China Coronavirus Outbreak Spreads; Hundreds Infected As Human-To-Human Transmission

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scottimus said:

Rustys-Beef-o-Reeno said:

scottimus said:

I would like to welcome all the newbies and deniers (from the previous ~100 pages) to this thread!


So you are excited and happy that this turned into a thing? That tells me all I need to know about you and others on this thread...
Lol.


Not my fault you are late to the party...the CDC just announced what we have been talking about for the last 185 pages.

Take your "BEEF" with them...


Been following this for weeks, that fact that you are excited about this becoming what all the doomsdayers predicted tells me your an *******
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Okay. I'm buying in now. What should I do to prepare to keep my family hydrated and well fed and safe in case this really does all hit the fan?
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Exsurge Domine said:

The Fife said:

Exsurge Domine said:

I'm just wondering what I should be doing to protect my company. I'm a decent sized small business, and am working with my health and safety, operations and Hr departments to figure out a plan if this thing goes big in the US, but I literally have no clue how to prepare for my workforce going missing haha.
My honest advice, have a generous PTO program in place. I'm not sure what your company does but making it as easy as possible to not come in and get everyone else sick is the best thing you can do in my opinion.


That's going to be really difficult as we're a niche product manufacturing company. We are mostly automated but If I don't have people to receive material, ship it, and make it, it's going be difficult
Ouch... you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. Slowed production is better than no production, which you stand a much greater chance of if someone gets everybody else at work sick though. Any chance people in the office could pull a little bit of double duty with the more basic tasks you mentioned?
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twilly said:

scottimus said:

Listening to CDC now...they are looking for more cases.

Get ready for Military intervention...IMHO
Have national guard and reserve units been notified?

I'm currently a reservist in a medical unit. We haven't heard anything.
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Exsurge Domine said:

I'm just wondering what I should be doing to protect my company. I'm a decent sized small business, and am working with my health and safety, operations and Hr departments to figure out a plan if this thing goes big in the US, but I literally have no clue how to prepare for my workforce going missing haha.
  • First identify which jobs can be done remotely or with minimal physical attendance. If you don't have the IT infrastructure to support this (VPN access etc.) do so if not cost prohibitive and explore options even so.
  • Second identify ways to minimize individual interactions and come up with a plan to implement if necessary.
  • Third identify protocols to increase use of sanitizes and or disinfectants and so forth.
  • Fourth identify interactions with the public: customers, delivery drivers, etc. and identify ways to limit that exposure and provide hand sanitizer station and maybe grab masks that you can have available for customers at the door.
  • Fifth if it gets bad or is in your area have an infrared thermometer ($15) and be prepared to have temperatures taken which is really weird to Americans but is common everywhere else where outbreaks happen.
  • Sixth encourage employees not to congregate in shared areas such as break rooms and stagger breaks and lunches to minimize that interaction.
  • Seventh come up with a communication plan for customers, vendors and employees to explain the situation, the steps taken and the reasons why.
  • Eighth run all this through your HR/Legal to ensure OSHA etc. compliance.
Good luck!
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I already told you, you are employing the wrong definition of excited....

Everyone is excited now.
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Latest DHHS, CDC, FDA, and others on Task Force Presser going on now.

https://www.facebook.com/FoxNews/videos/661021048004410/
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zannlaw said:

KorbinDallas said:

We are getting to the point we need a list of countries that DO NOT have a case.



That website is terrifyingly up-to-date.

Seeing the Diamond Princess cruise ship going from 10 cases to more than 690 over the course of its two-week quarantine and accounting for more than half of all the cases outside China makes me never want to go on a cruise ship.

691 on the cruise ship
2,065 other than China

2,756 total cases outside of China

2/25/20 partial data






https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

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Well this would solve the climate change problem without need to elect a Democrat in November.
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OMG first question from Presser is about "Being mean to China" lol
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The Fife said:

Exsurge Domine said:

The Fife said:

Exsurge Domine said:

I'm just wondering what I should be doing to protect my company. I'm a decent sized small business, and am working with my health and safety, operations and Hr departments to figure out a plan if this thing goes big in the US, but I literally have no clue how to prepare for my workforce going missing haha.
My honest advice, have a generous PTO program in place. I'm not sure what your company does but making it as easy as possible to not come in and get everyone else sick is the best thing you can do in my opinion.


That's going to be really difficult as we're a niche product manufacturing company. We are mostly automated but If I don't have people to receive material, ship it, and make it, it's going be difficult
Ouch... you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. Slowed production is better than no production, which you stand a much greater chance of if someone gets everybody else at work sick though. Any chance people in the office could pull a little bit of double duty with the more basic tasks you mentioned?


Possible for some of the labor intensive warehouse stuff, not likely for the coding and programming operations which take a specialized skill set. Definitely have to give it some thought
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Stock up on toilet paper and gatorade. Put their sorry asses to work!!!! No products, no pay you lazy MFers!!!








Seriously though, most of your workers and families probably won't get deathly ill. Lots of flu like symptoms for a few days. It's the overall economy you should be most worried about. How resilient is your industry?




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aezmvp said:

Exsurge Domine said:

I'm just wondering what I should be doing to protect my company. I'm a decent sized small business, and am working with my health and safety, operations and Hr departments to figure out a plan if this thing goes big in the US, but I literally have no clue how to prepare for my workforce going missing haha.
  • First identify which jobs can be done remotely or with minimal physical attendance. If you don't have the IT infrastructure to support this (VPN access etc.) do so if not cost prohibitive and explore options even so.
  • Second identify ways to minimize individual interactions and come up with a plan to implement if necessary.
  • Third identify protocols to increase use of sanitizes and or disinfectants and so forth.
  • Fourth identify interactions with the public: customers, delivery drivers, etc. and identify ways to limit that exposure and provide hand sanitizer station and maybe grab masks that you can have available for customers at the door.
  • Fifth if it gets bad or is in your area have an infrared thermometer ($15) and be prepared to have temperatures taken which is really weird to Americans but is common everywhere else where outbreaks happen.
  • Sixth encourage employees not to congregate in shared areas such as break rooms and stagger breaks and lunches to minimize that interaction.
  • Seventh come up with a communication plan for customers, vendors and employees to explain the situation, the steps taken and the reasons why.
  • Eighth run all this through your HR/Legal to ensure OSHA etc. compliance.
Good luck!


Outstanding post, and thank you
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scottimus said:

Latest DHHS, CDC, FDA, and others on Task Force Presser going on now.

https://www.facebook.com/FoxNews/videos/661021048004410/


The guy on right now is very calming
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Interesting San Diego story here...

Seems to me the CDC does not want to test.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=198132037931331&set=pcb.198132167931318&type=3&__tn__=HH-R&eid=ARB239oI8BY10QzOw96QMqBICtLa1DFciKZme1K3DpmUTf8JPqP7F4HL0pOFZwIxppkXlzRRAasapvo1
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Exsurge Domine said:

aezmvp said:

Exsurge Domine said:

I'm just wondering what I should be doing to protect my company. I'm a decent sized small business, and am working with my health and safety, operations and Hr departments to figure out a plan if this thing goes big in the US, but I literally have no clue how to prepare for my workforce going missing haha.
  • First identify which jobs can be done remotely or with minimal physical attendance. If you don't have the IT infrastructure to support this (VPN access etc.) do so if not cost prohibitive and explore options even so.
  • Second identify ways to minimize individual interactions and come up with a plan to implement if necessary.
  • Third identify protocols to increase use of sanitizes and or disinfectants and so forth.
  • Fourth identify interactions with the public: customers, delivery drivers, etc. and identify ways to limit that exposure and provide hand sanitizer station and maybe grab masks that you can have available for customers at the door.
  • Fifth if it gets bad or is in your area have an infrared thermometer ($15) and be prepared to have temperatures taken which is really weird to Americans but is common everywhere else where outbreaks happen.
  • Sixth encourage employees not to congregate in shared areas such as break rooms and stagger breaks and lunches to minimize that interaction.
  • Seventh come up with a communication plan for customers, vendors and employees to explain the situation, the steps taken and the reasons why.
  • Eighth run all this through your HR/Legal to ensure OSHA etc. compliance.
Good luck!


Outstanding post, and thank you
Oh and also, if you can stagger shifts you might want to consider that too to provide the ability for people who cannot get childcare to still work. If all schools are closed, day cares may be affected too. That would limit the ability of single parents and so forth to work on a normal schedule. You might want to think that through for the portion of your workforce that might be handicapped by that. The precious little disease vectors! (I say this as a father of 3 such disease vectors.)
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For people that are asking what items they may want, here is a list I sent to a family member asking the same question. My rationale is this is stuff that would be needed if cases grow in your area and you want to avoid going out in public as much as possible or are under quarantine.

Please add on or tell me what I missed. Remember this is the basics in my opinion.

Non perishable foods (pasta, beans, rice, canned goods)
Bottled water
Pet foods
Over the counter medication (Cold&Flu, decongestant, acetaminophen/paracetamol)
Electrolyte drinks (Gatorade/pedialyte)
Fresh refill of prescription meds (90 days if possible)
Toilet paper/paper towels
Hand Sanitizer
Surface sanitizer (chlorox wipes, Lysol)
Face Masks if available
Full tank of gas/diesel (fill a few gas cans if you have them)

Most of this stuff should be good on the shelf for a year plus, so worst case, you bought this stuff and don't need to shop later.

And just get what you need, don't clear off the shelves please.
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Bo Darville said:

twilly said:

scottimus said:

Listening to CDC now...they are looking for more cases.

Get ready for Military intervention...IMHO
Have national guard and reserve units been notified?

I'm currently a reservist in a medical unit. We haven't heard anything.


Scottimus, don't count on the military to be a significant assist. Trust me.
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scottimus said:

Interesting San Diego story here...

Seems to me the CDC does not want to test.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=198132037931331&set=pcb.198132167931318&type=3&__tn__=HH-R&eid=ARB239oI8BY10QzOw96QMqBICtLa1DFciKZme1K3DpmUTf8JPqP7F4HL0pOFZwIxppkXlzRRAasapvo1


Bingo. 424 tests have been run in total for the country.

It's already spreading here people.
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Bottled water

Aside from general preference to tap water, is there a real concern of local water sources becoming contaminated or otherwise undrinkable?
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scottimus said:

OMG first question from Presser is about "Being mean to China" lol


That part is over, no one gives a **** about China now. It's broken containment. Will these people shut the **** up about this ***** These people waste theirs and our time asking these inane questions that help nothing.
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gigemtrev said:

Okay. I'm buying in now. What should I do to prepare to keep my family hydrated and well fed and safe in case this really does all hit the fan?


Costco is your friend. Buy some Gatorade or electrolyte powder such as Propel, get some canned chicken breast, low sodium spam and eggs along with flour and sugar. Keep some bottled water for emergencies and buy NyQuil and pain reliever/anti inflammatory medicines. Frozen orange juice is good . I also buy Payday candy bars in bulk for emergency rations/energy. Buy multivitamins to boost nutritional intake and keep about five gallons of tap water available for family in case of outage/emergency. Buy containers of hand sanitizer and keep it available and try to minimize public contact over the next two months. Just my .02 but I have studied prepping a bit and know what generally works. Also have coffee and tea available and preferred spices/sauces for food preparation and service. If your family is isolated, at least they can enjoy food and beverages if they are not ill. We also keep semisweet chocolate chips for those who need their chocolate.
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My concern isn't virus contaminated water, but an extended period where water workers aren't working. Ie leaks aren't fixed, quality declines or something like that.
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aggiepanic95 said:

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Bottled water

Aside from general preference to tap water, is there a real concern of local water sources becoming contaminated or otherwise undrinkable?


If you're worried buy granular calcium hypochlorite. It lasts much longer than bleach and a small amount goes a long long way.
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KorbinDallas said:

My concern isn't virus contaminated water, but an extended period where water workers aren't working. Ie leaks aren't fixed, quality declines or something like that.
I would hope in the U.S. that vital services such as utility workers are allowed to work. Perhaps crews quarantined at plants on rotations.
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ATMTWS said:

KorbinDallas said:

My concern isn't virus contaminated water, but an extended period where water workers aren't working. Ie leaks aren't fixed, quality declines or something like that.
I would hope in the U.S. that vital services such as utility workers are allowed to work. Perhaps crews quarantined at plants on rotations.
I wouldn't call "quarantined at plants on rotations" as being "Allowed" to work....
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Supply chain problems affecting anyone here directly yet?

I'm just a hobbyist but all of my IC and other electronics sources are now "on vacation" on eBay. I know, first world problems.

Anyones job actually being affected yet?
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Anyone else's internet acting funny?

All my videos are lagging...
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KorbinDallas said:

For people that are asking what items they may want, here is a list I sent to a family member asking the same question.

Please add on or tell me what I missed. Remember this is the basics in my opinion.

Non perishable foods (pasta, beans, rice, canned goods)
Bottled water
Pet foods
Over the counter medication (Cold&Flu, decongestant, acetaminophen/paracetamol)
Electrolyte drinks (Gatorade/pedialyte)
Fresh refill of prescription meds (90 days if possible)
Toilet paper/paper towels
Hand Sanitizer
Surface sanitizer (chlorox wipes, Lysol)
Face Masks if available
Full tank of gas/diesel (fill a few gas cans if you have them)

Most of this stuff should be good on the shelf for a year plus, so worst case, you bought this stuff and don't need to shop later.

And just get what you need, don't clear off the shelves please.


Good advice.

Yes, keep your cars at least 3/4 fueled.

Not too late to order masks, at least as of yesterday.

Tuna, rice, ramen.

Also, an excellent item that hardly anyone thinks about is whey. Super high in protein, last forever, relatively inexpensive, and you can mix it with water. For example, a big container of GNC Pro performance whey. The kind that athletes purchase at the health food store.
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Rock1982 said:

KorbinDallas said:

For people that are asking what items they may want, here is a list I sent to a family member asking the same question.

Please add on or tell me what I missed. Remember this is the basics in my opinion.

Non perishable foods (pasta, beans, rice, canned goods)
Bottled water
Pet foods
Over the counter medication (Cold&Flu, decongestant, acetaminophen/paracetamol)
Electrolyte drinks (Gatorade/pedialyte)
Fresh refill of prescription meds (90 days if possible)
Toilet paper/paper towels
Hand Sanitizer
Surface sanitizer (chlorox wipes, Lysol)
Face Masks if available
Full tank of gas/diesel (fill a few gas cans if you have them)

Most of this stuff should be good on the shelf for a year plus, so worst case, you bought this stuff and don't need to shop later.

And just get what you need, don't clear off the shelves please.


Good advice.

Yes, keep your cars at least 3/4 fueled.

Not too late to order masks, at least as of yesterday.

Tuna, rice, ramen.

Also, an excellent item that hardly anyone thinks about is whey. Super high in protein, last forever, relatively inexpensive, and you can mix it with water. For example, a big container of GNC Pro performance whey. The kind that athletes purchase at the health food store.
ummm...where?
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wessimo said:

scottimus said:

Interesting San Diego story here...

Seems to me the CDC does not want to test.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=198132037931331&set=pcb.198132167931318&type=3&__tn__=HH-R&eid=ARB239oI8BY10QzOw96QMqBICtLa1DFciKZme1K3DpmUTf8JPqP7F4HL0pOFZwIxppkXlzRRAasapvo1


Bingo. 424 tests have been run in total for the country.

It's already spreading here people.
Yup,

CDC/HHS is just slow rolling the news...Lol
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One good sign could be the relatively low fatality rate among the cruise ship passengers. We were on a 10 day cruise to Mexico's Pacific Riviera which ended last Friday and most passengers were geriatric. That means that the Corona virus, like the flu, seems survivable if you are relatively healthy. And even on that cruise, with staff being fanatical about having people wash hands and use sanitizer, there was a lot of rinovirus/upper respiratory stuff going on. It could be the ship's air circulation system but more likely just people being together, coughing and sneezing.
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Brad06ag said:

ATMTWS said:

KorbinDallas said:

My concern isn't virus contaminated water, but an extended period where water workers aren't working. Ie leaks aren't fixed, quality declines or something like that.
I would hope in the U.S. that vital services such as utility workers are allowed to work. Perhaps crews quarantined at plants on rotations.
I wouldn't call "quarantined at plants on rotations" as being "Allowed" to work....


Haha, agreed, I'm in those categories, I'm not interested in being stuck at work. Plus you still have to think about people with families, family is gonna be #1 for most.
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UTExan said:

One good sign could be the relatively low fatality rate among the cruise ship passengers. We were on a 10 day cruise to Mexico's Pacific Riviera which ended last Friday and most passengers were geriatric. That means that the Corona virus, like the flu, seems survivable if you are relatively healthy. And even on that cruise, with staff being fanatical about having people wash hands and use sanitizer, there was a lot of rinovirus/upper respiratory stuff going on. It could be the ship's air circulation system but more likely just people being together, coughing and sneezing.


About 1 month delay from mild symptoms to serious or critical. Still to early to know.
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