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PJYoung said:

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JaneDoe02 said:

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Madman said:

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https://i.imgur.com/McngqWL.mp4

Nice animated graph. Worth a look

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That graph scares me.

That's not a joke.

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Damn. Ebola had 60+% death rate. Indiscriminate killer there.

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I thought Ebola is closer to 90% in Africa. I know the mortality rate for health care workers was 50%.

At least that's what I remember from Pandemic on Netflix.

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Yes, it can be up to 90% depending on the particular strain, which is why it makes a poor pandemic virus. It tends to incapacitate and kill most of its hosts and does spread easily like other viruses (flu, norovirus, rhinovirus, coronavirus, etc.). While Ebola is a nasty bugger, part of what makes it's death rate so high is a complete lack of medical care in areas where it often appears, along with a complete lack of trust in modern medicine, even when it is available. The local witch doctor is often trusted more than an actual medical doctor.

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Also, its not airborne

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Do all you nut jobs have your bunkers built out yet? Don't forget your air ventilation system

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Do you have health, home, or car insurance?

BTW, I have no bunker.

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https://nypost.com/2020/02/22/dont-buy-chinas-story-the-coronavirus-may-have-leaked-from-a-lab/

I believe this is an op-ed vs an actual news report. Interesting nonetheless.

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That's a distinction without any meaning considering the Post is a tabloid.

"I don't buy any of this." "China has released a plague upon its people."

I suspect you may be right about it not being an actual news report.

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Even the deadly SARS virus has escaped twice from the Beijing lab where it was and probably is being used in experiments. Both "man-made" epidemics were quickly contained, but neither would have happened at all if proper safety precautions had been taken.

And then there is this little-known fact: Some Chinese researchers are in the habit of selling their laboratory animals to street vendors after they have finished experimenting on them.

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Uncomfortable factual accounts about China's poor record of lab safety.

VaultingChemist said:

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Even the deadly SARS virus has escaped twice from the Beijing lab where it was and probably is being used in experiments. Both "man-made" epidemics were quickly contained, but neither would have happened at all if proper safety precautions had been taken.

And then there is this little-known fact: Some Chinese researchers are in the habit of selling their laboratory animals to street vendors after they have finished experimenting on them.

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Uncomfortable factual accounts about China's poor record of lab safety.

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I've heard the same thing about Rosenthal. But at least all that meat on the shelves were the control groups.

Prediction:

By the end of the day Monday 2/24/2020 the WHO and CDC will finally declare a Pandemic of COVID19.

That was happening not simply in Italy, but all over Europe.

How long do you think it will be until we put some sort of restriction on travel from Japan and South Korea?

Seeing as how there are 178 pages, this may have been brought up by someone already and I just overlooked it, but has there been any concern expressed about paper money considering how long this thing can potentially last on surfaces?

Not sure of accuracy of this, and honestly pretty disgusting to read....

"All money, it turns out, could stand to be laundered: the stuff is filthy. Studies show that a solid majority of U.S. bills are contaminated by concaine. Drug traffickers often use coke-sullied hands to move cash, and many users roll bills into sniffing straws; the brushes and rollers in ATMs may distribute the nose candy through the rest of the money supply.

Also found on bills: fecal matter. A 2002 report in the Southern Medical Journal showed found pathogens including staphylococcus on 94% of dollar bills tested. Paper money can reportedly carry more germs than a household toilet. And bills are a hospitable environment for gross microbes: viruses and bacteria can live on most surfaces for about 48 hours, but paper money can reportedly transport a live flu virus for up to 17 days. It's enough to make you switch to credit." Link

Give it time. It's the same virus, the reporting, testing, and containment is what is different around the world.

SK seems to be doing a lot testing within a relatively closed community (big church group) thus discovering more cases. Italy tracked an outbreak w easy to identify pathways within a few small villages starting at a local bar/restaurant.

In both cases they found a clear starting path and realized that the virus acts in real world a lot like it did on the plague cruise ship. This SOB travels faster than they can screen, identify and isolate infected people.


The real world data shows that screening, identification and containment efforts will need to be adjusted around the world. Looks like the only way to slow this down is via strict quarantine of large populations.

KorbinDallas said:

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Prediction:

By the end of the day Monday 2/24/2020 the WHO and CDC will finally declare a Pandemic of COVID19.

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COB east coast time or pacific???

By definition it's a pandemic but they are going to slow roll that announcement for as long as they can. It's a once every 100 year big headline for the world to absorb.


I'll take the over for Monday but they definitely announce before Friday.

JJMt said:

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Are you generating those graphs yourself off of the data from worldometer?

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Yeppers

PJYoung said:

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JJMt said:

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Are you generating those graphs yourself off of the data from worldometer?

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Yeppers

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Sock account?

Italy will be interesting to watch...

A report cited several pages back stated that China was disinfecting their money to prevent spread of the coronavirus. Viruses generally do not live long on porous surfaces, so this one may be hardier than usual.

90% of US bills have traces of cocaine on them

Research is beginning to show that 2019-nCoV did not originate in market.

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The novel coronavirus that has claimed the lives of more than 2,400 people did not originate at a seafood market in the central China city of Wuhan as was first thought, according to a new study by a team of Chinese scientists.

The severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) was instead imported from elsewhere, said researchers from Xishuangbanna Tropical Botanical Garden under the Chinese Academy of Sciences and the Chinese Institute for Brain Research.

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Just finished reading the previous 10 pages or so. Pretty uplifting Sunday morning.

Illuminaggie said:

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Research is beginning to show that 2019-nCoV did not originate in market.

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The novel coronavirus that has claimed the lives of more than 2,400 people did not originate at a seafood market in the central China city of Wuhan as was first thought, according to a new study by a team of Chinese scientists.

The severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) was instead imported from elsewhere, said researchers from Xishuangbanna Tropical Botanical Garden under the Chinese Academy of Sciences and the Chinese Institute for Brain Research.

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That was known pretty much from the start since the corona virus is a mammalian virus, not spread by fish etc.
Once the chicoms realized the world wouldn't be fooled they then made up the "it started with someone eating bats" line.
The rest of the world plays along with the eating bats thing while knowing it wasn't that either.

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At least 26 of the people with coronavirus in Italy are in serious condition

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Hoping there a lot of unreported mild cases to offset the number of serious ones.

When will France, Switzerland, Austria, and Slovenia restrict travel from Italy?

The original version

VaultingChemist said:

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A report cited several pages back stated that China was disinfecting their money to prevent spread of the coronavirus. Viruses generally do not live long on porous surfaces, so this one may be hardier than usual.

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It can survive on open surfaces for at least five days. It is highly contagious. It can take up to 28 days to incubate. Infected people can spread the virus even if they don't exhibit symptoms. It's almost as if someone engineered a virus that could infect a large portion of a population very quickly causing widespread economic havoc.

Clapton made it famous though. My dad and I are planning to go to Europe for one of his shows this summer during his tour.

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VaultingChemist said:

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A report cited several pages back stated that China was disinfecting their money to prevent spread of the coronavirus. Viruses generally do not live long on porous surfaces, so this one may be hardier than usual.

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It can survive on open surfaces for at least five days. It is highly contagious. It can take up to 28 days to incubate. Infected people can spread the virus even if they don't exhibit symptoms. It's almost as if someone engineered a virus that could infect a large portion of a population very quickly causing widespread economic havoc.

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CIA?

And stripper glitter.

You can literally launder US currency. Pop it into a mesh bag, run it through the washing machine and then the high heat dryer setting. That would destroy virtually all pathogens.

If you are really paranoid you can steam iron it

Whatever happened to all the suspected cases in England connected to them shutting down a couple of doctors' offices?

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stetson said:

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VaultingChemist said:

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A report cited several pages back stated that China was disinfecting their money to prevent spread of the coronavirus. Viruses generally do not live long on porous surfaces, so this one may be hardier than usual.

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It can survive on open surfaces for at least five days. It is highly contagious. It can take up to 28 days to incubate. Infected people can spread the virus even if they don't exhibit symptoms. It's almost as if someone engineered a virus that could infect a large portion of a population very quickly causing widespread economic havoc.

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CIA?

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Follow the climate change overpopulation nut money

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Whatever happened to all the suspected cases in England connected to them shutting down a couple of doctors' offices?

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I imagine they all tested negative.

They are testing people in their homes now.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/21/nhs-to-test-londoners-for-coronavirus-at-home

Not the best news, but realistic considering all that is taking place.
Great advice from virologists specializing in infectious diseases.

Past Time to Tell the Public It Will Probably Go Pandemic

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But the P word alone won't help the public understand what's about to change: the end of most quarantines, travel restrictions, contact tracing, and other measures designed to keep "them" from infecting "us," and the switch to measures like canceling mass events designed to keep us from infecting each other.

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We'd like to share with you some of our recent everyday life experiences in talking about pandemic preparedness with people who perceive us as a bit knowledgeable about what may be on the horizon. Some of this overlaps with the more generic comments above.
1. We've found it useful to tell friends and family to try to get ahead on their medical prescriptions if they can, in case of very predictable supply chain disruptions, and so they won't have to go out to the pharmacy at a time when there may be long lines of sick people. This helps them in a practical sense, but it also makes them visualize often for the first time how a pandemic may impact them in their everyday lives, even if they don't actually catch COVID-19. It simultaneously gives them a small "Oh my God" moment (an emotional rehearsal about the future) and something to do about it right away to help them get through the adjustment reaction.
2. We also recommend that people might want to slowly (so no one will accuse them of panic-buying) start to stock up on enough non-perishable food to last their households through several weeks of social distancing at home during an intense wave of transmission in their community. This too seems to get through emotionally, as well as being useful logistically.
3. Three other recommendations that we feel have gone over well with our friends and acquaintances:
a. Suggesting practical organizational things they and their organizations can do to get ready, such as cross-training to mitigate absenteeism.
b. Suggesting that people make plans for childcare when they are sick, or when their child is sick.
4. And the example we like the best, because it gives every single person an immediate action that they can take over and over: Right now, today, start practicing not touching your face when you are out and about! You probably won't be able to do it perfectly, but you can greatly reduce the frequency of potential self-inoculation. You can even institute a buddy system, where friends and colleagues are asked to remind each other when someone scratches her eyelid or rubs his nose. As we noted earlier, someone should develop a face-touching app instead of a step-counting app to encourage you to walk more, how about an app to encourage you to auto-inoculate less! And track your progress, and compete with your friends, even!

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Sounds in Wuhan at night at 30 second mark. Coming to a neighborhood near you?