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So the death rate on the boat is 0% at this point, correct?

The first patients started showing symptoms 2 weeks ago, correct?

If so, this thing is looking more and more like a treatable and manageable virus than the global killer many here predicted.

The flu kills something like 1 in 700 in the US. That is usually the very sick or very old/young. This thing certainly may have a higher mortality rate than that within certain populations but it does not sound like it is an indiscriminate killer.

Is this a reasonable conclusion so far based on the numbers outside of China? I still think it is too early to stop worrying but I feel more optimistic today than a couple of weeks ago.

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There's only enough detail to go off of a couple of case samples at this point. Based on those, the pneumonia part typically presented somewhere around 14-20 days out. So we're just entering the danger zone for those folks, based off of that.

The other ***** is that based off the CDC's Friday press conference, even those first three US cases (WA guy, and the husband/wife in Chicago) have not cleared the infection yet. Even though they are no longer presenting symptoms (for the WA guy that was two weeks ago) their excretions (saliva and nasal swabs) are still coming back positive for the virus. It's taking a long time for their immune systems to clear the bug, and they appear to still be capable of infecting others based on the viral loads they are finding in testing their mucous.

So it still feels early to declare no risk to us, though the current numbers outside of China and the ship of doom are definitely promising.

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Even though they are no longer presenting symptoms (for the WA guy that was two weeks ago) their excretions (saliva and nasal swabs) are still coming back positive for the virus. It's taking a long time for their immune systems to clear the bug, and they appear to still be capable of infecting others based on the viral loads they are finding in testing their mucous.

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Wow. I didn't realize that.

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Published May 30

America too dependent on China for its medicine, experts warn

The Food and Drug Administration estimates that at least 80 percent of the active ingredients found in all of America's medicines come from abroad primarily China.

"Imagine if China turned off that spigot," said Rosemary Gibson, author of "China RX: The Risks of America's Dependence on China for Medicine." "China's aim is to become the global pharmacy to the world -- it says that. It wants to disrupt, to dominate, and displace American and other Western companies."

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https://www.foxnews.com/us/america-dependent-china-medicines




Since we are discussing treating the sick.....anyone have a guess on how many months/weeks worth of prescription drugs and antibiotics we have in inventory in warehouses throughout the US?

Generic drugs are great but not when 80% are made in China. That's one critical supply chain you don't ever want to disrupt...

Mr.Infectious said:

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Published May 30

America too dependent on China for its medicine, experts warn

The Food and Drug Administration estimates that at least 80 percent of the active ingredients found in all of America's medicines come from abroad primarily China.

"Imagine if China turned off that spigot," said Rosemary Gibson, author of "China RX: The Risks of America's Dependence on China for Medicine." "China's aim is to become the global pharmacy to the world -- it says that. It wants to disrupt, to dominate, and displace American and other Western companies."

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https://www.foxnews.com/us/america-dependent-china-medicines




Since we are discussing treating the sick.....anyone have a guess on how many months/weeks worth of prescription drugs and antibiotics we have in inventory in warehouses throughout the US?

Generic drugs are great but not when 80% are made in China. That's one critical supply chain you don't ever want to disrupt...

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Just out of curiosity I was looking at medical supplies at the fire station and noticed about 50% of the medical consumables said "Made in China".

I'm hopeful that when we get through this, we can get some of this stuff brought back to the USA, this is a massive weakness in our healthcare system, and a security threat to the nation.

Depends on how much you're willing to pay

You and me (tax payers) are the one paying for it...

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I'm hopeful that when we get through this, we can get some of this stuff brought back to the USA, this is a massive weakness in our healthcare system, and a security threat to the nation.

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20% is still made outside....some of that is in the US. However it's a safe bet that that 20% number is going to increase dramatically in the coming weeks/months.


We aren't completely screwed for all medicines, there is inventory in the country and we have the ability to produce them, but the supply of Viagra, allergy pills, and other recreational/non-critical drugs might be impacted in the short run.


That being said, this is a very serious issue. China probably went through a good amount of their inventory in the last 8 weeks treating a **** load of patients so available supply when production does finally ramp back up will likely go to treating additional patients or restocking their domestic supply.


Supply disruptions are possible but certainly not inevitable.

If this is true, China needs to keep the quarantine up for another 2-3 weeks. At that point they would be ahead of the curve right?

China's heavy handed tactics do seem to be effective outside of Hubei. Wuhan might be a lost cause but they have prevented anything close to it elsewhere.

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Drug shortages will give Americans a preview of what's to come when the government finally puts big pharma in their rightful place with some price caps to "lower prescription drug prices". The most expensive drug in the world is the one you can't get because of a shortage or the one that is never discovered because research and develop has been cut to nearly zero.

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Dear Bernie Sanders,

Please read this post.

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I think a PPE shopping list with specs would help this thread cause I just been told my hand sanitizer ain't chit.

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I use diesel mixed with remedy. You?

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I like to use lighter fluid. Squirt it on your hands and light it with a match. Only way to be sure the virus is dead.

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not sure... gotta be mixed 'with remedy'

'with remedy' +1
fire +1

protocol now to do both, only way to be sure.

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If this is true, China needs to keep the quarantine up for another 2-3 weeks. At that point they would be ahead of the curve right?

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Still amazing that Russia, Africa, Cemtral/South America are untouched........

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KorbinDallas said:

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If this is true, China needs to keep the quarantine up for another 2-3 weeks. At that point they would be ahead of the curve right?

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Still amazing that Russia, Africa, Cemtral/South America are untouched........

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No international travelers want to go to those ****hole countries/regions.

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KorbinDallas said:

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If this is true, China needs to keep the quarantine up for another 2-3 weeks. At that point they would be ahead of the curve right?

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Still amazing that Russia, Africa, Cemtral/South America are untouched........

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Untouched or just not reported?

712 individuals in Seattle under "public health supervision"

https://www.doh.wa.gov/Emergencies/Coronavirus

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The number of people under public health supervision includes those at risk of having been exposed to novel coronavirus who are monitoring their health under the supervision of public health officials. This number includes close contacts of laboratory confirmed cases, as well as people who have returned from China in the past 14 days and are included in federal quarantine guidance.

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AgResearch said:

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B-1 83 said:

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KorbinDallas said:

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If this is true, China needs to keep the quarantine up for another 2-3 weeks. At that point they would be ahead of the curve right?

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Still amazing that Russia, Africa, Cemtral/South America are untouched........

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No international travelers want to go to those ****hole countries/regions.

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I hear Africa is popular for Chinese businessmen these days

http://www.gov.cn/xinwen/2020-02/18/content_5480222.htm

Tax return date push to feb 28th.

[url] https://www.voanews.com/student-union/harvard-professor-arrest-highlights-intellectual-property-espionage[/url]

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The recent arrest of a renowned Harvard professor and pioneer in nanoscience sheds light on relationships between American brain power, the Chinese government and funding between the two that involves intellectual property theft.

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He also received more than $1.5 million to create a research lab at Wuhan University of Technology in China, according to court documents.

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I dont have the direct link, but one of his supposed "graduate students" was arrested trying to smuggle numerous vials of "sensitive biological samples" put of the country.

This appears to tie in to a previous video concerning 6 alleged cases of coronavirus in Buffalo, NY.

Dr. Paul Cottrell is not a medical doctor, but he is a collector of different stories about coronavirus infections in the U.S.

He says he will name the confidential informant if the CDC doesn't tell the truth about 1000 cases of coronavirus in 32 states in the U.S.

This seems to be fake news, as vetted earlier in the thread.

Pinche Abogado said:

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This seems to be fake news, as vetted earlier in the thread.

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But will keep coming up over and over for days on end.

Critical thinking has gone right out the window.

Pinche Abogado said:

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This seems to be fake news, as vetted earlier in the thread.

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We will see if he follows through on his threat tomorrow. I think this guy is also convinced that the Coronavirus is a bioengineered weapon.

Update from Singapore:

- we have actually seen a decrease in the cases for 3 consecutive days now. We will see if this holds with the update tonight.
- Critical cases have also gone down (peak 8, currently 4)
- 24 cases now discharged. Average days to discharge 9 days with a standard deviation of 4.8 days.

Video of the dead waiting to be picked up on the streets of Wuhan. Laying on the stoops, curbs, and entrances of buildings.

https://www.facebook.com/115515119996859/posts/128471845367853/?vh=e&d=n

Cannot confirm if real. From a FB group entitled Corona Virus Latest

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Video of the dead waiting to be picked up on the streets of Wuhan. Laying on the stoops, curbs, and entrances of buildings.

https://www.facebook.com/115515119996859/posts/128471845367853/?vh=e&d=n

Cannot confirm if real. From a FB group entitled Corona Virus Latest

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Looks like homeless in Austin. Those poor *******s are trying to stay warm In all those blankets.

I dunno, I was in downtown Austin last weeks and the homeless were upright...