The Left is so radicalized and moving toward the heart of extreme -- and entirely manufactured reality that is seeks to impose and project on others - that it no longer knows what "extremist" is.aggieforester05 said:Right, those that prescribe to a document written by classical liberals are now considered "far right extremist". American leftists really are delusional and hopelessly misinformed.Pinche Abogado said:
Levin is a brilliant Constitutionalist. To dismiss him otherwise shows exactly what you are: a Marxist pig.
From the articleGary Johnson said:
Right it says that they were spreading "false information" without saying what it was, implying that Shokin was investigating Burisma.
The memo confirms the investigation was dead.
There were 2 open inquiries in March, who opened them.Quote:
Some media outlets have reported that, at the time Joe Biden forced the firing in March 2016, there were no open investigations. Those reports are wrong. A British-based investigation of Burisma's owner was closed down in early 2015 on a technicality when a deadline for documents was not met. But the Ukraine Prosecutor General's office still had two open inquiries in March 2016, according to the official case file provided me. One of those cases involved taxes; the other, allegations of corruption. Burisma announced the cases against it were not closed and settled until January 2017.
After I first reported it in a column, the New York Times and ABC News published similar stories confirming my reporting.
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Blue Star, using the Ukrainian embassy worker it had hired, eventually scored a meeting with Sevruk on April 6, 2016, a week after Shokin's firing. Buretta, Tramontano and Painter attended that meeting in Kiev, according to Blue Star's memos.
Sevruk memorialized the meeting in a government memo that the general prosecutor's office provided to me, stating that the three Americans offered an apology for the "false" narrative that had been provided by U.S. officials about Shokin being corrupt and inept.
"They realized that the information disseminated in the U.S. was incorrect and that they would facilitate my visit to the U.S. for the purpose of delivering the true information to the State Department management," the memo stated.
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backintexas2013 said:
I think he is almost daring them to go through with it.
So Shokin didn't authorize this activity?Gary Johnson said:
Right. The other investigations were already known.
https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/trump-whistleblower-scandal-explained-from-ukraine.html
The investigations "Biden killed": 1 was already dead, 1 continued to punishment, 1 continues to this day. And Shokin had no part in it.
Pyatt criticized Shokin for protecting the guys that sabotaged the British case, they were never punished. And he was also deeply unpopular in Ukraine for other reasons, that's why he got fired.
This Yuriy Sevruk character is a Shokin appointee and implicated in the "diamond bribe" scandal.
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/why-poroshenko-s-support-for-shokin-is-dangerous/
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It was only after he reiterated his reasons for not giving me the authority to tell Zelensky the support would be released that I asked him about whether there was some kind of arrangement where Ukraine would take some action and the hold would be lifted. Without hesitation, President Trump immediately denied such an arrangement existed. As reported in the Wall Street Journal, I quoted the President as saying, "(Expletive deleted) -- No way. I would never do that. Who told you that?" I have accurately characterized his reaction as adamant, vehement, and angry -- there was more than one expletive that I have deleted.
Give GJ some time, he's has to get new talking points.Stlkofta said:
Senator Johnson's letter to Nunes and Jordan regarding Trump and the Ukraine:
https://www.axios.com/ron-johnson-ukraine-jim-jordan-devin-nunes-6cd5a357-e8cd-4445-9498-76481c5ee9a0.html
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It was only after he reiterated his reasons for not giving me the authority to tell Zelensky the support would be released that I asked him about whether there was some kind of arrangement where Ukraine would take some action and the hold would be lifted. Without hesitation, President Trump immediately denied such an arrangement existed. As reported in the Wall Street Journal, I quoted the President as saying, "(Expletive deleted) -- No way. I would never do that. Who told you that?" I have accurately characterized his reaction as adamant, vehement, and angry -- there was more than one expletive that I have deleted.
Wonder why Mr. Schiff didn't bother calling on Senator Johnson to testify as he was directly involved on this issue and spoke to the President regarding Zelensky and Ukrainian corruption?
Perhaps hearsay from butthurt bureaucrats was preferable to the direct observations of those best in a position to inform Mr. Schiff's lynch mob about this matter.
Gary Johnson said:
This property seizure news release I've seen in several outlets, the text is identical as if spread by a press release bot. No other news stories I can find mention it, or say which investigation It's related to. If you can find it I'd be obliged.
Zooming out the big problem for the Biden conspiracy theory is Shokin was fired for bottom up pressure from Ukrainians and a 289-6 vote in the Rada.
The Kiev Post reports Burisma was never mentioned publicly by Shokin in his 14 months and covered up bribes in his office. He was basically the Martin Shkireli of Ukraine.
This is the problem with far fetched conspiracy theories, every time one facet is debunked or shown to be a dead end, the theorist says "Aha! It goes deeper than we thought".
The Republicans held both chambers in 2015-2018 and could have investigated in real time. No interest in this matter, the state department position on Shokin was also supported by Republican Senators. The interest only started toward the end of '18 when dirt, even if fake news dirt, became important on a certain person polling 10 points higher than Trump.
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The above accounts are incorrect. Shokin did go after Zlochevsky. He opened two cases against him in 2015. After he did that Biden and his crew started to lobby for his firing. Shokin was aggressively pursuing the case. He did so just before Biden's campaign against him went into a frenzy.
On February 4 2016 Interfax-Ukraine reported:
The movable and immovable property of former Minister of Ecology and Natural Resources of Ukraine Mykola Zlochevsky in Ukraine has been seized, according to the press service of the Prosecutor General's Office of Ukraine (PGO)."The PGO filed a petition to court to arrest the property of the ex-Minister of Ecology and Natural Resources of Ukraine, the Deputy Secretary of the National Security and Defence Council of Ukraine, Mykola Zlochevsky, from which arrest was withdrawn, and other property he actually uses, namely housing estate with a total area of 922 square meters, a land plot of 0.24 hectares, a garden house with a total area of 299.8 square meters, a garden house in the territory of Vyshgorod district, a garden house of 2,312 square meters, a land plot of 0.0394 hectares, a Rolls-Royce Phantom car, a Knott "924-5014"trainer," reads the report.
The PGO clarifies that the court satisfied the petition on February 2, 2016.
Zlochevsky is suspected of committing a criminal offense under Part 3 of Article 368-2 of the Criminal Comment de of Ukraine (illicit enrichment).
On February 2 Shokin confiscated four large houses Zlochevsky owned plus a Rolls-Royce Phantom and a "Knott "924-5014" trainer". (Anyone know what that is?) Ten days later Biden goes into overdrive to get him fired. Within one week he personally calls Poroshenko three times with only one major aim: to get Shokin fired.
richardag said:Gary Johnson said:
This property seizure news release I've seen in several outlets, the text is identical as if spread by a press release bot. No other news stories I can find mention it, or say which investigation It's related to. If you can find it I'd be obliged.
Zooming out the big problem for the Biden conspiracy theory is Shokin was fired for bottom up pressure from Ukrainians and a 289-6 vote in the Rada.
The Kiev Post reports Burisma was never mentioned publicly by Shokin in his 14 months and covered up bribes in his office. He was basically the Martin Shkireli of Ukraine.
This is the problem with far fetched conspiracy theories, every time one facet is debunked or shown to be a dead end, the theorist says "Aha! It goes deeper than we thought".
The Republicans held both chambers in 2015-2018 and could have investigated in real time. No interest in this matter, the state department position on Shokin was also supported by Republican Senators. The interest only started toward the end of '18 when dirt, even if fake news dirt, became important on a certain person polling 10 points higher than Trump.
You cited Kiev Post, well they reported on Feb. 4, 2016 at 6:40 pm:
Court seizes property of ex-minister Zlochevsky in Ukraine PGO
Also:
When Ukraine's Prosecutor came after his son's sponsor Joe Biden sprang into action
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The above accounts are incorrect. Shokin did go after Zlochevsky. He opened two cases against him in 2015. After he did that Biden and his crew started to lobby for his firing. Shokin was aggressively pursuing the case. He did so just before Biden's campaign against him went into a frenzy.
On February 4 2016 Interfax-Ukraine reported:
The movable and immovable property of former Minister of Ecology and Natural Resources of Ukraine Mykola Zlochevsky in Ukraine has been seized, according to the press service of the Prosecutor General's Office of Ukraine (PGO)."The PGO filed a petition to court to arrest the property of the ex-Minister of Ecology and Natural Resources of Ukraine, the Deputy Secretary of the National Security and Defence Council of Ukraine, Mykola Zlochevsky, from which arrest was withdrawn, and other property he actually uses, namely housing estate with a total area of 922 square meters, a land plot of 0.24 hectares, a garden house with a total area of 299.8 square meters, a garden house in the territory of Vyshgorod district, a garden house of 2,312 square meters, a land plot of 0.0394 hectares, a Rolls-Royce Phantom car, a Knott "924-5014"trainer," reads the report.
The PGO clarifies that the court satisfied the petition on February 2, 2016.
Zlochevsky is suspected of committing a criminal offense under Part 3 of Article 368-2 of the Criminal Comment de of Ukraine (illicit enrichment).
On February 2 Shokin confiscated four large houses Zlochevsky owned plus a Rolls-Royce Phantom and a "Knott "924-5014" trainer". (Anyone know what that is?) Ten days later Biden goes into overdrive to get him fired. Within one week he personally calls Poroshenko three times with only one major aim: to get Shokin fired.
No wonder Congressmen are asking for VP Biden's transcripts of conversations he had with Ukrainian officials.
No. He's been on OR this morning.backintexas2013 said:
Did etc catch the ban hammer. He hasn't been around for a while. Hope all is ok
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This is the problem with far fetched conspiracy theories, every time one facet is debunked or shown to be a dead end, the theorist says "Aha! It goes deeper than we thought".
So might eventually get answer on the understand liberal thread then.aggiehawg said:No. He's been on OR this morning.backintexas2013 said:
Did etc catch the ban hammer. He hasn't been around for a while. Hope all is ok
