Mandatory US quarantine for anyone traveling in from Huebei in last 14 days

foleyt said:

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Mandatory US quarantine for anyone traveling in from Huebei in last 14 days

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How do you enforce that?

yukmonkey said:

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foleyt said:

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Mandatory US quarantine for anyone traveling in from Huebei in last 14 days

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How do you enforce that?

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I was wondering the same thing. The traveler would have to self-report...especially since the flights from China are pretty much halted.

CDC Confirms asymptomatic transfer of virus.

Singapore used to be part of Malaysia, was a British colonial seat for a century, and is populated by 60% ethnic Chinese, and has loads of people from all over Asia plus lots of American, Australian, New Zealand, and British Expats due to the roughly democratic government and English National language.

There is very much a Chinese cultural influence but it's also very British still in style of governance and aspects of culture. A westerner such as myself is quite comfortable there, but someone from China or India would be pretty comfortable too. In regards to food, you get choices from all the big international and regional chains, plus all the ethnic style markets, but generally speaking they have more or less western inspection regimens and standards, though it can get pretty sketchy in the canteens towards the poorer or more industrialized areas. The locals we worked with didn't seem too bothered and nobody was preparing anything truly weird anywhere. I think access to properly inspected, sourced, and properly maintained foodstuffs and an economy that is good enough to keep even the poorest from wanting to resort to questionable food safety keeps things pretty safe overall.

If you want to safely and easily dip your toe into a lot of Asia at one place on very easy terms, Singapore is a pretty good place to try.

It is brutally humid though. Relentlessly so, being basically on the equator.

On topic, Singapore will close itself up at the drop of a hat to preserve public health and order.

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erudite said:

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Redstone said:

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Scientific paper please.

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Expert saying:

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This is not a real publication.

Biorxiv is a site you can put anything up on

If you want actual papers, go to PubMed

Here is a real publication:
https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0140-6736%2820%2930211-7

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I asked my expert: Thanks for the paper...but hypothetically, what if the sequence is accurate and there are HIV insertions?

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No, it isn't, neither are any of the conclusions.

Once again, this is fiction.

Use good sources, get good information

Crap in, crap out

But there is so much bad information

Just use PubMed and top journals, not Twitter

You will get more useful information

There is a lot of crap, even in PubMed.

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Wuhan was working on this very stuff just last year. This guy called it a few days ago.

scottimus said:

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tsuag10 said:

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I think it's an illustration of DNA.
Biochemists can correct me if I'm wrong.

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It's a computer model of the replicated sequence they are analyzing.

Think of it as a CAD for a virus.

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Good explanation. Thanks

Wasn't sure if this was shared yet. It's in regards to the Harvard person, but also talks about A&M

https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinas-funding-of-u-s-researchers-raises-red-flags-11580428915

****, I am going to send it to him.

On MedPub too!

Also,

I am pretty darn sure the CDC just admitted they can't full test this thing yet.

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We have done virus isolation, but I want to be clear. The current test we have developed, at CDC , is not...we are not sure of the actual history of how the virus is isolated. You isolate it one day and three days later you can't. We are seen cases in the hospital, we are seeing case where people had detectable virus...and then they didn't have detectable virus...and three days later they had detectable virus. We are using the virus cultures now, more to learn about this virus.

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All I am saying is that we have a lot of students from Wuhan...

Nuclear Scramjet said:

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scottimus said:

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scottimus said:

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erudite said:

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Redstone said:

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Scientific paper please.

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Expert saying:

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This is not a real publication.

Biorxiv is a site you can put anything up on

If you want actual papers, go to PubMed

Here is a real publication:
https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0140-6736%2820%2930211-7

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I asked my expert: Thanks for the paper...but hypothetically, what if the sequence is accurate and there are HIV insertions?

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No, it isn't, neither are any of the conclusions.

Once again, this is fiction.

Use good sources, get good information

Crap in, crap out

But there is so much bad information

Just use PubMed and top journals, not Twitter

You will get more useful information

There is a lot of crap, even in PubMed.

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Wuhan was working on this very stuff just last year. This guy called it a few days ago.

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That speculation is crazy, but since he was calling HIV last week when everyone else was talking about eating snakes, I'll consider it with a grain of salt.

If that is accurate, that would explain why the government tried to cover up the outbreak for a month and throw a huge Guinness record festival in Wuhan to infect as many people as possible (thinking it would make them more resilient). After they realized it was not working and killing people, they went into massive reaction and quarantined everything right before New Years.

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fullback44 said:

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Bobcat06 said:

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Bought a months supply of groceries, medicine and extra masks tonight.

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Same here, already Bought 4-5 months of dry good and canned vegetables and plenty of seeds for a garden... it may be time to head out to the ranch and get away from the crowds real soon... was thinking about electricity ideas if power went out but I don't see power going out

always wanted to see how long I could live off the deer and hogs... may need to take out one of those 450 lbs calves we have.. bbq everyday!

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How are you going to handle the influx of city people requesting to come stay with you if SHTF?

I've already had the conversation w one friend. Told her to find other accommodations if/when things go south. My family coming from the city get first dibs. It wasn't a good feeling.

Truth be told, I've got a list in my head of those that I will take their call and those that I won't. It makes me ill, but reality is finite/limited resources means tough decisions.

I had a conversation w another friend (married mid 30s) over a couple beers. When this virus thing was just getting rolling, I asked him what he do it a worst case. He admitted that w/o Uber eats he and his wife were screwed. Smart guy but zero common sense. Needless to say he's not on my invite list.

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We have 1600 acres.. if they want to bring an rv and post up on the back 40 somewhere we have some room .. I don't think all "friends" would want to be in the middle of no where .. a few at best

My layman's understanding is that the main port of entry is CDRA 4 in the T cell.
Some people (mainly white northern Europeans) don't have it. Increases chance for other issues but blocks main route of entry.
There is another entry route through AD something that cannot be removed.

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U.S. citizens returning from Hubei province in the previous 14 days will be subject to up to a 14-day quarantine. Foreign nationals, other than immediate family members of U.S. citizens, who have traveled to China in the previous 14 days will be denied entry into the country. The temporary measures take effect Feb. 2 at 5 p.m.

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SOURCE: https://abcnews.go.com/Health/delta-suspends-us-flights-china-amid-coronavirus/story?id=68666037&cid=social_twitter_abcn

Oh lawd, time to make another run to costco.

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Possible coronavirus case turns up in Dallas, assistant city manager says

A patient is hospitalized at Parkland Memorial Hospital with possible coronavirus, Dallas Assistant City Manager Jon Fortune said Friday.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2020/01/31/suspected-coronavirus-case-turns-up-in-dallas-assistant-city-manager-says/

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China Totals

11,145 cases
258 deaths
1,527 serious
171 recovered
15,238 suspected

erudite said:

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My layman's understanding is that the main port of entry is CDRA 4 in the T cell.
Some people (mainly white northern Europeans) don't have it. Increases chance for other issues but blocks main route of entry.
There is another entry route through AD something that cannot be removed.

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Not that I want everyone else to get sick, but if true being of pasty white European descent will actually be a benefit health wise.

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Mr.Infectious said:

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Bobcat06 said:

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Bought a months supply of groceries, medicine and extra masks tonight.

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Same here, already Bought 4-5 months of dry good and canned vegetables and plenty of seeds for a garden... it may be time to head out to the ranch and get away from the crowds real soon... was thinking about electricity ideas if power went out but I don't see power going out

always wanted to see how long I could live off the deer and hogs... may need to take out one of those 450 lbs calves we have.. bbq everyday!

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How are you going to handle the influx of city people requesting to come stay with you if SHTF?

I've already had the conversation w one friend. Told her to find other accommodations if/when things go south. My family coming from the city get first dibs. It wasn't a good feeling.

Truth be told, I've got a list in my head of those that I will take their call and those that I won't. It makes me ill, but reality is finite/limited resources means tough decisions.

I had a conversation w another friend (married mid 30s) over a couple beers. When this virus thing was just getting rolling, I asked him what he do it a worst case. He admitted that w/o Uber eats he and his wife were screwed. Smart guy but zero common sense. Needless to say he's not on my invite list.

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We have 1600 acres.. if they want to bring an rv and post up on the back 40 somewhere we have some room .. I don't think all "friends" would want to be in the middle of no where .. a few at best

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I'm only at a few hundred acres. But got plenty of food water and supplies. I'll take a couple fam in and some friends that I know would be productive in case of a fight or prolonged societal meltdown. Obviously if this thing were to go long enough I will need help going to "procure" more supplies.

Essentially I'm thinking a gang of sorts. Let's hope this thing peters out and nothing drastic has to happen.

VaultingChemist said:

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China Totals

11,145 cases
258 deaths
1,527 serious
171 recovered
15,238 suspected

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That recovered number isn't good. Taking several weeks for people to recover.

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That speculation is crazy, but since he was calling HIV last week when everyone else was talking about eating snakes, I'll consider it with a grain of salt.

If that is accurate, that would explain why the government tried to cover up the outbreak for a month and throw a huge Guinness record festival in Wuhan to infect as many people as possible (thinking it would make them more resilient). After they realized it was not working and killing people, they went into massive reaction and quarantined everything right before New Years.

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"Okay, well, sometimes science is more art than science, Morty. A lot of people don't get that."

- Rick Sanchez

scottimus said:

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tsuag10 said:

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I think it's an illustration of DNA.
Biochemists can correct me if I'm wrong.

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It's a computer model of the replicated sequence they are analyzing.

Think of it as a CAD for a virus.

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More specifically, it's a 3D model of the viral glycoproteins that shows how all the amino acid groups (residues) fold and attach to each other to form a protein structure.

Glycoproteins are what allow a virus to attach to and enter cells to infect. The figure shows a side by side view of these proteins for the Coronavirus and HIV, where you can see some groups that have a lot of similarity between the two.

StrickAggie06 said:

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scottimus said:

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tsuag10 said:

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I think it's an illustration of DNA.
Biochemists can correct me if I'm wrong.

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It's a computer model of the replicated sequence they are analyzing.

Think of it as a CAD for a virus.

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More specifically, it's a 3D model of the viral glycoproteins that shows how all the amino acid groups (residues) fold and attach to each other to form a protein structure.

Glycoproteins are what allow a virus to attach to and enter cells to infect. The figure shows a side by side view of these proteins for the Coronavirus and HIV, where you can see some groups that have a lot of similarity between the two.

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So it is like inventor for viruses? Lol. Jk, thanks for that explanation.

Dallas article says 5 possible cases in Texas, awaiting test results

claym711 said:

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It's going to be absolutely wild if scottimus's source is one of the a&m profs that China bought.

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He just told me he worked at Beijing University!

scottimus said:

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erudite said:

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Redstone said:

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Scientific paper please.

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Expert saying:

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This is not a real publication.

Biorxiv is a site you can put anything up on

If you want actual papers, go to PubMed

Here is a real publication:
https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0140-6736%2820%2930211-7

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Genetics Ph.D. here. As a disclaimer, I'm a little out of practice and virology/biophysics is not my area of expertise, so I'll defer to your expert assuming he's well qualified in this area.

Having said that, assuming the reasearch behind the paper is legit, I think it does raise legit questions about the origin of this virus, and I don't think the authors' conclusions are terribly off base. I would be very interested to know why your expert feels otherwise, other than his dislike of Biorxiv (which I'm not familiar with).

The methods behind their comparative analysis of RNA sequence and amino acid residues seem reasonable. Assuming they are correct that the amino acid residues in question are only present in this Coronavirus and HIV, then it should be highly unlikely for all 4 of them to be present in only this new Coronavirus as a natural occurrence.

While I'm not familiar with the specific challenges associated with using CRISPR or similar gene editing techniques on various viruses, I think it is reasonable to start questioning whether it may have been engineered.

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It's going to be absolutely wild if scottimus's source is one of the a&m profs that China bought.

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Furthermore, lets just say he has an affinity for....

scottimus said:

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claym711 said:

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It's going to be absolutely wild if scottimus's source is one of the a&m profs that China bought.

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He just told me he worked at Beijing University!

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Book it.

scottimus said:

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StrickAggie06 said:

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scottimus said:

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tsuag10 said:

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I think it's an illustration of DNA.
Biochemists can correct me if I'm wrong.

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It's a computer model of the replicated sequence they are analyzing.

Think of it as a CAD for a virus.

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More specifically, it's a 3D model of the viral glycoproteins that shows how all the amino acid groups (residues) fold and attach to each other to form a protein structure.

Glycoproteins are what allow a virus to attach to and enter cells to infect. The figure shows a side by side view of these proteins for the Coronavirus and HIV, where you can see some groups that have a lot of similarity between the two.

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So it is like inventor for viruses? Lol. Jk, thanks for that explanation.

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That's a pretty good analogy, in fact. I was actually a mechanical engineer before I was a geneticist. Inventor is awesome, although I think I liked 3D Studio Max a bit more.

claym711 said:

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It's going to be absolutely wild if scottimus's source is one of the a&m profs that China bought.

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Given that he seems consistently wrong, I wouldn't be surprised.