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The hysteria of the Chinese government just doesn't match the numbers.

They seem to be underreporting. A combination of state number fudging and a lack of test kits. The deaths are also underreported in relationship to their response. We heard days ago that people had their deaths classified as pneumonia, but likely had the virus. I don't really believe the dropping in the streets videos, but there has to be more to this.

We have seen cases pop up outside of China, but mostly from people who visited Wuhan. There doesn't seem to be a rash of people getting sick from those people, yet.

The pathway that was discussed early the virus took that is present in the Asian population, but less likely in others may be the key to the spread.

Currently my theory is they were working on vaccination of sorts to only protect their people. Somehow the vaccine backfired and did the opposite. It either escaped the lab through poor practices, was actually given to humans or some other way I have no clue if because my knowledge of biology and genetics is absolute crap.

An aside: One of the few classes that grossed me out was biology and our teacher also taught anatomy on the class before us. After that I refused to take biology or anatomy ever. All the other science classes I look in high school and college where chemistry and physics. I also took an atmospheric science class, but so determined it wasn't so much science as guesstimated models of the weather.

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Part of the reason this is overreacting was the SARS epidemic had a lot of public discontent due to the way the government handled it.
Brings back lots of memories for many Chinese about SARS, and that panic was mostly hysteria and fingerpointing.

This is the new way of fudging numbers, before they just would blanket censor.

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erudite,
You mean the italics does have some weight in China? The public can pressure the government and it not just get very ugly right away and they have a way to express ire that the Great Hall will listen to.

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Yes. This situation is different then SARS due to the political situation. Xi wishes for a complete grasp on power, but there is significant opposition in the CCP about it due to his handling of US-China relations. The whole I want to be Caesar does not help him.
The political situation is not good for Xi in my opinon. If someone wants to push him out it would be now over his handling of the issue. The last time the CCP was this fragment was in 1989 when they almost went to war with India but the student protests happened (Which caused a split between between reformers and hardliners). Deng was a hardliner and he was pushed out because of it by Jiang Zemin.

Another good example is the instability of the Cultural Revolution and the red guards - army - civilian - intellectual conflicts after the death of Mao. Hua Guofeng pushed out the gang of four but himself lost to Deng due to not having enough influence (Hua was pushed out due to being associated with the hard left and thus the gang of four).

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Ready some earlier posts about the Chinese mutating genes to target certain ethnicities...that's true. They are stealing 23 and me data along with others to target Caucasian genes and wipe us out if need be. Of course I'm sure we are doing the opposite.

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Almost positive this is tin foil stuff but that is a disturbing and terrifying thought to ponder and would make for a horrific novel. If our intelligence community ever caught wind of that, we would surely send a serious message right?

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That claim doesn't fit with the idea that there is no real difference at the genetic level. It would be a case of which claim is true? There is genetic difference, or isn't.

But not only does that sound tinfoil, it sounds especially so in China's case. They already have a huge number advantage and there actions are classically imperialist conventional. "Gut" says this is nothing so like that. A vaccine gone wrong sounds more probable.

If source said earlier is true about plants re-opening Feb 12, we will know by mid-month if China is starting to come out of it.

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There is a genetic difference, this is widely known among geneticist but the general public (both the left and the right) really doesn't like the idea because it's very non-PC.

From a disease standpoint this is why all of those European diseases devastated the New World while Europeans had some immunity. These things are widely known.

Anyone claiming otherwise is simply ignorant.

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I can see why they wouldn't like the idea, but this is exactly the kind of situation where a neutral stance demands that it be know if there is such a difference. As it could matter in this postulation. These days are willing to stipulate that there is a difference for purposes of analysis.

But on your latter -- isn't that equally likely to be due to the rather devastating fact that what is routine to one region because they have had it and developed anti-bodies, can be devastating to another that has never been exposed to it ? Not because of any real genetic difference, apart from that simply gained by having to live with it. Which is a bit different than an ethnic specific. You saw the problem on a smaller scale during the Crusades when diseases less common to a region were carried back and forth a bit.

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With regards to disease immunity, it is genetics once it happens over and over. Smallpox and the Plague ravaged Europe for hundreds to thousands of years, so it stands to reason that those who survive and reproduced were those who had innate immunity or resistance. Evolution works very quickly with disease outbreaks like this. Those that are susceptible die and those that are less likely to get the disease live on and reproduce.

Antibodies aren't passed on generation to generation like this except through mother's milk to babies, but that's not nearly as big of a deal as you think. Genetic resistance is far more important in these cases (e.g. genetic anemia in Africans for malaria resistance).

The authors are retracting the paper. More criticisms as well.

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This paper is fake. I aligned all 4 insertions. 3 of them share with BAT sars-like virus (GISAID no.: BetaCoV bat Yunnan-RaTG13 2013 EPI_ISL_402131). The fourth insertion (CTCCTCGGCGGG), which is the only one 2019-nCov specific insertion, has the best match to Marine virus AFVG_250M1136. Since the 2019-ncov outbreaks from the seafood market, the possibility of marine virus rcombination might be much more persuasive.

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I noticed that several people have pointed out that QHR63300.1 has all of the same insertions and is from Bat. Can anyone explain why this is the only Bat CoV with these insertions?
If you search for matches to QHR63300.1 the best hit by far is the Wuhan Seafood Market CoV, which infects humans.
It's also hard to understand why QHR63300.1 was uploaded 4 days ago (Jan 27, 2020) from Wuhan Institute of Virology.

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These short inserts do indeed exist in #nCoV2019 relative to its closest sequenced relative (BetaCoV/bat/Yunnan/RaTG13/2013, seen here https://nextstrain.org/groups/blab/sars-like-cov ). However, a simple BLAST of such short sequences shows match to a huge variety of organisms. No reason to conclude HIV.

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In the supplemental Fig S2, the author mentioned that "the Bat-SARS Like CoV in the last row shows that insert 1 and 4 is very unique to Wuhan 2019-nCoV". In fact, the Bat-SARS Like CoV, discovered in 2013, contains all the four insertions. Insertion 2 and 3 of 2019-nCoV are identical to Bat-SARS Like CoV. Insertion 1 involves two synonymous and one Thr-Ile mutation. Insertion 4 contains one synonymous mutation and a 12-bp insertion. Therefore, the two viruses have very high sequence similarity, and are likely evolutionarily related, naturally. Indeed, the four identified insertions are the result of the pair-wise comparison of Wuhan 2019-nCoV and 2013 SARS virus (Fig 1), and are an artifact when comparing only two viruses. The 'insertions' regions also appear in other coronavirus, as indicated in the multiple comparison in Fig.S1, possibly functionally important.

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In supporting the previous comment from Jason Weir: the alignement of the spike protein of the novel Coronavirus (protein ID QHD43416) with the bat spike protein mentioned by Jason Weir shows very high conservation (see attached image), particularly also in regards to the claimed "inserts" in Figure 2 of the preprint. This makes the bat Coronavirus a much more likely origin than the proposed connection to HIV.

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I performed an alignement of these sequences and indeed found that these 4 insertions mentioned in the preprint are real. However I blasted each of these insertions to the non-redundant protein database and found over 100 hits for every single of these 4 insertions. The hits are others coronaviruses, plants, parasites, bacteria. This indicates the hits to HIV seems fortuitous and the evolutionary link between 2019-nCoV and HIV is to me not ascertained. Additionally, the authors in the manuscripts did not provide a e.value for their findings, nor they have explained in their methodology why they restricted their search for viral genomes only and not others organisms. Therefore I would argue that the results presented do not appear "uncanny" to me based on a flawed methodology. Therefore the results presented in this paper should be taken very cautiously.

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This is a really dumb study and these scientists should be ashamed. Those amino acids are so short. They just went and looked for a virus to match. You can go and blast the amino acids yourself. Just copy and paste from the journal entry into NCBIs BLASTp. I did it and there's hundreds of matches to those sequences. HIV didn't even come up in the first 100. The 4th residue is missing like 6 amino acids. There are conserved regions in viruses. Their "gp120" match compares 6 amino acids out of 850 in the whole protein for example.
They found 4 sections that were in the new virus but not SARS. They then took these differences and ran them against all known viral proteins. They only looked at proteins with 100% matches, but if you look at the table they didn't match 100% for alignment. So like one is ABCEFG and they match it to an HIV protein that is ABCXYZEFG and they are calling those total matches. There's also tons of viruses that match these tiny sequences, they just noticed all 4 have HIV matches so they ignore the other matches and only looked at HIV.
Go blast it yourself if you want.
These would be their blastp results if you don't exclude the vast majority of known proteins:
"GTNGTKR" https://blast.ncbi.nlm.nih....
"HKNNKS" https://blast.ncbi.nlm.nih....
"GDSSSG" https://blast.ncbi.nlm.nih....
"QTNSPRRA" https://blast.ncbi.nlm.nih....
You can look for significant virus hits yourself though by clicking on my blast results and filtering for "viruses" (you'll see that they don't hit HIV, nor any other virus). The reason for not reproducing their results is that when you consider the whole protein sequence space, the hits for viruses are too random to be significant.
But, if you insisted to repeating the searches only within viruses, here are the blastp results
only looking for "Viruses (taxid:10239)" as Organism:
"GTNGTKR" https://blast.ncbi.nlm.nih....
Here is a HIV hit, BUT the number of expected random hits for this kind of similarity is 224, which is incredibly high.
"HKNNKS" https://blast.ncbi.nlm.nih....
Here is an HIV hit, but similar likely is a Bat coronavirus, a Tupanvirus, and a Herpesvirus; it is expected to find 86 similar sequences by chance.
"GDSSSG" https://blast.ncbi.nlm.nih....
There are over 1000 expected random hits for this sequence! And even then, the list is lead by a Hepatitis E virus, an Edafosvirus, a Bat coronavirus, some ****es and Hepatitis B virus.
"QTNSPRRA" https://blast.ncbi.nlm.nih....
No HIV seen. However there are some ****es, a papillomavirus ...
There's just no sense to it, this is pseudo-science.

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This is a preliminary study. Considering the grave situation, it was shared in BioRxiv as soon as possible to have creative discussion on the fast evolution of SARS-like corona viruses. It was not our intention to feed into the conspiracy theories and no such claims are made here. While we appreciate the criticisms and comments provided by scientific colleagues at BioRxiv forum and elsewhere, the story has been differently interpreted and shared by social media and news platforms. We have positively received all criticisms and comments. To avoid further misinterpretation and confusions world-over, we have decided to withdraw the current version of the preprint and will get back with a revised version after reanalysis, addressing the comments and concerns. Thank you to all who contributed in this open-review process.

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My understanding is that martial law, even then, does not allow for dispensing of ammunition.
Back in 89' a lot of the soldiers were sent in without bullets. Those were the ones civvies ended up killing in retaliation for the massacre.

If they have not changed the regulation (Possible, since self defense law amended in 2012). Authorization comes from the division level commander and he is held accountable. They usually give three warnings, a warning shot and then neutralize the target. Not like American cops. I have been told some (?) even where element cams and its reviewed right after the incident.

This however is a counterexample in the Kunming railway station incident:
(NSFW, don't watch if you want to see people shot or getting hacked by machetes)
https://www.youtube *(dot)*com/watch?v=XSHOZXoHXL0&has_verified=1

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DAMN!!!!! The ccp don't mess around.

#8 US case in Boston

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My understanding is that martial law, even then, does not allow for dispensing of ammunition.

Back in 89' a lot of the soldiers were sent in without bullets. Those were the ones civvies ended up killing in retaliation for the massacre.

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Very briefly, don't want to divert thread, what is your understanding the final casualty count came to from the June '89 event in the square? How many did the govt troops kill, and how many of them did irate civilians kill? Just those figures. Vividly remember the Tiannanmen demonstrations and the crack-down, but that was pre-Internet, and a certain haze on details never did go away and then it became eclipsed by the Berlin Wall coming down later same year.

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I am, unsure. I was not around for it. But several of family/friends was around. The number is certainly much higher body count on both sides. A lot of the protesters were from outside of Beijing. You must also factor in the internal power struggle of the CCP at the time, since they were preparing to fight another war with India over disputed territory on the McMahon line.

I cannot speak for other cities but I am aware that other crackdowns occurred. I am not sure if they used weapons, however.

I know earlier on June 3rd, many of the local residents that were not students tried to halt the advance of the army in from the west repeatedly by blocking bridges. From what I know they were not harmed but begged the soldiers to not kill the students.

My family knew someone who survived the massacre. He was an athletic student (in track). Started running when the shooting started and had to run over several bodies of people who had fell from being shot before hiding in a locals house in a Hutong for two weeks (They conducted door to door searches). He said that he could see people in front of him falling over from getting shot, and he was in the middle of the crowd. Another person who was near the end (closer to army) played dead and survived somehow. I know that they had mass executions during this time because one of my uncles was executed. When they kept telling my aunt to divorce him but wouldn't say a reason, we all knew he got the firing squad (They admitted to executing him in the late 2000s). Many of the wounded never went to a hospital. I would say the official death toll is not accurate, but 10,000 is absurdly high. From what I was told the on the ground estimate is in the area 2-6 thousand wounded and 1-3k dead right after the shooting. I do not know the number executed later on. The reason I do not know specifics is that back then, the trains tickets could be forged easily or if you could dodge the conductors it is okay, so the numbers of the students traveling to join is not accurate.

On the same note there was an army mutiny of one of the divisions. There is a story (I don't have photo evidence.. Sorry), of an entire platoon of soldiers being massacred (most were hung from the N. 2nd ring road bridge or their heads decapitated and put on the bridge railing pillars) because they were not issued bullets and local civilians murdering soldiers who had fake guns (yes, that is what said).
I would estimate dead soldiers from 50-100.

What you should realize that the leaders of the protests are viewed very unfavorably by most Chinese overseas due to them fleeing to America. In China most regular people have them labeled as "instigators / counter-revolutionaries (Implying can still be re-educated and were being used)". Among the overseas population that I know they refer to them as "wayward dogs of the CIA/ traitors".

Double edit: I should mention that the people who were there generally did not have a good view of the massacre due to the fact the roads they escaped from are winding and cramped, so it is hard to see the whole event. A good friend of mine had a family member working the international hotel for foreigners on the top floor when the shooting started. They refuse to even mention it.

Third edit: I should say these are only confirmation bias and antidote. Nobody but high level CCP officials know the true number, its a tightly kept secrets like US nuclear authentication codes.

edudite,

Thanks very much, very revealing.

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What you should realize that the leaders of the protests are viewed very unfavorably by most Chinese overseas due to them fleeing to America. In China most regular people have them labeled as "instigators / counter-revolutionaries (Implying can still be re-educated and were being used)". Among the overseas population that I know they refer to them as "wayward dogs of the CIA/ traitors".

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Ah, I could see that.And erecting that statue could not have helped. In fact when it was happening it was really interesting how much time the regime took before biting---they actually gave more slack than expected--but I knew the blade was coming when that event (liberty statue) happened. What really surprises is the idea that war with India was being seriously contemplated. That could have changed everything that happened in the world. A ground war between nuclear armed powers? But before the Berlin Wall fell? That protest whatever its results may have been more importantly timed than any realize.

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Double edit: I should mention that the people who were there generally did not have a good view of the massacre due to the fact the roads they escaped from are winding and cramped, so it is hard to see the whole event. A good friend of mine had a family member working the international hotel for foreigners on the top floor when the shooting started. They refuse to even mention it.

Third edit: I should say these are only confirmation bias and antidote. Nobody but high level CCP officials know the true number, its a tightly kept secrets like US nuclear authentication codes.

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This makes plenty of sense given the kind of ramps and avenues of approach. And this is before the age where cell phones on the ground might have captured far more. Thanks again.

The roads even today, are so cramped you can barely fit two people through them.
I do not think cell phones would have much impact as you can barely fit in them, and with frequent turns they are hard to maneuver a camera in.

Back onto topic. The reason I say there is a political struggle over this outbreak is that Xi's powerbase is with the military and administration in NORTHERN China and along the Hexi coridor. Wuhan is far from his regional powerbase. It actually is closer to his former (and still) rival's Bo Xilai's base in Chongqing. If the outbreak was accidental in northern China, I would expect much faster containment since Xi has very close allies he cannot to afford to lose in his powerbase.

It's kind of like how a Democratic president must cater to Cali and the dem strongholds.

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The roads even today, are so cramped you can barely fit two people through them.
I do not think cell phones would have much impact as you can barely fit in them, and with frequent turns they are hard to maneuver a camera in.

Back onto topic. The reason I say there is a political struggle over this outbreak is that Xi's powerbase is with the military and administration in NORTHERN China and along the Hexi coridor. Wuhan is far from his regional powerbase. It actually is closer to his former (and still) rival's Bo Xilai's base in Chongqing. If the outbreak was accidental in northern China, I would expect much faster containment since Xi has very close allies he cannot to afford to lose in his powerbase.

It's kind of like how a Democratic president must cater to Cali and the dem strongholds.

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Ah-ha! Yessss... that sheds much light. So this outbreak can end up having political ramifications beyond just public mad at government -- the standard --- but even on the hidden competing bases of power and rivalries that exist in any regime.

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The roads even today, are so cramped you can barely fit two people through them.
I do not think cell phones would have much impact as you can barely fit in them, and with frequent turns they are hard to maneuver a camera in.

Back onto topic. The reason I say there is a political struggle over this outbreak is that Xi's powerbase is with the military and administration in NORTHERN China and along the Hexi coridor. Wuhan is far from his regional powerbase. It actually is closer to his former (and still) rival's Bo Xilai's base in Chongqing. If the outbreak was accidental in northern China, I would expect much faster containment since Xi has very close allies he cannot to afford to lose in his powerbase.

It's kind of like how a Democratic president must cater to Cali and the dem strongholds.

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Ah-ha! Yessss... that sheds much light. So this outbreak can end up having political ramifications beyond just public mad at government -- the standard --- but even on the hidden competing bases of power and rivalries that exist in any regime.

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The resignation/firing of several local officials points to multiple power plays at the same time. Definitely by Xi, perhaps by others. We do not know because we are not privy to the inner discussions.

Watch for, very closely the resignations of either the Hubei party secretary/ defense generals/ top national officials.
Usually in China when the leader resigns, the rest are forcibly "retired".

Double edit: I think most Americans do not realize the importance of Xi, both good and bad, to the state of the CCP and the PRC as a whole.

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The roads even today, are so cramped you can barely fit two people through them.
I do not think cell phones would have much impact as you can barely fit in them, and with frequent turns they are hard to maneuver a camera in.

Back onto topic. The reason I say there is a political struggle over this outbreak is that Xi's powerbase is with the military and administration in NORTHERN China and along the Hexi coridor. Wuhan is far from his regional powerbase. It actually is closer to his former (and still) rival's Bo Xilai's base in Chongqing. If the outbreak was accidental in northern China, I would expect much faster containment since Xi has very close allies he cannot to afford to lose in his powerbase.

It's kind of like how a Democratic president must cater to Cali and the dem strongholds.

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So what you are saying is...
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Perhaps, he certainly cares LESS about them unless he can get enough public support to oust lower level officials who can then vote on the nominations for party secretary.

Xi's projects have been mainly to improve water access to northern China from diverting the overabundance of water in South China. It remains to be seen if the south approves of these actions.

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The authors are retracting the paper. More criticisms as well.

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This paper is fake. I aligned all 4 insertions. 3 of them share with BAT sars-like virus (GISAID no.: BetaCoV bat Yunnan-RaTG13 2013 EPI_ISL_402131). The fourth insertion (CTCCTCGGCGGG), which is the only one 2019-nCov specific insertion, has the best match to Marine virus AFVG_250M1136. Since the 2019-ncov outbreaks from the seafood market, the possibility of marine virus rcombination might be much more persuasive.

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I noticed that several people have pointed out that QHR63300.1 has all of the same insertions and is from Bat. Can anyone explain why this is the only Bat CoV with these insertions?
If you search for matches to QHR63300.1 the best hit by far is the Wuhan Seafood Market CoV, which infects humans.
It's also hard to understand why QHR63300.1 was uploaded 4 days ago (Jan 27, 2020) from Wuhan Institute of Virology.

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These short inserts do indeed exist in #nCoV2019 relative to its closest sequenced relative (BetaCoV/bat/Yunnan/RaTG13/2013, seen here https://nextstrain.org/groups/blab/sars-like-cov ). However, a simple BLAST of such short sequences shows match to a huge variety of organisms. No reason to conclude HIV.

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In the supplemental Fig S2, the author mentioned that "the Bat-SARS Like CoV in the last row shows that insert 1 and 4 is very unique to Wuhan 2019-nCoV". In fact, the Bat-SARS Like CoV, discovered in 2013, contains all the four insertions. Insertion 2 and 3 of 2019-nCoV are identical to Bat-SARS Like CoV. Insertion 1 involves two synonymous and one Thr-Ile mutation. Insertion 4 contains one synonymous mutation and a 12-bp insertion. Therefore, the two viruses have very high sequence similarity, and are likely evolutionarily related, naturally. Indeed, the four identified insertions are the result of the pair-wise comparison of Wuhan 2019-nCoV and 2013 SARS virus (Fig 1), and are an artifact when comparing only two viruses. The 'insertions' regions also appear in other coronavirus, as indicated in the multiple comparison in Fig.S1, possibly functionally important.

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In supporting the previous comment from Jason Weir: the alignement of the spike protein of the novel Coronavirus (protein ID QHD43416) with the bat spike protein mentioned by Jason Weir shows very high conservation (see attached image), particularly also in regards to the claimed "inserts" in Figure 2 of the preprint. This makes the bat Coronavirus a much more likely origin than the proposed connection to HIV.

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I performed an alignement of these sequences and indeed found that these 4 insertions mentioned in the preprint are real. However I blasted each of these insertions to the non-redundant protein database and found over 100 hits for every single of these 4 insertions. The hits are others coronaviruses, plants, parasites, bacteria. This indicates the hits to HIV seems fortuitous and the evolutionary link between 2019-nCoV and HIV is to me not ascertained. Additionally, the authors in the manuscripts did not provide a e.value for their findings, nor they have explained in their methodology why they restricted their search for viral genomes only and not others organisms. Therefore I would argue that the results presented do not appear "uncanny" to me based on a flawed methodology. Therefore the results presented in this paper should be taken very cautiously.

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This is a really dumb study and these scientists should be ashamed. Those amino acids are so short. They just went and looked for a virus to match. You can go and blast the amino acids yourself. Just copy and paste from the journal entry into NCBIs BLASTp. I did it and there's hundreds of matches to those sequences. HIV didn't even come up in the first 100. The 4th residue is missing like 6 amino acids. There are conserved regions in viruses. Their "gp120" match compares 6 amino acids out of 850 in the whole protein for example.
They found 4 sections that were in the new virus but not SARS. They then took these differences and ran them against all known viral proteins. They only looked at proteins with 100% matches, but if you look at the table they didn't match 100% for alignment. So like one is ABCEFG and they match it to an HIV protein that is ABCXYZEFG and they are calling those total matches. There's also tons of viruses that match these tiny sequences, they just noticed all 4 have HIV matches so they ignore the other matches and only looked at HIV.
Go blast it yourself if you want.
These would be their blastp results if you don't exclude the vast majority of known proteins:
"GTNGTKR" https://blast.ncbi.nlm.nih....
"HKNNKS" https://blast.ncbi.nlm.nih....
"GDSSSG" https://blast.ncbi.nlm.nih....
"QTNSPRRA" https://blast.ncbi.nlm.nih....
You can look for significant virus hits yourself though by clicking on my blast results and filtering for "viruses" (you'll see that they don't hit HIV, nor any other virus). The reason for not reproducing their results is that when you consider the whole protein sequence space, the hits for viruses are too random to be significant.
But, if you insisted to repeating the searches only within viruses, here are the blastp results
only looking for "Viruses (taxid:10239)" as Organism:
"GTNGTKR" https://blast.ncbi.nlm.nih....
Here is a HIV hit, BUT the number of expected random hits for this kind of similarity is 224, which is incredibly high.
"HKNNKS" https://blast.ncbi.nlm.nih....
Here is an HIV hit, but similar likely is a Bat coronavirus, a Tupanvirus, and a Herpesvirus; it is expected to find 86 similar sequences by chance.
"GDSSSG" https://blast.ncbi.nlm.nih....
There are over 1000 expected random hits for this sequence! And even then, the list is lead by a Hepatitis E virus, an Edafosvirus, a Bat coronavirus, some ****es and Hepatitis B virus.
"QTNSPRRA" https://blast.ncbi.nlm.nih....
No HIV seen. However there are some ****es, a papillomavirus ...
There's just no sense to it, this is pseudo-science.

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This is a preliminary study. Considering the grave situation, it was shared in BioRxiv as soon as possible to have creative discussion on the fast evolution of SARS-like corona viruses. It was not our intention to feed into the conspiracy theories and no such claims are made here. While we appreciate the criticisms and comments provided by scientific colleagues at BioRxiv forum and elsewhere, the story has been differently interpreted and shared by social media and news platforms. We have positively received all criticisms and comments. To avoid further misinterpretation and confusions world-over, we have decided to withdraw the current version of the preprint and will get back with a revised version after reanalysis, addressing the comments and concerns. Thank you to all who contributed in this open-review process.

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Good to see the scientific community fact check the paper so quickly and that it has been retracted. It was extremely dishonest of the authors to attribute the insertions to HIV if there were numerous other matches, and assert that CoV 2019 was novel in containing them when it appears that is also not the case. Classic case of cherry picking data to assert significant conclusions, and it's bad science.

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Looks like the guy that made this video has been found and they breached his apartment to take him into custody.

I cannot confirm this...maybe someone else can.

If it is confirmed, now we know why we aren't hearing about more deaths...

Posted today.

Could we get a translation?

I can't do it....just found it on Facebook. Would need to show both to my grad student.


On a separate note, people are seeing more LOADED guns in Wuhan.

Commentary saying, "People are sick, not rioting. Why the loaded guns?"

Also, all of the comments say these are police, not Doctors.

Worse to come?

Those aren't doctors according to that video...

I just edited it for that clarification.

Thank you.

Was hoping Eurdite might translate. Couldn't find his translation thread.

Open the video in Youtube and click on closed caption and select translate to English

The hysteria on this is starting to really get out of hand. Doctors with guns. Good grief.

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Damn, right out of a movie. Every line. "You are sick...I'm not sick...You are sick, let us help you....**** You, I'm not sick...We are going to "help you".

Damn.

The man is complaining that his temperature was fine when taken at the hospital because the other person is attempting to take his temperature (Since he was at the hospital), saying he may have been infected. Health official is saying that "he did not take adequate (prevention) measures". He complains that he is showing the truth and should not be censored. He asks for the name id number and division this man comes from and gets no answer. Ends up being back and forth bickering about his temperature.

In other-words this dude is a dumbass if he did shoot the video, and a dumbass even if he didn't and shot himself in the foot.
Edit: Grammar

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I can't do it....just found it on Facebook. Would need to show both to my grad student.


On a separate note, people are seeing more LOADED guns in Wuhan.

Commentary saying, "People are sick, not rioting. Why the loaded guns?"

Also, all of the comments say these are police, not Doctors.

Worse to come?

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Those are PAP.
See the # that starts with a G and the lettering on the car? It reads Public Security Bureau and the G stands for the identifier of the agency. F stands for Ministry of Justice, J stands for Supreme People's Procuratorate (Think District Attorney). WJ stands for MAA/MP for the armed forces.

Do be advised these are not regular cops. Regular cops have the words "POLICE" written on the car instead but still have the G# hash. These are you higher level provincial officials/county dudes. Think Brazos Constable instead of pd.

Most likely these are People's Armed Police paramilitary units, most likely Internal Guard Troops as regular pd is NOT allowed to carry firearms except in Tibet/Xinjiang/Beijing (Not always for Beijing). They are a mix of National guard, SF, and policing functions.
I believe the translation would be Gendarmerie.


It should not be confused with Public Security Bureau since they also carry the G hash but use the words ("Public Safety Bureau" instead). Security Bureau is equivalent to FBI/DIA (Russian FSB) and is termed the MSS (Ministry of State Security).

Double edit: MSS isn't involved in this because they are too busy protecting leaders/ state secrets. They don't usually get involved with civilian stuff, more like counter espionage and bodyguard work.
Another edit: MGB is the MSS equivalent in the USSR.

Testing someone in NYC

Disclaimer: I'm not trying to spread fear just posting the article below as something to note as this story develops over the course of time I recommend gathering your own data as this goes along. Don't pay attention to headlines ( they are meant to attract eyes) research/digest/analyze the author/source and the information presented. Then decide what to do.

For example:


Fear Of The Coronavirus Is Spreading Like Wildfire All Over The Globe

Michael Snyder - Economic Collapse Blog posted on Zerohedge

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We haven't seen an outbreak like this in any of our lifetimes, and it is really starting to frighten a whole lot of people. This virus has an incubation period of up to 14 days, it spreads very easily from person to person, and it also appears to be mutating very rapidly. For now, the vast majority of the confirmed cases are still in China, but the virus continues to pop up in more locations around the globe....


Meanwhile, fear is also spreading rapidly in parts of the globe where only a few cases have been confirmed so far.

In the United Kingdom, surgical masks are almost totally sold out at this point. The following comes from Paul Joseph Watson

Surgical masks have almost sold out across the United Kingdom over fears of coronavirus despite the fact that there hasn't been a single confirmed case of it in the country.

Pharmacy retailer Boots says that its six-pack of "safe & sound" surgical face masks is sold out, as is another box of 50 masks.

The company said it was "working to make additional stock available for customers to purchase in store and on boots.com which we hope will land over the next week."

Of course a case has now been confirmed in the U.K., and that is only going to make the fear even worse.

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I was at Home Depot in DFW today w a sign that was handwritten stating "limit 10 per customer" for the N95 masks.
Does that mean people in DFW are panicked? Maybe, right?

Well not really, I also have a friend who is a small distributor of cleaning products. A law firm client with offices in Taiwan, called early this week saying they would buy anything she could get her hands on SO that they could send them to Taiwan.

In my friends case, it's capitalism, not panic. I'm sure the same is true around the US. But headlines prevail sometimes.....


On the other hand IMO everyone should be vigilant in light of what's going on. I'm in a holding pattern waiting on what I think are the key indicators to take further actions.

Those are:

- watching for signs of wide spread panic buying of groceries and supplies.
- continued exponentially growth of cases and spread around the globe.
- financial markets massively tanking. Friday's 600 pts down was expected however I have my personal way points for this coming week. Such as Market limit downs/stops in trading as circuit breakers kick in are big keys not just for NYSE but for markets around the world. We are going to see a lot of red numbers this week How bad? Who knows?

There aren't armed doctors running around with guns holding people at gun point. This virus wasn't genetically engineered version of the AIDS virus. The hysteria on the internet is out of control.

There's no brexit news right now. Oh wait when did the UK leave?

Thats why.

Shanked Punt said:

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There aren't armed doctors running around with guns holding people at gun point. This virus wasn't genetically engineered version of the AIDS virus. The hysteria on the internet is out of control.

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To make it sound that this is the main message across social media right now is a bold faced lie. Oh wait it's the board Dem ring leader. If the shoe fits?

Shanked Punt said:

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/01/coronavirus-weaponised-way-to-be-openly-racist

Here is a great column in The Guardian today over how this virus is being used as an excuse for people to be openly racist. This would be the greatest tragedy of all of this.

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Dr Zhou had just arrived at Gatwick airport last week when a British couple physically recoiled as she entered a lift. "The woman looked at me, quickly turned to her husband and told him 'they should wear their masks'," she said. "They assumed I didn't understand English, that I was 'fresh off the boat' and that I probably had coronavirus." Humiliated, Zhou a scientist who was travelling from London to Slovenia stood in uncomfortable silence.
"I do give people the benefit of doubt because they're scared, but why can't they give me the benefit of doubt? Fear is no reason to be racist. Statistically, as a British citizen who hasn't been to China in two years, I have the same risk level as a white person."

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Ah, yes, some justified profiling is worse than a few hundred dead and a potential pandemic. Sounds about right.