Everything liberals believe is bait.

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He brought a complaint against the President because he was worried that Trump was shifting US policy away from providing offensive weapons to the Ukrainian government!

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Objection. Not true at all that Trump was "shifting policy". He wanted to give them the $400M, he would have given them double that of other people's money.

He wanted them to give him something naughty first.

The "deep state" doesn't make foreign appropriations, Congress does.

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He brought a complaint against the President because he was worried that Trump was shifting US policy away from providing offensive weapons to the Ukrainian government!

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Objection. Not true at all that Trump was "shifting policy". He wanted to give them the $400M, he would have given them double that of other people's money.

He wanted them to give him something naughty first.

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Obama was double naughty, his fbi used dirt from Ukrainians to investigate Donald Trump and he didn't give them money leaving them at the mercy of Russia.

He is like a super-mega-hitler.

Got eem! When does Romney get sworn in?

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Wow. Trump supporter / rightwing Fox News tv show host Tucker Carlson on Fox News Channel tonight:

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Why do I care what's going on in the conflict between Ukraine and Russia? And I'm serious, why do I care? And why shouldn't I root for Russia, which I am.

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I don't live in Western Europe, I live in DC and I don't care.

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Putin couldn't have written a pro-Kremlin / anti-NATO / anti-Ukraine script for Tucker any better.

Will Trump publicly denounce Tucker Carlson tonight or tomorrow? Jmho, Trump has to, even if he privately agrees with Tucker.

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You actually quoted that? Tucker even then went on to say it was a trap phrase that would be mis-used by the Left. Bait. Hannity even joked about it as they cut to his segment. Happened to see it tonight because Tucker was talking about the Syria gas possibly being a fraud (which is something suspected)

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Lol. Yeah, Tucker tried to walk it back at the very END of his show, after it was posted all over twitter & long after he said it. Unfortunately for Tucker, it was crystal clear in the video segment that he meant what he said. And it is 100% consistent with other statements he has made.

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Lol. Yeah, Tucker tried to walk it back at the very END of his show, after it was posted all over twitter & long after he said it. Unfortunately for Tucker, it was crystal clear in the video segment that he meant what he said. And it is 100% consistent with other statements he has made.

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Are you insinuating that Tucker too, is a `Russian asset' ??? Tucker, who if anything, is rattling the cages of both Dem and GOP elite in his bringing up the real neglected domestic topics in a manner closer to the way Ron or Rand Paul might do so?

Believe he was simply making a point about why should an opinion be set one way or the other.

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Got eem! When does Romney get sworn in?

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You act like liberal hypocrisy doesn't matter, it does. Nothing is going to change the next time we get a Dem in office, they'll get a pass just like Obama did. Nobody on the right is going to take leftist sourced allegations of malfeasance by Trump seriously, until Democrats are held to the same standard. The double standard is unacceptable. The left would at least gain a modicum of respect if they stopped insulting our intelligence by badly pretending that it doesn't exist and screaming "whataboutism" every time we point out their hypocrisy.

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He brought a complaint against the President because he was worried that Trump was shifting US policy away from providing offensive weapons to the Ukrainian government!

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Objection. Not true at all that Trump was "shifting policy". He wanted to give them the $400M, he would have given them double that of other people's money.

He wanted them to give him something naughty first.

The "deep state" doesn't make foreign appropriations, Congress does.

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You truly don't know or don't care to know how Washington works.

Sorry bud. Doing exactly what Congress mandated after he got caught isn't 4d chess or "shifting policy".

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Sorry bud. Doing exactly what Congress mandated after he got caught isn't 4d chess or "shifting policy".

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Sorry bud but congress doesn't wipe their ass without getting reports and recommendations from the agencies which makes them vulnerable to agencies agendas. But you knew that. There is a deep state but you don't want to accept it because it would kill your derangement.

Did your president shift policies from the previous dumbass about the javelins? I thought he didn't shift policy.

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Lol. Yeah, Tucker tried to walk it back at the very END of his show, after it was posted all over twitter & long after he said it. Unfortunately for Tucker, it was crystal clear in the video segment that he meant what he said. And it is 100% consistent with other statements he has made.

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Are you insinuating that Tucker too, is a `Russian asset' ??? Tucker, who if anything, is rattling the cages of both Dem and GOP elite in his bringing up the real neglected domestic topics in a manner closer to the way Ron or Rand Paul might do so?

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That's exactly what he was doing. He wasn't joking. He was serious, and he said exactly what he meant, and it mirrors perfectly the short-sighted, juvenile MAGA worldview: To hell with NATO, the UN, Worldbank, and all the other US-led institutions of the post WW2 international hegemony. All I care about is myself, my needs, my stock market account, and what affects me.

Nah. ZH made a bad point. No "policy" was changed, the aid was delivered per the letter of the bill, as Trump always intended. Once he got what he wanted.

It's a risible after the fact justification.

So what happens if the house decides not to impeach? Will people admit they were wrong? What about when the Senate votes not to remove from office?

Just curious because after Kav hearing a bunch of libertarians and concerned moderates ran away and never admitted they were wrong. After Mueller report others disappeared. Now they are all back with new usernames. What's the next move?

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So what happens if the house decides not to impeach? Will people admit they were wrong? What about when the Senate votes not to remove from office?

Just curious because after Kav hearing a bunch of libertarians and concerned moderates ran away and never admitted they were wrong. After Mueller report others disappeared. Now they are all back with new usernames. What's the next move?

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no, they will just claim that Trump is too slippery and blah blah blah......we've got to stop him from nominating anymore judges and the people have to stand up to him at the ballot box.

they never intended to go through with this. they hoped it would damage him enough to buy RBG some time. If (big if) they can beat him next Nov, RBG just has to live in an iron lung for the next 12 months.

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Lol. Yeah, Tucker tried to walk it back at the very END of his show, after it was posted all over twitter & long after he said it. Unfortunately for Tucker, it was crystal clear in the video segment that he meant what he said. And it is 100% consistent with other statements he has made.

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Are you insinuating that Tucker too, is a `Russian asset' ??? Tucker, who if anything, is rattling the cages of both Dem and GOP elite in his bringing up the real neglected domestic topics in a manner closer to the way Ron or Rand Paul might do so?

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That's exactly what he was doing. He wasn't joking. He was serious, and he said exactly what he meant, and it mirrors perfectly the short-sighted, juvenile MAGA worldview: To hell with NATO, the UN, Worldbank, and all the other US-led institutions of the post WW2 international hegemony. All I care about is myself, my needs, my stock market account, and what affects me.

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All those institutions were created by racists!

NATO is the only worthwhile thing in your list, and even then Donald Trumps pressure on member countries to spend more of their money on military actually strengthens NATO.

Amen. I care about me. You take care of you. Countries take care of themselves. We can't be the world police and the world bailout organization. We already bail out idiots in America who make idiotic choices. We don't need to do the same all over the world.

You know that impeachment is going bad when etc goes on a rant that has nothing to do with impeachment.

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Odds bets:

Trump brags about the ratings during the impeachment trial where he's the star. The Apprentice never got 70% share.

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I got news for you, bro...there isn't going to be an impeachment vote...

Ds are wavering and doing so publicly...

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Lol. Yeah, Tucker tried to walk it back at the very END of his show, after it was posted all over twitter & long after he said it. Unfortunately for Tucker, it was crystal clear in the video segment that he meant what he said. And it is 100% consistent with other statements he has made.

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Are you insinuating that Tucker too, is a `Russian asset' ??? Tucker, who if anything, is rattling the cages of both Dem and GOP elite in his bringing up the real neglected domestic topics in a manner closer to the way Ron or Rand Paul might do so?

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That's exactly what he was doing. He wasn't joking. He was serious, and he said exactly what he meant, and it mirrors perfectly the short-sighted, juvenile MAGA worldview: To hell with NATO, the UN, Worldbank, and all the other US-led institutions of the post WW2 international hegemony. All I care about is myself, my needs, my stock market account, and what affects me.

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You mean that topic came up twice? I only saw the portion handing over to Hannity and didn't realize he was reflecting back to an earlier mention. (I was in a restaurant and they started talking about Syria gas attack being a possible fraud as regards blaming Assad (no surprise) and so moved over closer to hear what was being said.

So Tucker is going full Libertarian isolationist is what you seem to think. Interesting. Something to keep an eye on at least.

I really want them all to testify so badly. I'm not doing this for me, as a constitutional scholar I'm selflessly making this sacrifice for others.

Wait, people actually believe that?

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Wait, people actually believe that?

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I don't know. Barr can be pretty persuasive and if he is recommending that the Privilege be asserted for the good of the Presidency??? Consistent with his speech the other day.

a waiver of privilege by Trump (which he should not do), has no bearing on a future president's ability to assert privilege. You know that.

For Democrat presidents it doesn't. Fake news would be all over it if it is a Republican president.

Impeachment hearings begin in Judiciary December 4.

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Impeachment hearings begin in Judiciary December 4.

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Your pictures are potato quality. Can't read them.

So I guess minority witness rule was denied.

oh goodie, now we have to read GJ's lies about Russian collusion and obstruction over and over again!

This surprises me. What have they seen to make them think this will go better a second time around.

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Impeachment hearings begin in Judiciary December 4.

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Your pictures are potato quality. Can't read them.

So I guess minority witness rule was denied.

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Sorry best I have found so far. Still looking for a better image.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/house-judiciary-committee-announces-first-impeachment-hearing-invites-trump-attend-n1091861

"The House Judiciary Committee on Tuesday announced it will hold its first public impeachment hearing next week, and invited President Donald Trump and his lawyers "to participate."

"I am hopeful that you and your counsel will opt to participate in the Committee's hearing, consistent with the rules of decorum and with the solemn nature before us," Judiciary Chairman Jerrold Nadler said in a letter announcing the hearing.

Nadler said the hearing, which will focus on "Constitutional Grounds for Presidential Impeachment," will take place on Dec. 4."