lunchbox said:

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Talked with a friend at church this morning who works in the Med Center (Houston). She said her hospital has multiple people in quarantine under observation but no confirmed tests yet.

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Were they authorized to disclose that information, because if not they should have honor and hand in their resignation.

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lunchbox said:

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Talked with a friend at church this morning who works in the Med Center (Houston). She said her hospital has multiple people in quarantine under observation but no confirmed tests yet.

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Were they authorized to disclose that information, because if not they should have honor and hand in their resignation.

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Correct. Either they're full of **** or they're blatantly breaking the law.

EDIT - Posted this without thinking about it. It's not a HIPAA violation and those that responded are correct.

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KidDoc said:

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Clearing up some bad info over the weekend:

Vitamin C and cold medication will do nothing to prevent pneumonia from any source.

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That's not what I said.

Taking vitamin C daily has been shown to reduce the duration and severity (but not the incidence) of the common cold. Assuming the mechanism is by "boosting the immune system" (as advertised in non-FDA-approved wording on the bottle), it is logical to infer that it would help with other viruses, too.

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Nothing is really proven to prevent pneumonia but malnutrition and immobility are significant risk factors as is smoking and asthma.

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Being in a weakened state due to having been sick recently is surely a risk factor. So minimizing your sickness before you get the coronavirus actually will improve your odds of not getting pneumonia.

I don't know the difference between pneumonia, pneumonitis, bronchitis, etc. But I know that allowing yourself to cough incessantly, without treating the symptom, can lead to inflammation (some sort of -itis).

And based on personal experience, I believe that aggressively medicating the early symptoms of a cold (e.g. runny nose with pseudoephedrine) can slow its spread, giving the immune system time to work before it spreads to other body systems (throat, lungs).

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Don't forget China has an extremely high incidence of the Hepatitis illnesses (due to chopsticks... Nowdays most restaurants use a common chopstick for food) and TB (In the past, everyone is vaccinated now)

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Possibly the most inefficient tool ever created.

What law is that?

The data was deidentified

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flown-the-coop said:

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lunchbox said:

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Talked with a friend at church this morning who works in the Med Center (Houston). She said her hospital has multiple people in quarantine under observation but no confirmed tests yet.

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Were they authorized to disclose that information, because if not they should have honor and hand in their resignation.

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Correct. Either they're full of **** or they're blatantly breaking the law.

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How is that breaking the law? It's not a HIPAA violation if that's what you're thinking.

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China did not quarantine over 100,000,000 people because this is a simple virus that makes your tummy upset. They did not shut down a major portion of their manufacturing because it makes you queasy. Entire apartment sky scrapers are not abandoned/empty because it's a mere store throat and coughing.

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5 million people fled Wuhan on Jan. 20 when there had only been 3 deaths attributed to the virus. Seems like Chinese society might be prone to overreacting. Maybe because nobody trusts each other, because communism.

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According to this resource Kiddoc provided:

https://multimedia.scmp.com/infographics/news/china/article/3047038/wuhan-virus/index.html?src=article-launcher

"Where did 5 million Wuhaners go?
About five million residents left Wuhan before the city went into lockdown, revealed mayor Zhou Xianwang on January 26. Most headed to other cities in Hubei province according to Baidu, China's popular search engine. Here we look at the top 30 destinations on two significant dates."

Looks like the 5 million may have just stayed in China. Not sure how reliable that sourcing is, but I bet it's largely right. It would make since most stayed in or near China as most probably did not have enough money to fly too far.

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lunchbox said:

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Talked with a friend at church this morning who works in the Med Center (Houston). She said her hospital has multiple people in quarantine under observation but no confirmed tests yet.

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Were they authorized to disclose that information, because if not they should have honor and hand in their resignation.

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Lol, the TexAgs lawyers are out in force.

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Where are you getting 780 cases for today? I didn't think that anyone's official numbers have been released yet. The latest official numbers for yesterday were ~400 outside the ship with an additional 285 on the ship, for a total of 685. All of the other charts I've seen for non-China cases show a noticeably flattening of the curve. See the log scale on the site I linked in a post above.

Second, that chart includes the plague ship. Take those numbers out and the curve flattens out even more noticeably. And it's not accurate to include the ship since it's a unique situation and the potential new cases on it is finite.

The official numbers for outside China, excluding the plague ship, show a growth from 265 to 400 from 2/6-2/15. That's a total growth of 135 cases over 10 days, for an average of 13.5 cases/day. Interestingly, that's less than the average growth of confirmed cases since 1/20, which is 13.9 cases/day. In other words, take out the plague ship and the growth of the confirmed cases outside of China is a straight line and the average number of new cases/day is actually declining.

One more thing - there's no source reference on that chart nor any method of determining which day is day 1 or day 39. Is day 39 a real number or an extrapolation? What do the dots on the chart signify, if anything?

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So you're saying my analysis may not be completely airtight, and we may end up with something less than 3.5 quintillion cases by Christmas? Whew, that's a relief. It'll be a merry Christmas after all!

Sorry if this got posted earlier but this shows 40 Americans have tested positive from the cruise ship. This will be a big tell tale on how the US medical system handles a larger number of patients.

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/4777054002

Correction:The positive testers are being kept in Japan...

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flown-the-coop said:

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lunchbox said:

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Talked with a friend at church this morning who works in the Med Center (Houston). She said her hospital has multiple people in quarantine under observation but no confirmed tests yet.

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Were they authorized to disclose that information, because if not they should have honor and hand in their resignation.

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Lol, the TexAgs lawyers are out in force.

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Not a lawyer, but people speaking out of their hindside orifice particularly when the person is likely not completely informed and certainly not authorized to say anything then says it to someone who comes to a public forum to post this information creates disinformation and potential for hysteria and there should be a consequence for that.

What is being lost by the naysayers , those who pretend its harmless, is as I said previously : this virus is a military grade weapon that escaped from the L4 lab in China.

Thus, the reason even the U.S. is building quarantine camps and down playing what the future holds. It is going to run its course.

Chinese death toll is over 200,000.

54E.

Also, ~9MM die/yr in China. 200k is a slow month

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That's a stretch of the word "exponential". The growth rate, world wide and in China, seems to be slowing, especially if you take the plague ship numbers out.

Does your chart include the ship numbers?

Look at the numbers for "Cases Outside of China" about 1/2 of the way down this page. Convert the charts to logarithmic scale to see what the growth rates look like:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-cases/

Those aren't pictures on that site so I can't paste the actual graphs.

They haven't updated with yesterday's numbers, but do include the plague ship, I think. The graphs are reassuring even with the plague ship numbers.

But I agree with the above poster's questions. It's strange that there hasn't been hardly and spread, let alone exponential spread, in any western countries. Earlier, I thought that the UK was in big trouble. Maybe it's too early to start counting chickens, but it looks like the UK is controlling its cases pretty well. It even just released all but one of its confirmed cases, meaning that only 1 person in the UK is currently infected.

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I will be the first one to say we dodged a bullet if the #s look good outside of China at the end of the month. Unfortunately, I think there will be 100s of new confirmed cases by then in Singapore, Japan and Hong Kong at the very least.

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KidDoc said:

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Clearing up some bad info over the weekend:

Vitamin C and cold medication will do nothing to prevent pneumonia from any source.

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That's not what I said.

Taking vitamin C daily has been shown to reduce the duration and severity (but not the incidence) of the common cold. Assuming the mechanism is by "boosting the immune system" (as advertised in non-FDA-approved wording on the bottle), it is logical to infer that it would help with other viruses, too.

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Nothing is really proven to prevent pneumonia but malnutrition and immobility are significant risk factors as is smoking and asthma.

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Being in a weakened state due to having been sick recently is surely a risk factor. So minimizing your sickness before you get the coronavirus actually will improve your odds of not getting pneumonia.

I don't know the difference between pneumonia, pneumonitis, bronchitis, etc. But I know that allowing yourself to cough incessantly, without treating the symptom, can lead to inflammation (some sort of -itis).

And based on personal experience, I believe that aggressively medicating the early symptoms of a cold (e.g. runny nose with pseudoephedrine) can slow its spread, giving the immune system time to work before it spreads to other body systems (throat, lungs).

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Did you read the study you linked?
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The failure of vitamin C supplementation to reduce the incidence of colds in the general population indicates that routine vitamin C supplementation is not justified, yet vitamin C may be useful for people exposed to brief periods of severe physical exercise. Regular supplementation trials have shown that vitamin C reduces the duration of colds, but this was not replicated in the few therapeutic trials that have been carried out. Nevertheless, given the consistent effect of vitamin C on the duration and severity of colds in the regular supplementation studies, and the low cost and safety, it may be worthwhile for common cold patients to test on an individual basis whether therapeutic vitamin C is beneficial for them. Further therapeutic RCTs are warranted.
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Also your personal experience does not equate to medical evidence or fact. Feel free to medicate yourself out the wazoo but all the cough & cold medications have been shown to briefly improve symptoms in patients over 4 years or age but they have never been shown to decrease the risk of series morbidity like pneumonia with any viral infection.

Was the epicenter for either of those a few miles from the top bioweapon labratory of a corrupt government?

Did governments deny the existence of those epidemics for months until things got out of control?

Did those have behavioral properties abnormal in natural occurring viruses?

Again, not saying it definitely is a bioweapon, but there is a possibility.

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KorbinDallas said:

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lunchbox said:

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Talked with a friend at church this morning who works in the Med Center (Houston). She said her hospital has multiple people in quarantine under observation but no confirmed tests yet.

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Were they authorized to disclose that information, because if not they should have honor and hand in their resignation.

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Lol, the TexAgs lawyers are out in force.

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Not a lawyer, but people speaking out of their hindside orifice particularly when the person is likely not completely informed and certainly not authorized to say anything then says it to someone who comes to a public forum to post this information creates disinformation and potential for hysteria and there should be a consequence for that.

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I wouldn't say the health care workers actions equivalent to yelling "fire" in a crowded room my any means.

It doesn't surprise me at all that Houston has several people under observation. In fact I would be more surprised if they said there weren't any suspected cases. What is surprising about "'multiple" people from the 7 million person Houston metro area being suspected for COVID-19?

Is the Wuhan Coronavirus on a path to become like Dan and his Jeep trip, and be overhyped? Or are we just in the quiet period before the real storm erupts?

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Is the Wuhan Coronavirus on a path to become like Dan and his Jeep trip, and be overhyped? Or are we just in the quiet period before the real storm erupts?

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I really really hope it's overhyped. A true pandemic would suck.

Prime example of fear mongering video. Guy claims that his wife works at a hospital that has numerous Chinese patients with coronavirus in Buffalo, NY. No names divulged.



Of course, there is a possibility that he is correct, and the government is suppressing the disclosure. How could they cover it up, though? Hipaa laws? CDC directive?

Edit for tracking down Facebook post being removed. That appears to be factual.

AnScAggie said:

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Is the Wuhan Coronavirus on a path to become like Dan and his Jeep trip, and be overhyped? Or are we just in the quiet period before the real storm erupts?

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I'm hoping the global attention it is getting will help us Keep it under control and tamp it out fairly quickly. We don't need another widespread super flu making life miserable every time it flares up, and that's what this would be best case.