or whatever paper? I'd be very interested in reading it to see why they would claim that. A picture is great, but doesn't have substance.

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https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2002032

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387?query=recirc_curatedRelated_article

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https://instagr.am/p/B9JXADsnVeN

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Such a BS headline. Of course it "could be". Since we know far less about it, anything is a formal possibility. A journal of that stature should know better than to toss red meat to the idiots in the press.

Excellent, thank you.

To be fair, it is an editorial article.

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I forced myself to read the latest Paul Krugman column, which is all about Trump's response to the Coronavirus. I wanted to see what sort of garbage he's spewing to his millions of followers.

My god, the mental gymnastics these people use to score political points for their side. Without any context, Krugman says Trump called this a hoax (and apparently it's now being repeated on CNN), says Pence isn't qualified to run the response as he ain't a doctor (without mentioning the Ebola czar under Obama wasn't a doctor either), and spreads the nonsense theory that Pence was responsible for a severe HIV outbreak because he was against a needle exchange program. No evidence or context for any of this garbage and the masses accept this crap without thinking about it.

No wonder morons like SUAg and Shanked spew the garbage they do.

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That's no excuse for these clowns. They're adults and we should expect a sentient being (which I know assuming that for these guys is a pretty big leap of faith) not to just spew bull**** due to TDS. I personally get all my medical advice from that wise sage AOC.

Thank you too... different article, but I'll read it as well.

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What good does it do to test with test that we know to be incorrect. What does that help?

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The CDC screwed up developing their own tests. The South Koreans didn't have problem

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I've read this headline as well; CDC did not like WHO's test, but theirs was delayed, had problems, etc.

It's important to keep in mind that this is the same CDC for which leftist politicians were carping about Trump cutting their budget. The same CDC whose vaunted scientists were said should be placed in charge instead of a "science denier" like Pence. Now that Trump says they are doing well, suddenly they are not to be trusted because, you know, Trump. It's pretty flipping damn amazing how the narrative around the CDC has changed in the last 72 hours.

And FWIW, I am sitting in the Sky Club in ATL awaiting a flight to Europe. If you travel much, you know that this place is filled with people from all over the globe. Not 1 person in this lounge is wearing a mask.

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Busiest airport in the world....be safe.

I'm supposed to go to Prague in early July...so far my company hasn't taken a strict stance. At least there will be a few months to figure out exactly what's going on.

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https://instagr.am/p/B9JXADsnVeN

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Is there a link to the article or whatever paper? I'd be very interested in reading it to see why they would claim that. A picture is great, but doesn't have substance.

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https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2002032

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I think that headline is pretty misleading. I've been reading the results of the linked study and the discussion, and there is nothing in there that leads to the conclusion the article is claiming.

Their study showed a 1.4% fatality rate, many times higher than the 0.1% death rate of the seasonal flu.

Now I think some of the panic is overblown, but I also think it's pretty damn irresponsable for a news organization to make that claim knowing 99.9% of readers won't actually look at the NEJM study.

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Read the article and I think the picture headline is misleading... so I'll explain why I think that.

While it does state the following...

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This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.

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That, in an of itself does not represent the entirety of the issue. It goes on to talk about transmission and the problems being faced there...

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The efficiency of transmission for any respiratory virus has important implications for containment and mitigation strategies. The current study indicates an estimated basic reproduction number (R0) of 2.2, which means that, on average, each infected person spreads the infection to an additional two persons. As the authors note, until this number falls below 1.0, it is likely that the outbreak will continue to spread. Recent reports of high titers of virus in the oropharynx early in the course of disease arouse concern about increased infectivity during the period of minimal symptoms.

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However, given the efficiency of transmission as indicated in the current report, we should be prepared for Covid-19 to gain a foothold throughout the world, including in the United States. Community spread in the United States could require a shift from containment to mitigation strategies such as social distancing in order to reduce transmission. Such strategies could include isolating ill persons (including voluntary isolation at home), school closures, and telecommuting where possible.

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Taking everything in context, the mortality rate could be that of a severe flu, sure... the efficiency in transmission is still a problem. And therein lies the rub: while they both may end up with similar mortality rates, 0.1% of 1 million is different that 0.1% of 100 million.

So I think the headline is a bit misleading.

Thoughts?

I'm counting on the complimentary bourbon (Old Forester) to kill any particles I might encounter.

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Shanked, you were surprisingly reasonable on this thread early on but now you've jumped the shark.

Tell me, how many tests should have been performed? Of those, how many weren't performed because of the CDC screw up?

Why did the CDC decided not to use the test recommended by the WHO? Do you agree with their reasoning or not? Why do you trust the WHO more than the CDC?

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I'm looking at how countries like South Korea and the UK have been testing people. Its night and day with what we've gotten out of the CDC. Are you trying to say the South Koreans have gone overboard on this?

That article doesn't draw any comparisons to seasonal flu at all in terms of severity. Only in symptoms. Headline is total garbage.

On the testing issue, it's completely unrealistic to expect mass testing on everybody who comes into an ER or doctors office with fever, cough, or other respiratory symptoms. We are the middle of flu season and hospitals and clinics are full of people with these symptoms. It makes perfect sense to limit testing, given the limits of testing capabilities, to those with travel histories or personal contacts that increase their risk of covid-19 exposure. That doesn't even account for the apparent issue with the CDC's initial test kits.

Yelling and screaming at Trump about this is nothing more partisan politics.

The R0 is troubling, for sure. Combined with the ease that it transferred, I think we're in for a long haul here, particularly for the elderly and at risk.

But, for the general population, I think it's going to be a huge inconvenience for a while and then pass.

I'm 39 and had bronchitis (which turned into a slight pneumonia, whatever that means) in December. It sucked tremendously.

Excellent press conference by the president and his team.

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The R0 is troubling, for sure. Combined with the ease that it transferred, I think we're in for a long haul here, particularly for the elderly and at risk.

But, for the general population, I think it's going to be a huge inconvenience for a while and then pass.

I'm 39 and had bronchitis (which turned into a slight pneumonia, whatever that means) in December. It sucked tremendously.

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The good news in my opinion is that the numbers so far show covid-19 is nowhere as deadly as SARS or MERS, which was my initial fear when this thing started. The only place where this doesn't hold is Iran, but their data is about as trustworthy as China's, and I imagine their public health system is likely far worse than China.

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The R0 is troubling, for sure. Combined with the ease that it transferred, I think we're in for a long haul here, particularly for the elderly and at risk.

But, for the general population, I think it's going to be a huge inconvenience for a while and then pass.

I'm 39 and had bronchitis (which turned into a slight pneumonia, whatever that means) in December. It sucked tremendously.

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The good news in my opinion is that the numbers so far show covid-19 is nowhere as deadly as SARS or MERS, which was my initial fear when this thing started. The only place where this doesn't hold is Iran, but their data is about as trustworthy as China's, and I imagine their public health system is likely far worse than China.

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While I hope this is the case, the low CFR is based on Chinese data, which is suspect.

South Korea data, which I trust, had a much higher CFR when calculated with a week delay. I would like to see if the South Korean data converges to a single CFR.

I am so glad that the President had a "formal" press conference today on both Corona virus and the Taliban peace deal. It just reminds me that characterizing the "Press" as "enemy of the people" and "fake news" is 100% right. I can't decide if career political *****s or members of the "4th estate" are the worse form of human life?

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The R0 is troubling, for sure. Combined with the ease that it transferred, I think we're in for a long haul here, particularly for the elderly and at risk.

But, for the general population, I think it's going to be a huge inconvenience for a while and then pass.

I'm 39 and had bronchitis (which turned into a slight pneumonia, whatever that means) in December. It sucked tremendously.

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The good news in my opinion is that the numbers so far show covid-19 is nowhere as deadly as SARS or MERS, which was my initial fear when this thing started. The only place where this doesn't hold is Iran, but their data is about as trustworthy as China's, and I imagine their public health system is likely far worse than China.

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MERS is by far the worst in terms of death rate which can go up to 35%, but thankfully it is not easily transmitted person to person. Since the outbreaks have remained confined to the Middle East, we don't know if that would be still be accurate if there was an outbreak in a country with a modern medical system with better ability to treat it.