Sasappis said:

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Excellent thread on why trumps tweet was a bad idea

It is hard to argue with this thread in my mind. I think there are going to be cases here so to act like there will not is naive.

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Got him?

Sasappis said:

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Excellent thread on why trumps tweet was a bad idea

It is hard to argue with this thread in my mind. I think there are going to be cases here so to act like there will not is naive.

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What would you have preferred him to say?

This statement is so true and covers all the different thoughts on this board

Give me a freakin break!! Guess it would be better if the POTUS says nothing to worry about like Xi in China?? Or maybe just silence? Or maybe tell everyone to quarantine and don't go in public ( a little mass hysteria anyone)??

then you haters have other "experts" to tell us how wrong each of these positions are!!

I'm a big believer in moderation. Drinking in moderation, eating in moderation. If you panic... do it in moderation.

What we all knew would happen, happened. Not quarantined long enough, not properly quarantined. Probably transported with others and has passed it along by now. The long incubation period seems to be what is making this virus so hard to contain.

KorbinDallas said:

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What we all knew would happen, happened. Not quarantined long enough, not properly quarantined. Probably transported with others and has passed it along by now. The long incubation period seems to be what is making this virus so hard to contain.

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Know what this tells me? The tests for the virus are about worthless. This is the 234958702435 time that we have heard about an infected person testing negative, and then later testing positive.

KorbinDallas said:

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What we all knew would happen, happened. Not quarantined long enough, not properly quarantined. Probably transported with others and has passed it along by now. The long incubation period seems to be what is making this virus so hard to contain.

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Hand in hand with being asymptomatic yet being able to spread it around to others.

What helps it to be so infectious is also good news - 80%+ of the people who get it experience mild or no symptoms at all.

Yep, this is simply not containable due to all kinds of reasons. Again, it's just a matter of when this is coming to most places and the only question is the severity/impacts from health and social to economic.

20% serious with a lot of people sick will over run healthcare systems and tons of work/life interruptions still. Will just have to see how it unfolds

Sasappis said:

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"Our experts are working hard on containing Corona. The CDC is working with our international partners. Listen to official statements"


That is consistent with his tone and demeanor but does not downplay or overhype the issue.

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Not bad. I just hope we are putting plans in overdrive. The test kit fiasco has put a large dent in my belief that our CDC can handle this situation. There are still too many people in government that would prefer the world burn rather than Trump succeed.

KerrvilleAg said:

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Give me a freakin break!! Guess it would be better if the POTUS says nothing to worry about like Xi in China?? Or maybe just silence? Or maybe tell everyone to quarantine and don't go in public ( a little mass hysteria anyone)??

then you haters have other "experts" to tell us how wrong each of these positions are!!

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He's pretty much damned if he does and damned if he doesn't say anything. It's an awful position to be in and an extremely difficult scenario to be thrown into.


We will see how well he handles this going forward. There are all types of leadership styles and methods. He has his strengths and weaknesses. I don't think he has it in him to be a good leader during a major crisis. Fighting back against opponents, yes, dealing with rapidly changing complex/complicated situations without being polarizing and not shooting from the cuff, not so much. That's just my opinion.

Another neat "outbreak" map.

http://outbreaks.globalincidentmap.com/

fooz said:

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Another neat "outbreak" map.

http://outbreaks.globalincidentmap.com/

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I played some PC games in the 90s that had this look and feel to it.

Athanasius said:

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NSIAP, but reading the WHO daily status report today... their main concern is INCLUSION AND DIVERSITY.

I kid you not.

"Since the emergence of COVID-19 we have seen instances of public stigmatization among specific populations, and the rise of harmful stereotypes"

" Spreading the facts: Stigma can be heightened by insufficient knowledge about how the new coronavirus disease (COVID-19) is transmitted and treated, and how to prevent infection.
Engaging social influencers such as religious leaders on prompting reflection about people who are stigmatized and how to support them, or respected celebrities to amplify messages that reduce stigma.
Amplify the voices, stories and images of local people who have experienced COVID-19 and have recovered or who have supported a loved one through recovery to emphasise that most people do recover from COVID-19.
Make sure you portray different ethnic groups. Materials should show diverse communities that are being affected, and show communities working together to prevent the spread of COVID-19.
Balanced reporting. Media reporting should be balanced and contextualised, disseminating evidence-based information and helping combat rumour and misinformation that could lead to stigmatisation.
Link up. There are a number of initiatives to address stigma and stereotyping. It is key to link up to these activities to create a movement and a positive environment that shows care and empathy for all"

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That is identity politics social "science" garbage interfering with and distracting from the proper and efficient execution of strategies to deal with a life or death matter. In that light, it is almost sociopathic to focus on such irrelevancy.

Mainland Spain and Switzerland have reported their first cases of COVID-19.

hoosierAG said:

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20% serious with a lot of people sick will over run healthcare systems and tons of work/life interruptions still. Will just have to see how it unfolds

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Agreed. I think you will see that the % of serious won't be as high in a place like the United States but I expect it to certainly put a strain on our system.

MouthBQ98 said:

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Athanasius said:

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NSIAP, but reading the WHO daily status report today... their main concern is INCLUSION AND DIVERSITY.

I kid you not.

"Since the emergence of COVID-19 we have seen instances of public stigmatization among specific populations, and the rise of harmful stereotypes"

" Spreading the facts: Stigma can be heightened by insufficient knowledge about how the new coronavirus disease (COVID-19) is transmitted and treated, and how to prevent infection.
Engaging social influencers such as religious leaders on prompting reflection about people who are stigmatized and how to support them, or respected celebrities to amplify messages that reduce stigma.
Amplify the voices, stories and images of local people who have experienced COVID-19 and have recovered or who have supported a loved one through recovery to emphasise that most people do recover from COVID-19.
Make sure you portray different ethnic groups. Materials should show diverse communities that are being affected, and show communities working together to prevent the spread of COVID-19.
Balanced reporting. Media reporting should be balanced and contextualised, disseminating evidence-based information and helping combat rumour and misinformation that could lead to stigmatisation.
Link up. There are a number of initiatives to address stigma and stereotyping. It is key to link up to these activities to create a movement and a positive environment that shows care and empathy for all"

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That is identity politics social "science" garbage interfering with and distracting from the proper and efficient execution of strategies to deal with a life or death matter. In that light, it is almost sociopathic to focus on such irrelevancy.

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I agree. It seems our PC culture has gotten to the point where it can actually threaten the survival of individuals so we don't hurt some victim group's feelings.

VaultingChemist said:

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Sasappis said:

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Excellent thread on why trumps tweet was a bad idea

It is hard to argue with this thread in my mind. I think there are going to be cases here so to act like there will not is naive.

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What would you have preferred him to say?

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I agree "What should Trump say"? We expect a wave of death soon? This guy obviously hates Trump.

Trump is at the doorstep of a really positive trip. There is most likely much anxiety since India is close to China.....if I was in Trump shoes I would have the same thing. It is clearly a comment that captures a snap shot of the moment. Any other dark speculation is just speculation.

These freakin people deserve to suffer another 4 years of Trump.

Limbaugh said this is no different than the common cold, so everything will be alright. Relax people.

Shanked Punt said:

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Limbaugh said this is no different than the common cold, so everything will be alright. Relax people.

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Whatever Shank posts, just think the opposite, and everything will be alright. Relax.

Very concerning news on healthcare workers.

I have my tinfoil hat on right now. So if you don't want to participate in my thought experiment move on and save yourself the frustration...

If this is going to spread through the US. Is there an advantage to being a patient while the system is still operational? If you come down with it last, after the system is overwhelmed your care will suffer drastically.

A few reasons this would not necessarily be true is we don't know much about re-infection. You could get it , recover and then be infected again possibly. It appears there could be long term effects of the virus not fully understood.

This is NOT something I'm seriously considering doing, but it makes sense on some levels. Just a thought experiment.

KorbinDallas said:

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I have my tinfoil hat on right now. So if you don't want to participate in my thought experiment move on and save yourself the frustration...

If this is going to spread through the US. Is there an advantage to being a patient while the system is still operational? If you come down with it last, after the system is overwhelmed your care will suffer drastically.

A few reasons this would not necessarily be true is we don't know much about re-infection. You could get it , recover and then be infected again possibly. It appears there could be long term effects of the virus not fully understood.

This is NOT something I'm seriously considering doing, but it makes sense on some levels. Just a thought experiment.

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If I'm tracking - you want to have a pox party?

If new drugs, vaccines, or treatments are developed, you are not going to take advantage of them.

Self-quarantine for 27 days is not going to be fun, either.

Testing to begin ~April. Let's hope for the best!

Drugmaker Moderna Inc. has shipped the first batch of its rapidly developed coronavirus vaccine to U.S. government researchers, who will launch the first human tests of whether the experimental shot could help suppress the epidemic originating in China.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/drugmaker-moderna-delivers-first-coronavirus-vaccine-for-human-testing-11582579099

KorbinDallas said:

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I have my tinfoil hat on right now. So if you don't want to participate in my thought experiment move on and save yourself the frustration...

If this is going to spread through the US. Is there an advantage to being a patient while the system is still operational? If you come down with it last, after the system is overwhelmed your care will suffer drastically.

A few reasons this would not necessarily be true is we don't know much about re-infection. You could get it , recover and then be infected again possibly. It appears there could be long term effects of the virus not fully understood.

This is NOT something I'm seriously considering doing, but it makes sense on some levels. Just a thought experiment.

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Someone I know said if it shows up here, he is going to go kiss a Chinese girl so he can get the virus before the system gets overwhelmed.

KidDoc said:

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MouthBQ98 said:

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Athanasius said:

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NSIAP, but reading the WHO daily status report today... their main concern is INCLUSION AND DIVERSITY.

I kid you not.

"Since the emergence of COVID-19 we have seen instances of public stigmatization among specific populations, and the rise of harmful stereotypes"

" Spreading the facts: Stigma can be heightened by insufficient knowledge about how the new coronavirus disease (COVID-19) is transmitted and treated, and how to prevent infection.
Engaging social influencers such as religious leaders on prompting reflection about people who are stigmatized and how to support them, or respected celebrities to amplify messages that reduce stigma.
Amplify the voices, stories and images of local people who have experienced COVID-19 and have recovered or who have supported a loved one through recovery to emphasise that most people do recover from COVID-19.
Make sure you portray different ethnic groups. Materials should show diverse communities that are being affected, and show communities working together to prevent the spread of COVID-19.
Balanced reporting. Media reporting should be balanced and contextualised, disseminating evidence-based information and helping combat rumour and misinformation that could lead to stigmatisation.
Link up. There are a number of initiatives to address stigma and stereotyping. It is key to link up to these activities to create a movement and a positive environment that shows care and empathy for all"

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That is identity politics social "science" garbage interfering with and distracting from the proper and efficient execution of strategies to deal with a life or death matter. In that light, it is almost sociopathic to focus on such irrelevancy.

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I agree. It seems our PC culture has gotten to the point where it can actually threaten the survival of individuals so we don't hurt some victim group's feelings.

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Meh, they are covering the bases. Lat spring during the measles epidemic on the East Coast, there were some incidents of people assaulting Orthodox groups who were out in public. People such as yourself who can think rationally i.e. 'not every person from X country is contagious' is not to whom this would be directed anyway. It's to remind the media/healthcare communicators that not everyone is smart enough to figure that out.

As far as the spread in the US, flights are still going and coming from countries such as Italy and China so including those already here who are stricken, its only a matter of time before it spreads. The elderly seem to be the most afflicted, so if nursing homes and elder facilities have awareness, then hopefully the impact will not be overwhelming. Just depends upon how well communities can contain it. It's a shame the CDC/Global budget was trimmed but it looks like they are going to pump some money back into it to address the issue.

Hard to strike a balance between inducing panic and ensuring precautions are taken, so thank you to those medical personnel on the front lines.

I was gonna call it a Corona Party.

Even the healthy people in China are in 27day lockdown anyway. The drug thing definitely makes sense, but no telling what time those will arrive.

Again, I'm not doing this, but right now the system is working at peak efficiency.

Shanked Punt said:

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Limbaugh said this is no different than the common cold, so everything will be alright. Relax people.

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And you've been downplaying it on this thread as well.

Big Al 1992 said:

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Best list of what to prepare for, what not to do, what to keep on hand without hoarding or panic buying (like Italy)

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From reading their list it seems like a natural disaster/hurricane preparedness list.

So just shop and prepare for hurricane season year round I suppose.

I would be wary of a vaccine that has not been test on others first, especially if they get reinfected.