I was at a dinner with a group of friends back in February. One of the couples brought both of these points into the discussion. Although all are right leaning and did not vote for Biden, most listened but politely dismissed the second point. We all agreed, and know, Joe's last act in government will likely be to pardon his son and brother. It appears to be playing out that Joe is nothing more than a "Strzok-Type" insurance policy on a MOAB scale with a built in senile defense.Quote:
Biden has little to lose he's toast anyway, but he's only holding on to be able to pardon Hunter. Joe's a walking eggplant currently. The left is burning what little reputation Joe had to the ground because he's simply ballast on a sinking ship.
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Expect HRC to announce running for POTUS in '24 any day now. I'm only half kidding since it's straight from their playbook.sicandtiredTXN said:Line Ate Member said:
Sounds like Durham has slowly started to close in his net.
He's flipped two key members directly involved, Laura Seago will be the Fusion GPS employee to testify, and David Dagon from Joffe's team. He's Got hundreds of emails completely torpedoing Marc Elias claim that Fusion GPS was retained to provide "legal advice." And it's a double edge sword because it also pushes back the the 38 emails they are holding onto for dear life aren't privileged and my bet is those emails show direct orders from HRC giving the order to takedown Trump via going after Carter Page using the dossier.
Durham makes clear, no lawyers are copied in these e-mails and this doesn't have anything to do with legal advice. And even if there were some type of privilege or work product, it was waived when Fusion GPS distributed the info to the press.
Here's the ace in the hole for all the pessimistic tribe. Merrick Garland Is AG and could step in, but the rub is everyone knows that the Red team is going to flip the House and the Senate and Garland would be certainly impeached if he were to step in, same goes for Biden. Garland's career would be over an any future hope he had for SCOTUS would be toast, could possibly end his license to practice as well. Biden has little to lose he's toast anyway, but he's only holding on to be able to pardon Hunter. Joe's a walking eggplant currently. The left is burning what little reputation Joe had to the ground because he's simply ballast on a sinking ship.
2/ It's almost as if Fusion GPS didn't need to hire an ex-MI6 guy to find all the Russian spooks, since they seemed to know who they were.
— Margot Cleveland (@ProfMJCleveland) April 26, 2022
This is absolutely wild. Page after page of corporate media stenographers actively colluding with Clinton campaign operatives to frame innocent Americans like Carter Page and Sergei Millian. WaPo, NYT, WSJ, ABC, Atlantic, Slate.
— Hans Mahncke (@HansMahncke) April 26, 2022
However much you hate the media, it's not enough. https://t.co/RG8jKMX3lS
So which of FusionGPS's "journalist" friends were actually PAID to push these smears? Perhaps these emails (filed by Durham by accident😆) provide some hints. After all of these years, the partisan press has still not asked or cared...https://t.co/xqjFOD6pAq https://t.co/7Af3vIhsZF pic.twitter.com/H7hjtDNY4V
— FoiaFan (@15poundstogo) April 26, 2022
I assume that if any REAL journalist were to investigate and report on which “reporters” were paid by FusionGPS, and name names, it would involve public figures only and would be done with the absence of malice.
— FoiaFan (@15poundstogo) April 26, 2022
So which of FusionGPS's "journalist" friends were actually PAID to push these smears? Perhaps these emails (filed by Durham by accident😆) provide some hints. After all of these years, the partisan press has still not asked or cared...https://t.co/xqjFOD6pAq https://t.co/7Af3vIhsZF pic.twitter.com/H7hjtDNY4V
— FoiaFan (@15poundstogo) April 26, 2022
"journalists" taking payments for "reporting" specific stories, sounds super ethical.
We've known about it for years here. So has the FBI…and they did nothing but hide the truth.We fixed the keg said:So which of FusionGPS's "journalist" friends were actually PAID to push these smears? Perhaps these emails (filed by Durham by accident😆) provide some hints. After all of these years, the partisan press has still not asked or cared...https://t.co/xqjFOD6pAq https://t.co/7Af3vIhsZF pic.twitter.com/H7hjtDNY4V
— FoiaFan (@15poundstogo) April 26, 2022
"journalists" taking payments for "reporting" specific stories, sounds super ethical.
Good, but he isn't going to be nominated again, no matter what and he knows it. He's a little older now, and I doubt any CCP-Dem will ever nominate a straight white male to the SCOTUS again in my lifetime. The race now is to find a transgender person of color, or maybe a furry, ideally one that has also lived at some point in a communist or muslim country, like Obama himself.sicandtiredTXN said:Line Ate Member said:
Sounds like Durham has slowly started to close in his net.
He's flipped two key members directly involved, Laura Seago will be the Fusion GPS employee to testify, and David Dagon from Joffe's team. He's Got hundreds of emails completely torpedoing Marc Elias claim that Fusion GPS was retained to provide "legal advice." And it's a double edge sword because it also pushes back the the 38 emails they are holding onto for dear life aren't privileged and my bet is those emails show direct orders from HRC giving the order to takedown Trump via going after Carter Page using the dossier.
Durham makes clear, no lawyers are copied in these e-mails and this doesn't have anything to do with legal advice. And even if there were some type of privilege or work product, it was waived when Fusion GPS distributed the info to the press.
Here's the ace in the hole for all the pessimistic tribe. Merrick Garland Is AG and could step in, but the rub is everyone knows that the Red team is going to flip the House and the Senate and Garland would be certainly impeached if he were to step in, same goes for Biden. Garland's career would be over an any future hope he had for SCOTUS would be toast, could possibly end his license to practice as well. Biden has little to lose he's toast anyway, but he's only holding on to be able to pardon Hunter. Joe's a walking eggplant currently. The left is burning what little reputation Joe had to the ground because he's simply ballast on a sinking ship.
2/ the lawyer or admin. didn't upload it under seal, so it was accessible. A couple people kept referring to it and I said, no, exhibit 1 said under seal. Then I pulled the second filing and saw, no it wasn't under seal. Late night filings like this are easy to screw up
— Margot Cleveland (@ProfMJCleveland) April 26, 2022
4/4 you gotta ask what came first, Steel or the Sh!t he put in the dossier.
— Margot Cleveland (@ProfMJCleveland) April 26, 2022
If we only had another thread...We fixed the keg said:
"journalists" taking payments for "reporting" specific stories, sounds super ethical.
Corporations are allowed to hire or contract with political activists that call themselves reporters or serve both roles. Nothing makes you a reporter or journalist except the general convention that that is the activity you often do for a living or as a hobby. There's not some sort of certifying body or self policing governance group that endorses a title.
People who are engaged in political activism need yo be addressed as what they are actually doing versus what part time identity they are hiding behind.
People who are engaged in political activism need yo be addressed as what they are actually doing versus what part time identity they are hiding behind.
If the corporate media knew they were peddling a fake and salacious political narrative, the Democrat leadership absolutely knew the whole time as well. Just another thing they all lied to us about for years. The only thing you can trust a Democrat to do is lie, ironically.
If corporate media knew, and they are considered to be a free press, why are they not subject to a lawsuit of some sort? Particularly if they were being paid to run with it.
It's very difficult for public figures harmed by this activity to make a successful case with slander and libel law.
May, 2016:
— Techno Fog (@Techno_Fog) April 26, 2022
Here's @FranklinFoer going back and forth with Fusion GPS on Carter Page
Franklin published the Alfa Bank hoax before the election. pic.twitter.com/FaCJjpFXdr
Sussmann court granted motion to intervene. Just means Joffe, Hillary, DNC, Perkins Coie, Fusion can argue re attorney-client privilege. pic.twitter.com/sfkiO4rXp6
— Margot Cleveland (@ProfMJCleveland) April 26, 2022
Just so long as we're clear that they are not "journalists." They're partisan propagandists, just like Pravda. Also, their media coverage should have to be considered campaign contributions.MouthBQ98 said:
Corporations are allowed to hire or contract with political activists that call themselves reporters or serve both roles. Nothing makes you a reporter or journalist except the general convention that that is the activity you often do for a living or as a hobby. There's not some sort of certifying body or self policing governance group that endorses a title.
People who are engaged in political activism need yo be addressed as what they are actually doing versus what part time identity they are hiding behind.
MORE!
Look! A Fusion GPS buffet table! 🤣https://t.co/mzNMeiC1UT
— God said “Let there be light” (@MichaelRCaputo) April 26, 2022
I’m not saying you’re Duranty, @thamburger. I’m just telling you that if Duranty ignored 4 million murders, fully lied to write his Pulitzer work and was still able to keep it, your collusion won’t lead to the Pulitzer Posse pulling yours.
— God said “Let there be light” (@MichaelRCaputo) April 26, 2022
But, of course, the award is worthless.
Worth keeping an eye out for a possible resurgence of two names:
— Jeff Carlson (@themarketswork) April 26, 2022
1) Jake Berkowitz
2) Nellie Ohr
Nellie did the investigative open-source work for Fusion.
Berkowitz packaged it.
All of this for Trump. Let that sink in. All of the shenanigans before the election, after the election and during his term. Trump scared the ever-loving crap out of the Dems.
They brought the full-court press to stop him. They selected him as the candidate that Hillary would defeat. They spied on him after he was elected. They (with the uni-party GOP members) sought to slow everything he wanted to do down during his first two years and launched the first sham impeachment trial. The press attacked anything and everything they could pin on him. They orchestrated the 2020 election.
The crimes they committed while in office or the crimes that Trump knew about must have absolutely terrified him. Or they just hated the country so much that they could not let an outsider join the political elite.
I really hate our government.
They brought the full-court press to stop him. They selected him as the candidate that Hillary would defeat. They spied on him after he was elected. They (with the uni-party GOP members) sought to slow everything he wanted to do down during his first two years and launched the first sham impeachment trial. The press attacked anything and everything they could pin on him. They orchestrated the 2020 election.
The crimes they committed while in office or the crimes that Trump knew about must have absolutely terrified him. Or they just hated the country so much that they could not let an outsider join the political elite.
I really hate our government.
When the pendulum swings back from such an orchestrated debacle, it will hopefully end the careers of many of the elite. The French used the courts and a guillotine. A lot of Dems deserve the same fate.Line Ate Member said:
All of this for Trump. Let that sink in. All of the shenanigans before the election, after the election and during his term. Trump scared the ever-loving crap out of the Dems.
They brought the full-court press to stop him. They selected him as the candidate that Hillary would defeat. They spied on him after he was elected. They (with the uni-party GOP members) sought to slow everything he wanted to do down during his first two years and launched the first sham impeachment trial. The press attacked anything and everything they could pin on him. They orchestrated the 2020 election.
The crimes they committed while in office or the crimes that Trump knew about must have absolutely terrified him. Or they just hated the country so much that they could not let an outsider join the political elite.
I really hate our government.
Which needs to be corrected with updated slander and libel laws.MouthBQ98 said:
It's very difficult for public figures harmed by this activity to make a successful case with slander and libel law.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
Where is Adam Schiff in all this mess? As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, he saw the same reports as Devin Nunes. Schiff not only lied about the reports, he helped launch an ethics probe against Nunes allegations.
From Politico……
Schiff should be impeached and indicted. He knew the truth and yet proclaimed the falsehoods.
From Politico……
Quote:
Nunes was forced to step aside from the helm of the committee's investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election, including alleged collusion with President Donald Trump's allies, in the wake of his March statement that members of the Trump transition team had their communications legally monitored by the U.S. intelligence community.
Schiff should be impeached and indicted. He knew the truth and yet proclaimed the falsehoods.
Schiff and Swalwell (SP)...two leaky innertubes...middle of the Pacific...a bit of chum...you get the picture.
After reading all of this, I firmly believe that journalists need to be licensed to practice. There most certainly is a health, safety, and welfare aspect to the job they perform. And, don't give me the freedom of the press or any crap like that. They can still have their voices heard as un-licensed bloggers if they don't want to get licensed.MouthBQ98 said:
Corporations are allowed to hire or contract with political activists that call themselves reporters or serve both roles. Nothing makes you a reporter or journalist except the general convention that that is the activity you often do for a living or as a hobby. There's not some sort of certifying body or self policing governance group that endorses a title.
People who are engaged in political activism need yo be addressed as what they are actually doing versus what part time identity they are hiding behind.
Without the potential to lose their ability to practice their so-called profession, they just run amok like the propaganda mercenaries we all know they are. Those emails disgust me, and I thought it wouldn't be possible to hate the press more than I already do but there it is.
I go the opposite way. We need to stop treating the employed press as if they are anything special or elite or noble. They're out to get ahead, make money, get famous, or virtue signal and feed their narcissism no different than anyone else who is attention seeking and sanctimonious and looking up get ahead. They simply need to be treated as what they are: nobody special, nobody with any special knowledge or expertise excepting those that demonstrate an ability to gather data and present it honestly and coherently.
The issue is always this: every consumer of information loves to have their confirmation biases indulged, and that gets attention and drives sales and value, so we always get people willing to spin, deceive, shock, and mislead with fear and feigned concern.
It's ultimately the responsibility of the consumer to know and understand this is always at play. Caveat Emptor.
The issue is always this: every consumer of information loves to have their confirmation biases indulged, and that gets attention and drives sales and value, so we always get people willing to spin, deceive, shock, and mislead with fear and feigned concern.
It's ultimately the responsibility of the consumer to know and understand this is always at play. Caveat Emptor.
I remember when people got fired and made journalism pariahs when their "reporting" was discovered to be false. Even editors in chief would get fired for such lapses.MouthBQ98 said:
I go the opposite way. We need to stop treating the employed press as if they are anything special or elite or noble. They're out to get ahead, make money, get famous, or virtue signal and feed their narcissism no different than anyone else who is attention seeking and sanctimonious and looking up get ahead. They simply need to be treated as what they are: nobody special, nobody with any special knowledge or expertise excepting those that demonstrate an ability to gather data and present it honestly and coherently.
The issue is always this: every consumer of information loves to have their confirmation biases indulged, and that gets attention and drives sales and value, so we always get people willing to spin, deceive, shock, and mislead with fear and feigned concern.
It's ultimately the responsibility of the consumer to know and understand this is always at play. Caveat Emptor.
Not anymore.
I couldn't disagree more, respectfully. I am a licensed professional. My work product is buildings. I am licensed to look out for the health, safety, and welfare of the public because the general public is believed to lack the expertise to properly understand the complexities that make for safe and valuable buildings. If we were to apply your point to building buildings, bad things would happen.MouthBQ98 said:
I go the opposite way. We need to stop treating the employed press as if they are anything special or elite or noble. They're out to get ahead, make money, get famous, or virtue signal and feed their narcissism no different than anyone else who is attention seeking and sanctimonious and looking up get ahead. They simply need to be treated as what they are: nobody special, nobody with any special knowledge or expertise excepting those that demonstrate an ability to gather data and present it honestly and coherently.
The issue is always this: every consumer of information loves to have their confirmation biases indulged, and that gets attention and drives sales and value, so we always get people willing to spin, deceive, shock, and mislead with fear and feigned concern.
It's ultimately the responsibility of the consumer to know and understand this is always at play. Caveat Emptor.
I contend that information is perhaps even more difficult for the general public to properly evaluate because the subject matter of news is going to be impossibly varied and widely dispersed. There is no way for any member of the public to be able to understand everything that goes into every issue that results in a piece of information put out in the media or internet. At some point, you are going to have to trust the source. In my my profession and, there is licensing that should help to ensure at least a certain amount of trust and accountability. Journalists have no such mechanism other than reputation which doesn't seem to count for much when irreputable people continue to get passed around like cheap *****s amongst the MSM party members.
Also to your point, even with licensed journalists you would still have the wide open wild west of the internet where you would still have what you describe with ultimate responsibility falling on the consumer.
But I don't want to clog up this thread any further since it serves a pretty specific purpose, so maybe this should get moved to another thread if anyone wants to continue.
Freedom of Press was supposed to protect the press so they report the truth, including for the purpose of protecting the people from government (all sides).
Now the vast majority of the media are a wholly owned mouthpiece of one party. Exhibit A - all the emails just coming out showing their complicit and willing participation in the Russia hoax. Do those that are engaging in that practice deserve protection?
Now the vast majority of the media are a wholly owned mouthpiece of one party. Exhibit A - all the emails just coming out showing their complicit and willing participation in the Russia hoax. Do those that are engaging in that practice deserve protection?
2/2 If only there were a Congressional committee that could investigate such extra-judicial attacks on our Republic and the peaceful transfer of power.
— Margot Cleveland (@ProfMJCleveland) April 26, 2022
— Ted Cruz (@tedcruz) April 26, 2022
the history of america press shows its not a "now" thing. at the founding and through civil war, papers were much more one sided. the idea of "professional journalist" covering both sides is a 20th century thing.
So, hang on, this seems like a big deal. So Comey and Sztrok knew the whole time this was Hillary's lie?
Why haven't both been indicted/arrested yet?
Mr Durham, if you're listening: Sussmann's defense has been reduced to one argument, materiality. Here's a shortcut to clinch that issue. On Sep 7, 2016, Comey and Strozk received info that Hillary had concocted the Russiahoax. 12 days later a Hillary lawyer walks into the FBI... pic.twitter.com/4yzOWAzc97
— Hans Mahncke (@HansMahncke) April 26, 2022
Why haven't both been indicted/arrested yet?
The difference is if your work involves functions built around a fundamental individual civil right. The right to speech is above all the right to freely distribute information and opinion and does nothing to guarantee the quality or value of that information, just that government cannot impede it. A licensing trade association that acts as a proxy for government would be a serious danger to that free exchange of information if a single political group was able to co-opt or subvert that institution to its own purposes.
Fitting name.Agthatbuilds said:— Ted Cruz (@tedcruz) April 26, 2022
And people still think it's Russia…
To reiterate my hypothesis from last night, I have surmised that Russian Intelligence intercepted report 95 from the Steele➡️Fusion➡️Perkins➡️DNC/HFA pipeline and this is the basis for their assessment, however this pipeline is being covered by ACP, thus blocking Durham's access. https://t.co/4wLFY6CvrM
— FOOL NELSON (@FOOL_NELSON) April 26, 2022
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