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I've been following this thread from the start thankful that we are somewhat removed from this thing

Well, my kid came home this week from elementary school telling us that one of her classmates from last year (who's family moved back to China after the school year) just returned to school this week...in her class. She said she heard that their family was one of the ones evacuated from Wuhan and they just got out of quarantine in California (before heading back here). We knew of the kid last year from school activities and were aware that his family did in fact leave to go back to China. So we definitely perked up at what our kid was telling us, but we kind of assumed the whole Wuhan/quarantine stuff was school yard rumors/exaggerations from what they see on tv. Well, there happened to be a school function today and my wife found the teacher and asked about it expecting a quick debunk of the rumors. Instead, the teacher said she couldn't really discuss it, but simply gave my wife a nod and said they on top of the situation. F***ing awesome....what are the odds.

We assume that no one in that family was actually infected, and that their quarantine was of the precautionary variety following evacuation. We also assume since they went through one of the official (military) quarantine locations, they were thoroughly tested and cleared. But we've all heard about the issues with testing, prolonged incubation etc, so who knows. Very concerning to say the least.

Why in the world would this kid's family rush them right back into school straight out of quarantine (or at all)? Absolute BS move on their part that is putting the school/teachers in a very uncomfortable situation, and potentially putting so many at risk given all the unknowns with this virus. It's selfish BS like this makes these things so hard to contain.

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Chinese people really don't give a flip. They grew up in a country of a billion people. Common courtesy isn't a thing. HTH. Thoughts and prayers

T&P

on the bright side you are in a unique situation... if your kid and subsequently you and your family get sick with the nCOV19 and rack up medical bills/ miss work... you know exactly who is liable.

CNBS analyst saying there is "a" report that the Corona virus strain found in Iran did not come out of China...

He could have misspoke some how.
Sorry it is only a facebook video. Again, it is so much faster to get content up there.

https://www.facebook.com/lisa.trzepacz/videos/10212728213799502/

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Why in the world would this kid's family rush them right back into school straight out of quarantine (or at all)? Absolute BS move on their part that is putting the school/teachers in a very uncomfortable situation, and potentially putting so many at risk given all the unknowns with this virus. It's selfish BS like this makes these things so hard to contain.

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Let me get this out there first - I am in the camp that firmly believes there are parents that will bring their kids to school just because "he or she wasn't throwing up on the way to school...so that means they're over it." I have 3 kids under 6 and it seems like they're always bringing something home from school...which inevitably, I get to one degree or another.

Now, with that being said....having been flown from China to the US. Put through isolation/quarantine protocols and cleared to exit those protocols...what would be a non-selfish timeline to get the kids back in school? I'm really not trying to be confrontational. For the sake of conversation, I mean, do we keep the kids out 2 weeks? 4 weeks? Do parents stay out of work that long? What's a realistic non-selfish BS timeline for this? The teachers and admins obviously know so it sounds like the family is trying to open about it all.

your injecting them into american schools on a different time table from the Chinese school they were in up until now. you have the capital to go from U.S. back to China, then get worried about your families well being and up and move back to U.S.

I would say you can keep them out until next school year.

I've already had to calm my wife explaining that kids appear to be pretty resilient to this thing (but not sure if they can be carriers). We aren't freaking out but neither one of us are comfortable with the situation. Not really anything we can do except pull our own kid out of school. Seriously can't believe the parents put that kid right into school.

Also, not much the school can do about it either if the kid passed all the test and was cleared for action. They'd have the SJW mob suing them for discrimination. Also can't really inform the other parents due to HIPPA, etc. We only know because our kid mentioned it to us and we followed up to ask the question. Doubt many other parents are even aware. And again, even if they did, what can you do about it?

scottimus said:

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CNBS analyst saying there is "a" report that the Corona virus strain found in Iran did not come out of China...

He could have misspoke some how.
Sorry it is only a facebook video. Again, it is so much faster to get content up there.

https://www.facebook.com/lisa.trzepacz/videos/10212728213799502/

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If true, MERS would be the likely suspect. It is also a coronavirus and pretty much only rears its ugly head in the Middle East.

It also has a much higher fatality rate than the Chinese one appears to have.

I'd say come back after spring break that's another 2-3 weeks of extra quarantine and should be more than sufficient

No Iran or Italy represented...yet

By the way this webpage is updated pretty frequently with new data. It is REALLY well done I find it more helpful than anything the WHO or CDC puts out as far as being a medical doctor trying to track this.

https://multimedia.scmp.com/infographics/news/china/article/3047038/wuhan-virus/index.html?src=article-launcher&fbclid=IwAR1prMCurLUavaaDbJ5SZ94Dyc7vgGor36kPruShUH9PgxlSYLoYLmMopNU

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Why in the world would this kid's family rush them right back into school straight out of quarantine (or at all)? Absolute BS move on their part that is putting the school/teachers in a very uncomfortable situation, and potentially putting so many at risk given all the unknowns with this virus. It's selfish BS like this makes these things so hard to contain.

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Let me get this out there first - I am in the camp that firmly believes there are parents that will bring their kids to school just because "he or she wasn't throwing up on the way to school...so that means they're over it." I have 3 kids under 6 and it seems like they're always bringing something home from school...which inevitably, I get to one degree or another.

Now, with that being said....having been flown from China to the US. Put through isolation/quarantine protocols and cleared to exit those protocols...what would be a non-selfish timeline to get the kids back in school? I'm really not trying to be confrontational. For the sake of conversation, I mean, do we keep the kids out 2 weeks? 4 weeks? Do parents stay out of work that long? What's a realistic non-selfish BS timeline for this? The teachers and admins obviously know so it sounds like the family is trying to open about it all.

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Seriously? The kid wasn't even enrolled in the school and literally started class the Monday after they got back from quarantine. The family was evacuated from Wuhan by our military. They are missing work regardless. And, while uncommon, there are reports of up to 24 days incubation period...quarantine was 14 days. There are reports of testing "protocols" failing with multiple false negatives. There are all kinds of unknowns about this virus...just read this thread.

Given all of that, is it too much to expect some common sense that maybe they all might lay low for a couple extra weeks to be absolutely certain they are in the clear? I certainly don't think so.

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after they got back from quarantine.

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evacuated from Wuhan by our military

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I don't disagree with you - truthfully I don't. I just have some sympathy for the family given where I've quoted you above.

If you've been through quarantine & cleared by the US Government/Military, in my mind anyway, that would be pretty decent evidence of following common sense. I haven't followed the thread, if the tests are failing, or the military is acting irresponsibly, then shame on them for clearing this family to return to normal life. If that's the case, they're complicit in whatever comes after.

I just don't see where this reaches the level of being a BS move by the family. They might have received poor advice that is putting others in danger. It sounds like, to me anyway, they aren't intentionally putting others at risk. It sounds like they've tried to do the right thing based on the info made available to them.

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scottimus said:

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CNBS analyst saying there is "a" report that the Corona virus strain found in Iran did not come out of China...

He could have misspoke some how.
Sorry it is only a facebook video. Again, it is so much faster to get content up there.

https://www.facebook.com/lisa.trzepacz/videos/10212728213799502/

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If true, MERS would be the likely suspect. It is also a coronavirus and pretty much only rears its ugly head in the Middle East.

It also has a much higher fatality rate than the Chinese one appears to have.

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Except they have a test for MERS. They've had prior outbreaks of MERS, so would probably test for that. They have positive test results for 2019-nCoV.

So, it's probably NOT MERS, thinking critically.

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Why in the world would this kid's family rush them right back into school straight out of quarantine (or at all)? Absolute BS move on their part that is putting the school/teachers in a very uncomfortable situation, and potentially putting so many at risk given all the unknowns with this virus. It's selfish BS like this makes these things so hard to contain.

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Selfishness is core to chinese culture. They've struggled for survival so much for thousands of years that it's all about making sure you get yours vs. giving a single solitary **** about other people.

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Why in the world would this kid's family rush them right back into school straight out of quarantine (or at all)? Absolute BS move on their part that is putting the school/teachers in a very uncomfortable situation, and potentially putting so many at risk given all the unknowns with this virus. It's selfish BS like this makes these things so hard to contain.

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Let me get this out there first - I am in the camp that firmly believes there are parents that will bring their kids to school just because "he or she wasn't throwing up on the way to school...so that means they're over it." I have 3 kids under 6 and it seems like they're always bringing something home from school...which inevitably, I get to one degree or another.

Now, with that being said....having been flown from China to the US. Put through isolation/quarantine protocols and cleared to exit those protocols...what would be a non-selfish timeline to get the kids back in school? I'm really not trying to be confrontational. For the sake of conversation, I mean, do we keep the kids out 2 weeks? 4 weeks? Do parents stay out of work that long? What's a realistic non-selfish BS timeline for this? The teachers and admins obviously know so it sounds like the family is trying to open about it all.

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Seriously? The kid wasn't even enrolled in the school and literally started class the Monday after they got back from quarantine. The family was evacuated from Wuhan by our military. They are missing work regardless. And, while uncommon, there are reports of up to 24 days incubation period...quarantine was 14 days. There are reports of testing "protocols" failing with multiple false negatives. There are all kinds of unknowns about this virus...just read this thread.

Given all of that, is it too much to expect some common sense that maybe they all might lay low for a couple extra weeks to be absolutely certain they are in the clear? I certainly don't think so.

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I don't think using this thread as a gauge on this virus gives much credence to your argument. According to people on here this is an escaped bio weapon that should have infected the entire planet by now and killed hundreds of millions. I'm sure the medical and military professionals that quarantined and cleared the family have a better handle on things than some internet detectives.

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Rapier108 said:

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CNBS analyst saying there is "a" report that the Corona virus strain found in Iran did not come out of China...

He could have misspoke some how.
Sorry it is only a facebook video. Again, it is so much faster to get content up there.

https://www.facebook.com/lisa.trzepacz/videos/10212728213799502/

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If true, MERS would be the likely suspect. It is also a coronavirus and pretty much only rears its ugly head in the Middle East.

It also has a much higher fatality rate than the Chinese one appears to have.

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Except they have a test for MERS. They've had prior outbreaks of MERS, so would probably test for that. They have positive test results for 2019-nCoV.

So, it's probably NOT MERS, thinking critically.

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Your attempt at snark fails miserably.

I was commenting on the post about a news report saying the virus in Iran wasn't from China. If that report was accurate and it was not the Chinese virus, then MERS would be far more likely than another new, potentially lethal coronavirus.

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3879345?fbclid=IwAR0Py9qeBu4vkFNAgK65j_PAUiTcYdHArghotzGgAtMOpWYNCAuTSRP74zs

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Chinese coronavirus patient reinfected 10 days after leaving hospital

AIPEI (Taiwan News) A Chinese patient who just recovered from the Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) has reportedly been infected for the second time in the province of Sichuan, according to local health officials.

On Wednesday (Feb. 19), the People's Daily reported that a man in Sichuan's capital Chengdu had tested positive for the virus during a regular check-up just ten days after being discharged from the hospital. The report said he had previously been cleared of the virus by medical staff.

The Sichuan Health Commission confirmed the news on Friday (Feb. 21) and issued a community warning announcement in the patient's neighborhood. The announcement said that the man and his family had been transported to a nearby health facility on Thursday morning (Feb. 20) and that health officials had sanitized the entire community, reported Liberty Times.

According to ETtoday, the patient and his family had been under home quarantine and had not left the house since Feb. 10. The authorities are still investigating the cause of the reinfection.
The news has stirred up heated reactions from Chinese netizens. Some suspect that the hospital discharged the man before he was fully recovered, and many have expressed concern about the worsening epidemic.

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There is going to be a real crisis if this happens.

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There is going to be a real crisis if this happens.

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Talk about Bridezilla.

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Swollen Thumb said:

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Why in the world would this kid's family rush them right back into school straight out of quarantine (or at all)? Absolute BS move on their part that is putting the school/teachers in a very uncomfortable situation, and potentially putting so many at risk given all the unknowns with this virus. It's selfish BS like this makes these things so hard to contain.

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Let me get this out there first - I am in the camp that firmly believes there are parents that will bring their kids to school just because "he or she wasn't throwing up on the way to school...so that means they're over it." I have 3 kids under 6 and it seems like they're always bringing something home from school...which inevitably, I get to one degree or another.

Now, with that being said....having been flown from China to the US. Put through isolation/quarantine protocols and cleared to exit those protocols...what would be a non-selfish timeline to get the kids back in school? I'm really not trying to be confrontational. For the sake of conversation, I mean, do we keep the kids out 2 weeks? 4 weeks? Do parents stay out of work that long? What's a realistic non-selfish BS timeline for this? The teachers and admins obviously know so it sounds like the family is trying to open about it all.

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Seriously? The kid wasn't even enrolled in the school and literally started class the Monday after they got back from quarantine. The family was evacuated from Wuhan by our military. They are missing work regardless. And, while uncommon, there are reports of up to 24 days incubation period...quarantine was 14 days. There are reports of testing "protocols" failing with multiple false negatives. There are all kinds of unknowns about this virus...just read this thread.

Given all of that, is it too much to expect some common sense that maybe they all might lay low for a couple extra weeks to be absolutely certain they are in the clear? I certainly don't think so.

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I don't think using this thread as a gauge on this virus gives much credence to your argument. According to people on here this is an escaped bio weapon that should have infected the entire planet by now and killed hundreds of millions. I'm sure the medical and military professionals that quarantined and cleared the family have a better handle on things than some internet detectives.

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Yes, I am sure those medical and military professionals are Top Men

So bang a camel, get sick, and blame it on Chinese snake flu? Pandemic i tell ya.

If our US experts thought this was a real threat, they would not be flying people back to the US and letting them out of quarantine. This thread should merge under the Qanon thread.

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So bang a camel, get sick, and blame it on Chinese snake flu? Pandemic i tell ya.

If our US experts thought this was a real threat, they would not be flying people back to the US and letting them out of quarantine. This thread should merge under the Qanon thread.

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So bang a camel, get sick, and blame it on Chinese snake flu? Pandemic i tell ya.

If our US experts thought this was a real threat, they would not be flying people back to the US and letting them out of quarantine. This thread should merge under the Qanon thread.

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Or our government needs more samples of the Virus?....

If it were MERS, they would have said so and not reported to the WHO that it was 2019-nCoV

Since they reported that it was a positive test for 2019-nCoV, I think it would likely be a strain of that than another disease entirely

Unless coronaviruses give false positives or Iran is lying, I don't see how you get to MERS.

Oh hell no!!!

I can handle explosive diarrhea but testicular swelling is where I draw the line.

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South Korea is officially at 205 today

Banks starting to default now.

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I can handle explosive diarrhea but testicular swelling is where I draw the line.

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My Dad had a case of mumps that "went down" as the saying was at the time. That was viewed as often causing sterility. As my parents were both practicing Catholics on the Rhythm Method of contraception, when she knew she was fertile and ready. The story went that he was out in the field on a pipeline project and drove back four hours round trip to, well you know.

Nine months later, "Taa taa taa taa Daaaaa! I'm heeeere!!!"


And the members of the Zoo, OR and this forum have experienced the results.

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I've already had to calm my wife explaining that kids appear to be pretty resilient to this thing (but not sure if they can be carriers). We aren't freaking out but neither one of us are comfortable with the situation. Not really anything we can do except pull our own kid out of school. Seriously can't believe the parents put that kid right into school.

Also, not much the school can do about it either if the kid passed all the test and was cleared for action. They'd have the SJW mob suing them for discrimination. Also can't really inform the other parents due to HIPPA, etc. We only know because our kid mentioned it to us and we followed up to ask the question. Doubt many other parents are even aware. And again, even if they did, what can you do about it?

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School is the de facto day care for school-age kids. That's why most parents send kids to school unless they are almost dead.

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I don't believe that. It's simply not true, especially if you don't include the numbers from the cruise ship.

Excluding the cruise ship, on 2/1 there were 164 cases worldwide. As of midnight on 2/19, there were 474. That's not a tenfold increase.

This virus is bad enough; there's no reason to exaggerate or simply lie.

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Day 19....100 cases
Day 39.....1000 cases
and yes that is still two days away, but if you believe that the numbers are going to decline, especially in light of all the Iran outbreaks, I guess we will just have to disagree.

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Why are you reposting a graph you already posted 5 days ago, without updated data? "Day 39" already passed 3 days ago, there is no need to speculate.

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Banks starting to default now.

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Are you 100% certain that it's a bank default? To me, It looks more like a public meeting informing people of what's going on in the community. They look pretty chill if they are being told the bank is closed and they can't get their money.


IF It's a true bank default , this is a giant "oh **** moment" for the world.

One or two local banks out of cash in Wuhan, no big deal. It's a cash distribution problem.

If it's Multiple Chinese banks out of cash / defaulting = "Oh *****" This global economic system has less than three weeks at most before it completely collapses.

Globalization is great until you realize all of the banks are tied to one another.

The Fed and other central banks will shoot the moon with cash injections and the news will float rumors of cures and vaccines but economic realities rule. When banks stop giving people money, confidence is lost, currency looses value and economy implodes.

I pray that there is something else going on in that video.