because this is new and highly disruptive.

the flu has never stopped me from getting shipments for 3+ weeks.

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Back to news...
NK is already taking a victory lap... let's see how that pans out.

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Wonder if the Democrats are going to hang all over Kim since he is so great at protecting his country.

I'm paying very close attention as I leave for Japan next Friday, I'd bet I've done more research than you, which is why I'm comfortable saying, here in the United States, there are much more everyday illnesses to be concerned about over this one...wager stands if interested

DeWrecking Crew said:

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I'm simply asking why there isn't a 300 page thread on the flu?

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Please go start a flu thread

DeWrecking Crew said:

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I'm simply asking why there isn't a 300 page thread on the flu?

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Because the flu is a known risk. It is relatively mild, 2-3 days of fever, maybe a week of feeling like crap. Very very few cases require hospitalization and the mortality is almost exclusively the very young, the very old, or those who are already sick.

This has hospitalized and killed folks in their 30s. It seems to cause 5-7 days of fever and 2 weeks of illness. It's simply a more severe disease.

It seems to be more contagious than the flu.

It's new.

It's causing a massive economic disruption.

How many reasons would you like?

Why did the stock market just have it's worst week since October 2008?

The flu?

Really?

Are you going to Japan for business or vacation? If for business I'm surprised your company hasn't halted travel there. Mine has, and employees returning from japan are required to stay home for 14 days. Our company has someone with COVID19 who had been on vacation in northern Italy. They returned to work before becoming symptomatic and now the entire office they work out of in Sweden - 40 people - is temporarily closed while folks self quarantine from home.

If this comes under control, that will be fantastic. If not, it could be on par with the Spanish flu. That would be bad. Would I be personally worried about dying? No. But it would be disruptive and a problem.

DeWrecking Crew said:

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I'm paying very close attention as I leave for Japan next Friday, I'd bet I've done more research than you, which is why I'm comfortable saying, here in the United States, there are much more everyday illnesses to be concerned about over this one...wager stands if interested

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Fine, then explain to me why having no innate immunity as in the case of CoVid19 is no worse than actually having and innate immunity as is the case with the flu. If you've done your research, then explain to me why they have no diffrence in risk. You want the wager? Then concisely explain it.

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It's new.

It's causing a massive economic disruption.

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This is the correct answer, it's not because it's some super dangerous epidemic that we need to all start building bunkers for.

Also, explain why having a more effcient means of virus attatchment (to host cells), as is the case with CoVid19, has no additional risk than the flu.

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It's new.

It's causing a massive economic disruption.

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This is the correct answer, it's not because it's some super dangerous epidemic that we need to all start building bunkers for.

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It has the potential to be. Let's get real, this is a legitimate threat. Do you hear of people being reinfected with the flu within a month of recovery?

I'm not advocAting building a bunker. But if this does lose containment and get prolific in the wild the way seasonal flu is, millions of people could die. It would be highly disruptive. The Spanish flu in 1918 is not an improbable outcome.

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DeWrecking Crew said:

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I'm paying very close attention as I leave for Japan next Friday, I'd bet I've done more research than you, which is why I'm comfortable saying, here in the United States, there are much more everyday illnesses to be concerned about over this one...wager stands if interested

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Fine, then explain to me why having no innate immunity as in the case of CoVid19 is no worse than actually having and innate immunity as is the case with the flu. If you've done your research, then explain to me why they have no diffrence in risk. You want the wager? Then concisely explain it.

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So your argument is a 98+% survival rate proves we don't have an innate immunity? I'm on my mobile, so I don't want to get into a long post, but the difference in risk is the actual evidence that you are in danger of catching it...do the math, how many people world wide have caught it in 60 days?

I thought you did your research? You think that your statistics are used in determining natural immunity. Try again.

No. Humans have an innate immunity to influenza because it's been around for so long. Something like 14% of people are completely immune to it. There is no innate immunity for COVID19.

The initial conditions are also completely different. Coronaviruses infect millions upon millions of people every year. They cause about half of the common colds. Influenza is widespread, but it's a moderate disease.

But flu this year started from a baseline population of a billion cases. COVID19 started from exactly one.

If this becomes widespread, it would be severe. You're basically saying it hasn't become widespread yes so it isn't a risk. That's like saying I'm in no risk of a flood because it's not raining. Pandemics happen. It's a when, not an if.

Floodgates opening.

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No. Humans have an innate immunity to influenza because it's been around for so long. Something like 14% of people are completely immune to it. There is no innate immunity for COVID19.

The initial conditions are also completely different. Coronaviruses infect millions upon millions of people every year. They cause about half of the common colds. Influenza is widespread, but it's a moderate disease.

But flu this year started from a baseline population of a billion cases. COVID19 started from exactly one.

If this becomes widespread, it would be severe. You're basically saying it hasn't become widespread yes so it isn't a risk. That's like saying I'm in no risk of a flood because it's not raining. Pandemics happen. It's a when, not an if.

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****ING THiS... thank you!

Glad the stock market is closed tomorrow.

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Floodgates opening.

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What floodgates? Do you have additional information? You seem certain.

It is clear that for whatever reason CDC failed to get out ahead of this issue by choosing to create and use its own unreliable (as it turns out) test rather than simply use the one that WHO recommends that has been used by the rest of the world.

One result is that the patient in Northern California, who is very sick, exposed many health care workers to the virus.

It really boggles the mind.

I am a Trump supporter and desperately hope he wins again, but he needs to just shut up about this virus not being that bad.

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No. Humans have an innate immunity to influenza because it's been around for so long. Something like 14% of people are completely immune to it. There is no innate immunity for COVID19.

The initial conditions are also completely different. Coronaviruses infect millions upon millions of people every year. They cause about half of the common colds. Influenza is widespread, but it's a moderate disease.

But flu this year started from a baseline population of a billion cases. COVID19 started from exactly one.

If this becomes widespread, it would be severe. You're basically saying it hasn't become widespread yes so it isn't a risk. That's like saying I'm in no risk of a flood because it's not raining. Pandemics happen. It's a when, not an if.

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Ok, add you 14% innateness into the equation, which one will kill more people this year? It started from exactly one as far as you know.

8pm press conference on a Friday night?

If they aren't announcing positive cases I'll be shocked. What else would it be? PSA about hand washing?

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8pm press conference on a Friday night?

If they aren't announcing positive cases I'll be shocked. What else would it be? PSA about hand washing?

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Idk. You're the one who said floodgates opening. Just asking what floodgates you were referring to.

DeWrecking Crew said:

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k2aggie07 said:

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No. Humans have an innate immunity to influenza because it's been around for so long. Something like 14% of people are completely immune to it. There is no innate immunity for COVID19.

The initial conditions are also completely different. Coronaviruses infect millions upon millions of people every year. They cause about half of the common colds. Influenza is widespread, but it's a moderate disease.

But flu this year started from a baseline population of a billion cases. COVID19 started from exactly one.

If this becomes widespread, it would be severe. You're basically saying it hasn't become widespread yes so it isn't a risk. That's like saying I'm in no risk of a flood because it's not raining. Pandemics happen. It's a when, not an if.

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Ok, add you 14% innateness into the equation, which one will kill more people this year? It started from exactly one as far as you know.

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I don't know the answer and neither does anyone else. But you know what? If flu kills 500,000 all of the deaths of COVID19 add on top of that. They don't subtract. So why belabor the point?

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wessimo said:

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8pm press conference on a Friday night?

If they aren't announcing positive cases I'll be shocked. What else would it be? PSA about hand washing?

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Idk. You're the one who said floodgates opening. Just asking what floodgates you were referring to.

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I'm saying we are about to start learning about many many cases of "community transmission" which the CDC has been saying was NOT happening.

An Oregon State school teacher tested positive.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.oregonlive.com/news/2020/02/coronavirus-appears-in-oregon.html%3foutputType=amp

Edited because I wrote the wrong state. Sorry!

JaneDoe02 said:

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A Washington State school teacher tested positive.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.oregonlive.com/news/2020/02/coronavirus-appears-in-oregon.html%3foutputType=amp

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Dang. Here comes the first school closures.

Make that second school closure:

Please ignore the idiot prevent him from hijacking the thread.

There are actually important things happening and we don't need actual news to get drowned out by his ignorant blustering

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wessimo said:

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8pm press conference on a Friday night?

If they aren't announcing positive cases I'll be shocked. What else would it be? PSA about hand washing?

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Idk. You're the one who said floodgates opening. Just asking what floodgates you were referring to.

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I'm saying we are about to start learning about many many cases of "community transmission" which the CDC has been saying was NOT happening.

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Ok. I'm asking how do you know what we're about to start learning? I think you're stating an opinion as a fact.