Ironic, isn't it? Schiff's leaking to Politico ruined everything!!!
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Ironic, isn't it? Schiff's leaking to Politico ruined everything!!!
Pressuring Ukraine to stay at Trump Hotels.
Setting Don Jr up on a board.
Monetary donations to his political campaign.
All examples of "something of value". An investigation doesn't fit that definition, or else the ENTIRE FBI AND OBAMA broke some huge campaign finance laws investigating HRC and Trump in 2016.
Doubt any of the resident "brain trust" ever engage this fact.
Setting Don Jr up on a board.
Monetary donations to his political campaign.
All examples of "something of value". An investigation doesn't fit that definition, or else the ENTIRE FBI AND OBAMA broke some huge campaign finance laws investigating HRC and Trump in 2016.
Doubt any of the resident "brain trust" ever engage this fact.
You're mistaken. Iirc, it was your two GOP boys in the HoR, Goser and Gohmert, who idiotically claimed to have super-perceptive abilities to read minds and body language when they questioned Rod Rosenstein.Rockdoc said:captkirk said:Zakaria admits he has no idea if this reporting from the NYT was accurate and Zelinsky or his staff never discussed this planned "bombshell" disclosure. 100% conjecture and made up nonsenseMetoliusAg said:
Are you sure? I've heard dems have this 6th sense that enables them to "know what a person thinks".
In return for the held-up US aid, Trump, Giuliani, and Sondland asked for things of value to Trump and his 2020 campaign. Hth.aginlakeway said:BINGO. You can't commit bribery or extortion without trying to obtain something of value. Just a fact ...hbtheduce said:MetoliusAg said:You were taught all hearsay is inadmissable in court? Interesting.Quote:
As a corollary, Pelosi was just on doing her weekly presser. She flat out accused Trump of bribery and then completely dismissed the notion that hearsay was inadmissible in court.
Just out of curiousity, what law school taught you this? Because your claim contradicts what numerous ex-DOJ attorneys and criminal defense attorneys have stated.It fits like glove. Thank you for stating concisely what Trump, Giuliani, Parnas, Mulvaney, and Sondland attempted. Iirc, a few months ago your legal opinions on the 4A and Manafort search warrants were exposed as egregiously incorrect. Now you're claiming the bolded description you stated above isn't bribery and extortion. Good luck arguing that assertion in a debate.Quote:
Bribery? I'll give you lethal military aid if you give me Biden's head on a silver platter. Is that supposed to be the "bribe" here? Doesn't exactly fit, does it?
Yes, there are exceptions to hearsay, but you think the general public knows that... It also, rightfully, makes your "evidence" look so weak, sad, and pathetic.
The framing in that quote is hyperbole. Biden's head would only be on a silver platter if he is guilty! An investigation guarantees no political damage (see mueller), unless you are suggesting Biden is obviously guilty?
So take into account the obvious hyperbole, you still don't have bribery and extortion because AN INVESTIGATION IS NOT SOMETHING OF VALUE. I wish I could make the text size 32 because its the point you always ignore.
Plus. You believed Trump was a Russian asset, so I wouldn't throw any stones on being wrong in the past. Engage the argument lightweight.
hbtheduce said:
Pressuring Ukraine to stay at Trump Hotels.
Setting Don Jr up on a board.
Monetary donations to his political campaign.
All examples of "something of value". An investigation doesn't fit that definition, or else the ENTIRE FBI AND OBAMA broke some huge campaign finance laws investigating HRC and Trump in 2016.
Doubt any of the resident "brain trust" ever engage this fact.
Strawmanning now. At least pretend to know what the accusation is.
He wanted it to appear as if Ukraine independently uncovered corruption involving Biden. It had to be announced publicly, thereby knocking his strongest dem challenger out of the race.
Gary Johnson said:Quote:
Speculation, you have not idea what did or didn't prompt the Trump team to do anything
He got busted. A cabal of angry senators and congressmen demanded it be released. 36 hours later they did it. It's not rocket science.
You have proof? You could be right, but you have no hard facts to back this up other than a timeline and that it fits your narrative.
Even if we accept congress effected the release. It also ignores the possibility the plan was to hold the payments until the last day to legally withhold the funds, with or without action by Ukraine.
PS: It doesn't matter, because Trump still had time to legally release the funds. So we still aren't discussing criminal activity.
Gary Johnson said:
He wanted it to appear as if Ukraine independently uncovered corruption involving Biden. It had to be announced publicly, thereby knocking his strongest dem challenger out of the race.
Biden was doing a good job of that on his own...and continues to sound like a dawdling old fool whose cognitive decline is painfully evident.
Such as? I mean Zelensky has repeatedly denied this. His Foreign Minister has denied this as I posted and linked above.Quote:
In return for the held-up US aid, Trump, Giuliani, and Sondland asked for things of value to Trump and his 2020 campaign. Hth.
So you are claiming both Zelensky and his Foreign Ministers are lying?
Basically, Schiff couldn't hold his wad...
Premature e-gotcha-lation...
Premature e-gotcha-lation...
Gary Johnson said:hbtheduce said:
Pressuring Ukraine to stay at Trump Hotels.
Setting Don Jr up on a board.
Monetary donations to his political campaign.
All examples of "something of value". An investigation doesn't fit that definition, or else the ENTIRE FBI AND OBAMA broke some huge campaign finance laws investigating HRC and Trump in 2016.
Doubt any of the resident "brain trust" ever engage this fact.
Strawmanning now. At least pretend to know what the accusation is.
He wanted it to appear as if Ukraine independently uncovered corruption involving Biden. It had to be announced publicly, thereby knocking his strongest dem challenger out of the race.
Meaningless. Pressuring Ukraine to open an investigation and publicly announcing it aligns them with the US DOJ & Trumps foreign policy. Hence why he asked them to work with Bill Barr on BOTH sets of investigations.
But keep trying. An investigation still doesn't meat the legal definition of "something of value".
MetoliusAg said:In return for the held-up US aid, Trump, Giuliani, and Sondland asked for things of value to Trump and his 2020 campaign. Hth.aginlakeway said:BINGO. You can't commit bribery or extortion without trying to obtain something of value. Just a fact ...hbtheduce said:MetoliusAg said:You were taught all hearsay is inadmissable in court? Interesting.Quote:
As a corollary, Pelosi was just on doing her weekly presser. She flat out accused Trump of bribery and then completely dismissed the notion that hearsay was inadmissible in court.
Just out of curiousity, what law school taught you this? Because your claim contradicts what numerous ex-DOJ attorneys and criminal defense attorneys have stated.It fits like glove. Thank you for stating concisely what Trump, Giuliani, Parnas, Mulvaney, and Sondland attempted. Iirc, a few months ago your legal opinions on the 4A and Manafort search warrants were exposed as egregiously incorrect. Now you're claiming the bolded description you stated above isn't bribery and extortion. Good luck arguing that assertion in a debate.Quote:
Bribery? I'll give you lethal military aid if you give me Biden's head on a silver platter. Is that supposed to be the "bribe" here? Doesn't exactly fit, does it?
Yes, there are exceptions to hearsay, but you think the general public knows that... It also, rightfully, makes your "evidence" look so weak, sad, and pathetic.
The framing in that quote is hyperbole. Biden's head would only be on a silver platter if he is guilty! An investigation guarantees no political damage (see mueller), unless you are suggesting Biden is obviously guilty?
So take into account the obvious hyperbole, you still don't have bribery and extortion because AN INVESTIGATION IS NOT SOMETHING OF VALUE. I wish I could make the text size 32 because its the point you always ignore.
Plus. You believed Trump was a Russian asset, so I wouldn't throw any stones on being wrong in the past. Engage the argument lightweight.
An investigation is not something of value.
If so, we need to arrest the entire FBI right now for their political contributions to candidates for EVERY ****ING INVESTIGATION THEY HAVE EVER DONE ON A POLITICIAN.
Wouldn't this also open every criminal referral made by a member of congress an illegal solicitation for a campaign contribution? BRAIN TRUST
It's gotta be one or the other, right? Can't have it both ways...aggiehawg said:Such as? I mean Zelensky has repeatedly denied this. His Foreign Minister has denied this as I posted and linked above.Quote:
In return for the held-up US aid, Trump, Giuliani, and Sondland asked for things of value to Trump and his 2020 campaign. Hth.
So you are claiming both Zelensky and his Foreign Ministers are lying?
Can't have the Ukrainians painted as pawns and victims and then call them liars...
MetoliusAg said:Things are progressing nicely for those of us patriots who support the rule of law, the Constitution, and country over party, dear. Thank God the House Dems and Amash are doing their duty. So are the witnesses who have come forward. Your hero Trump (who is a corrupt crook) is headed for impeachment and a Senate trial.Quote:
Ironic, isn't it? Schiff's leaking to Politico ruined everything!!!
Trump had until the end of September to legally release the funds. If it was that vital, why did congress leave so much time to write the check?
And he won't be removed from office. The patriots in the Senate will do the right thing.
They will have a hearing just like they did with Blow Job Ford but in the end it will result in the right thing just like with Kavanaugh another true patriot.
They will have a hearing just like they did with Blow Job Ford but in the end it will result in the right thing just like with Kavanaugh another true patriot.
MetoliusAg said:Things are progressing nicely for those of us patriots who support the rule of law, the Constitution, and country over party, dear. Thank God the House Dems and Amash are doing their duty. So are the witnesses who have come forward. Your hero Trump (who is a corrupt crook) is headed for impeachment and a Senate trial.Quote:
Ironic, isn't it? Schiff's leaking to Politico ruined everything!!!
MetoliusAg said:Things are progressing nicely for those of us patriots who support the rule of law, the Constitution, and country over party, dear. Thank God the House Dems and Amash are doing their duty. So are the witnesses who have come forward. Your hero Trump (who is a corrupt crook) is headed for impeachment and a Senate trial.Quote:
Ironic, isn't it? Schiff's leaking to Politico ruined everything!!!
The Constitution and Rule of Law are going to bite you and your team on the tata before this witch hunt is over! I can't wait to hear you cry then. I know I'll be laughing for years!
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That is not true of any of the current Democratic Party main ringleaders.MetoliusAg said:Things are progressing nicely for those of us patriots who support the rule of law, the Constitution, and country over party, dear. Thank God the House Dems and Amash are doing their duty. So are the witnesses who have come forward. Your hero Trump (who is a corrupt crook) is headed for impeachment and a Senate trial.Quote:
Ironic, isn't it? Schiff's leaking to Politico ruined everything!!!
Of the candidates, it may be true of Tulsi Gabbard and probably is.
Met and Gary, I honestly want to know why you think Schiff is lying about knowing the identity of the leaker?
Why is he covering up his ties with the leaker? Does this seriously not bother you at all? Do you have the intellectual honesty to think critically about your pied piper?
Why is he covering up his ties with the leaker? Does this seriously not bother you at all? Do you have the intellectual honesty to think critically about your pied piper?
aggiehawg said:The words "subtle" and "Trump" don't often collide in the same sentence.Quote:
Its weird Zelinsky didn't know about this plan. Man that Trump is diabolically subtle
Zelensky was told about the QPQ before aid was released on Sept. 11th.
Zelensky asked Pence about the suspension of aid on Sept. 1st. On the same day, Sondland said to Zelensky's adviser, Mr. Yermak, "aid would likely not occur until Ukraine provided the public anti-corruption statement that we had been discussing for many weeks."
Also, Gary, your "timetable" argument goes both ways. The timing of the leaker and the coup attempt just as Zelensky was about to announce his investigation of Burisma seems awfully convenient.
It appears the swamp rats panicked when they found out one of their potential bell cows was about to be butchered.
It appears the swamp rats panicked when they found out one of their potential bell cows was about to be butchered.
MetoliusAg said:Things are progressing nicely for those of us patriots who support the rule of law, the Constitution, and country over party, dear. Thank God the House Dems and Amash are doing their duty. So are the witnesses who have come forward. Your hero Trump (who is a corrupt crook) is headed for impeachment and a Senate trial.Quote:
Ironic, isn't it? Schiff's leaking to Politico ruined everything!!!
Staff? Come on, this one is obvious.
Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God.
chimmy said:aggiehawg said:
Its weird Zelinsky didn't know about this plan. Man that Trump is diabolically subtle
The words "subtle" and "Trump" don't often collide in the same sentence.
Zelensky was told about the QPQ before aid was released on Sept. 11th.
Zelensky asked Pence about the suspension of aid on Sept. 1st. On the same day, Sondland said to Zelensky's adviser, Mr. Yermak, "aid would likely not occur until Ukraine provided the public anti-corruption statement that we had been discussing for many weeks."
"until Ukraine provided the public anti-corruption statement that we had been discussing for many weeks."
Even if true, which is debatable, I don't see Biden's name.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
Good luck with that argument.Quote:An investigation is not something of value.Quote:In return for the held-up US aid, Trump, Giuliani, and Sondland asked for things of value to Trump and his 2020 campaign. Hth.Quote:
You can't commit bribery or extortion without trying to obtain something of value. Just a fact ...
Oh, just laugh at him and move on. He's very special.Pinche Abogado said:MetoliusAg said:Things are progressing nicely for those of us patriots who support the rule of law, the Constitution, and country over party, dear. Thank God the House Dems and Amash are doing their duty. So are the witnesses who have come forward. Your hero Trump (who is a corrupt crook) is headed for impeachment and a Senate trial.Quote:
Ironic, isn't it? Schiff's leaking to Politico ruined everything!!!
Staff? Come on, this one is obvious.
There is also the matter the pro-Brennan whistleblower doesn't even qualify for that status, and should be brought forth.
Not that any of this matters or is in good faith.
MetoliusAg said:Good luck with that argument.Quote:An investigation is not something of value.Quote:In return for the held-up US aid, Trump, Giuliani, and Sondland asked for things of value to Trump and his 2020 campaign. Hth.Quote:
You can't commit bribery or extortion without trying to obtain something of value. Just a fact ...
Not an argument. Shocking.
Why are you avoiding my question, Met?
Are you okay with Schiff lying about his ties to the leaker? What does he have to hide if this investigation is all on the up and up?
Are you okay with Schiff lying about his ties to the leaker? What does he have to hide if this investigation is all on the up and up?
Met won't answer just like the non-response to the wager on the election.Silent For Too Long said:
Why are you avoiding my question, Met?
Are you okay with Schiff lying about his ties to the leaker? What does he have to hide if this investigation is all on the up and up?
The ignore function...embrace it...Prosperdick said:Met won't answer just like the non-response to the wager on the election.Silent For Too Long said:
Why are you avoiding my question, Met?
Are you okay with Schiff lying about his ties to the leaker? What does he have to hide if this investigation is all on the up and up?
Ignore him. Easy.Prosperdick said:Met won't answer just like the non-response to the wager on the election.Silent For Too Long said:
Why are you avoiding my question, Met?
Are you okay with Schiff lying about his ties to the leaker? What does he have to hide if this investigation is all on the up and up?
"I'm sure that won't make a bit of difference for those of you who enjoy a baseless rage over the decisions of a few teenagers."
Definitely a nice perk of premium membership....guess I'll start it now.aginlakeway said:Ignore him. Easy.Prosperdick said:Met won't answer just like the non-response to the wager on the election.Silent For Too Long said:
Why are you avoiding my question, Met?
Are you okay with Schiff lying about his ties to the leaker? What does he have to hide if this investigation is all on the up and up?
So this is the one?
Why do ya'll think this is such a gotcha?
It's common knowledge that there was discussion of investigations.
That doesn't prove any of the wild ass allegations you have.
It's common knowledge that there was discussion of investigations.
That doesn't prove any of the wild ass allegations you have.
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