Mueller dismisses top FBI agent in Russia probe for anti-Trump texts

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fasthorse05 said:

Hang, you have such reverence here, it's always nice to see your wisdom needs expanding!!
It's just a pain to open up a new window just to view a tweet. Kind of defeats the purpose for having embed function here.
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Surely you knew I was kidding.

There's a fine line in the written word to differentiate between being a smart ass and being meannot that I've mastered it!
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No problem.

Just as easy to grab the screen shot of the tweet and post it here. Unless it includes a video that is.

I have so many windows open all day anyway I actually forget what I do have open.
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Here's screen shots

And I captured this reply especially for will

This clown Dawson's typical nonsense, Trump's an FBI ally and They tried to frame Obama,



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Here you go, my tech-challenged friends! Here it is unrolled, all on one page here:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1496209475489103873.html

Edit: didn't see the screen shots already posted. ThreadReaderApp is pretty cool though. And I hate Twitter. I really wish people would migrate somewhere else, especially Conservatives.
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OK.. OK... I have stopped reading/posting Dawson, so lets move on.
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Tailgate88 said:

Here you go, my tech-challenged friends! Here it is unrolled, all on one page here:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1496209475489103873.html

Edit: didn't see the screen shots already posted. ThreadReaderApp is pretty cool though. And I hate Twitter. I really wish people would migrate somewhere else, especially Conservatives.
Only problem with the thread reader thing is if the tweets are deleted or the poster is banned, the tweets go away and the thread reader goes blank.

This 1300 page Clancy Novel needs all the documentation secure, even though in this case it's just a person's opinion

I just wish there was some way to turn this entire 1300+ pages into a manuscript.
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Print it as a PDF.
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Here ya go, for all you tech unsavvy people. (This is the first and only time I do this.)

Thread by GalacticRedPill

This morning a friend asked me why the Durham probe even matters, making the point that the damage is done and most people will never take the time to understand the details anyway.

It's a fair question, and worthy of a mini-thread in response...

Here's my opinion:
It matters because it's the first time we have overwhelming evidence that a sitting president intentionally interfered in the peaceful transition of power.

Not just "theories", actual verified evidence and documentation that have held up in multiple court cases to date.
44 launched an assault on our Republic by weaponizing the near unlimited power of the IC, the corporate media, and launching a literal witch hunt against anyone who questioned the matter.

This was a literal attack not just on 45, but on every single American citizen who voted.
The reason 44 chose this path was not just to punish a political rival, but to cover up even larger crimes against The People, committed not just by him but by previous administrations.

This saga isn't just a one-off, this is a window into the whole rotten machine.
If that's allowed to pass unchecked, without the People raising questions, then we deserve the authoritarian regime we get.

Those people suggesting digging into this is a pointless exercise are in fact accepting that we're merely serfs, and will always be serfs.

I say f that!
This corner of the internet has literally been half a decade ahead of the curve on this issue.

We haven't been wrong in the big picture sense, in fact nearly every revelation has shown more and more that we had this thing called near perfectly way back in the winter of '17.
And that TERRIFIES the elite.

Regular citizens, working together, unraveled a 21st century coup in real time and managed to spread the word to millions more. That's not meaningless or without value, no matter how Durham goes.

We must keep pushing forward, now more than ever.
Discerning truth and amplifying it is dangerous when you're doing so in opposition to the ruling powers. Yet, it must be done. Even at great risk.

And it makes me so proud to see so many small accounts, and some huge accounts, take on that challenge each day.
If citizens aren't willing to do the work to stay informed, especially in the midst of a (dis)information war, then we will never get out from under the boot of the State.

That's why it matters even now. At least, that's my opinion.

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redundancy noun the state of being not or no longer needed or useful.


I'm just busting your balls Will, you're a first rate poster in this masterpiece
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RyanM58699717 said:

will25u said:


This is the most important post in the entirety of Russiagate.
Would you expound a little more? Why the most important?

Edit spelling, seriously, Apple fix your autocorrect
"x pound" replaced "expound"
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
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sicandtiredTXN said:

Tailgate88 said:

Here you go, my tech-challenged friends! Here it is unrolled, all on one page here:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1496209475489103873.html

Edit: didn't see the screen shots already posted. ThreadReaderApp is pretty cool though. And I hate Twitter. I really wish people would migrate somewhere else, especially Conservatives.
Only problem with the thread reader thing is if the tweets are deleted or the poster is banned, the tweets go away and the thread reader goes blank.

This 1300 page Clancy Novel needs all the documentation secure, even though in this case it's just a person's opinion

I just wish there was some way to turn this entire 1300+ pages into a manuscript.
Geez don't give me the mean eyebrow, just trying to help.

I hate Twitter and try to avoid it as much as possible, and definitely didn't know the thread reader went blank ... that is odd. You would think they would archive them. But whatever.

+1 on turning this into a manuscript. I have said before, this thread is a treasure trove of historical data on this entire saga and I know for a fact that people who had never heard of TexAgs now follow it for updates.
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richardag said:

RyanM58699717 said:

will25u said:


This is the most important post in the entirety of Russiagate.
Would you expound a little more? Why the most important?

Edit spelling, seriously, Apple fix your autocorrect
"x pound" replaced "expound"
Sussman had what Crowd Strike gave him? Why did Crowd Strike give that to Sussman? Or did the DNC or Hillary campaign provide that info from Crowd Strike? Or was Crowd Strike also a client of Sussman's?

Point being, the timing, the billing of which client and how that report was passed around and promptly leaked to the press goes a long way to establishing conspiracy.
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aggiehawg said:

richardag said:

RyanM58699717 said:

will25u said:


This is the most important post in the entirety of Russiagate.
Would you expound a little more? Why the most important?

Edit spelling, seriously, Apple fix your autocorrect
"x pound" replaced "expound"
Sussman had what Crowd Strike gave him? Why did Crowd Strike give that to Sussman? Or did the DNC or Hillary campaign provide that info from Crowd Strike? Or was Crowd Strike also a client of Sussman's?

Point being, the timing, the billing of which client and how that report was passed around and promptly leaked to the press goes a long way to establishing conspiracy.
Thanks for the reply and helping me understand.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
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Tailgate88 said:

sicandtiredTXN said:

Tailgate88 said:

Here you go, my tech-challenged friends! Here it is unrolled, all on one page here:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1496209475489103873.html

Edit: didn't see the screen shots already posted. ThreadReaderApp is pretty cool though. And I hate Twitter. I really wish people would migrate somewhere else, especially Conservatives.
Only problem with the thread reader thing is if the tweets are deleted or the poster is banned, the tweets go away and the thread reader goes blank.

This 1300 page Clancy Novel needs all the documentation secure, even though in this case it's just a person's opinion

I just wish there was some way to turn this entire 1300+ pages into a manuscript.
Geez don't give me the mean eyebrow, just trying to help.

I hate Twitter and try to avoid it as much as possible, and definitely didn't know the thread reader went blank ... that is odd. You would think they would archive them. But whatever.

+1 on turning this into a manuscript. I have said before, this thread is a treasure trove of historical data on this entire saga and I know for a fact that people who had never heard of TexAgs now follow it for updates.
Mention me in the dedication page.
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aggiehawg said:

richardag said:

RyanM58699717 said:

will25u said:


This is the most important post in the entirety of Russiagate.
Would you expound a little more? Why the most important?

Edit spelling, seriously, Apple fix your autocorrect
"x pound" replaced "expound"
Sussman had what Crowd Strike gave him? Why did Crowd Strike give that to Sussman? Or did the DNC or Hillary campaign provide that info from Crowd Strike? Or was Crowd Strike also a client of Sussman's?

Point being, the timing, the billing of which client and how that report was passed around and promptly leaked to the press goes a long way to establishing conspiracy.
Hawg is making a real point and has multiple times.

Remember the big fuss that was put up long before Durham about the Banking and Billing records or Perkins Coie and Fusion GPS being subpoenaed by Nunes' investigators. They put up a real stink, and then suddenly when it looked like they may get drug into I think it was the Flynn Case, Perkins Coie released records showing the Billing summary between Perkins Coie and Fusion GPS but not the itemization breakdown, involving Sussmann or Elias. Then suddenly the billing stuff just lost it's interest by the media, but if you go back in this thread about 700 pages Hawg and others posted these bank records and discussed all this thoroughly three years ago, when all was focused on the origins of the dossier and who paid for it. Now we know the dossier was more of a distraction from the real issue, which was the Joffe/Neustar/GA Tech spying. But Hawgs emphasis on the billing is the key tie in, and it looks like Durham is on the same page with that.

Which is hilarious that it mirrors how Mitch McDeere brought down Bendini, Lambert and Locke
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It's "Stoopid" again...IF a conspiracy becomes a provable "fact", what is the significance?
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sicandtiredTXN said:

aggiehawg said:

richardag said:

RyanM58699717 said:

will25u said:


This is the most important post in the entirety of Russiagate.
Would you expound a little more? Why the most important?

Edit spelling, seriously, Apple fix your autocorrect
"x pound" replaced "expound"
Sussman had what Crowd Strike gave him? Why did Crowd Strike give that to Sussman? Or did the DNC or Hillary campaign provide that info from Crowd Strike? Or was Crowd Strike also a client of Sussman's?

Point being, the timing, the billing of which client and how that report was passed around and promptly leaked to the press goes a long way to establishing conspiracy.
Hawg is making a real point and has multiple times.

Remember the big fuss that was put up long before Durham about the Banking and Billing records or Perkins Coie and Fusion GPS being subpoenaed by Nunes' investigators. They put up a real stink, and then suddenly when it looked like they may get drug into I think it was the Flynn Case, Perkins Coie released records showing the Billing summary between Perkins Coie and Fusion GPS but not the itemization breakdown, involving Sussmann or Elias. Then suddenly the billing stuff just lost it's interest by the media, but if you go back in this thread about 700 pages Hawg and others posted these bank records and discussed all this thoroughly three years ago, when all was focused on the origins of the dossier and who paid for it. Now we know the dossier was more of a distraction from the real issue, which was the Joffe/Neustar/GA Tech spying. But Hawgs emphasis on the billing is the key tie in, and it looks like Durham is on the same page with that.
Was not my field of law but had a reason to work with some excellent legal and medical malpractice attorneys on a legal malpractice case for a couple of years. My former business partner had used them in his own legal malpractice/conflict of interest case on an unrelated project (he was a real estate developer) just a year or so earlier.

Learned a lot from those guys...about billing records and how to use them because they are not completely off limits due to privilege. Any specifics as to actual work product is redacted but the time/date done, for which client, and a generalized classification such as "conference" "court appearance" "motion drafting" etc. is discoverable.

BTW, billing records probably have gotten much less precise over at Perkins, Coie in the last few years. And they are non-existent at Elias' new firm. Wager everything is only retainer based. When funds run low, client gets an email saying they need to ante up. No billing records. (My WAG.)
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whatthehey78 said:

It's "Stoopid" again...IF a conspiracy becomes a provable "fact", what is the significance?
Statute of Limitations for criminal charges is tolled until five years after the last "act" in furtherance of the conspiracy...












Such as Hillary Clinton tweeting about it. See?
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aggiehawg said:

sicandtiredTXN said:

aggiehawg said:

richardag said:

RyanM58699717 said:

will25u said:


This is the most important post in the entirety of Russiagate.
Would you expound a little more? Why the most important?

Edit spelling, seriously, Apple fix your autocorrect
"x pound" replaced "expound"
Sussman had what Crowd Strike gave him? Why did Crowd Strike give that to Sussman? Or did the DNC or Hillary campaign provide that info from Crowd Strike? Or was Crowd Strike also a client of Sussman's?

Point being, the timing, the billing of which client and how that report was passed around and promptly leaked to the press goes a long way to establishing conspiracy.
Hawg is making a real point and has multiple times.

Remember the big fuss that was put up long before Durham about the Banking and Billing records or Perkins Coie and Fusion GPS being subpoenaed by Nunes' investigators. They put up a real stink, and then suddenly when it looked like they may get drug into I think it was the Flynn Case, Perkins Coie released records showing the Billing summary between Perkins Coie and Fusion GPS but not the itemization breakdown, involving Sussmann or Elias. Then suddenly the billing stuff just lost it's interest by the media, but if you go back in this thread about 700 pages Hawg and others posted these bank records and discussed all this thoroughly three years ago, when all was focused on the origins of the dossier and who paid for it. Now we know the dossier was more of a distraction from the real issue, which was the Joffe/Neustar/GA Tech spying. But Hawgs emphasis on the billing is the key tie in, and it looks like Durham is on the same page with that.
Was not my field of law but had a reason to work with some excellent legal and medical malpractice attorneys on a legal malpractice case for a couple of years. My former business partner had used them in his own legal malpractice/conflict of interest case on an unrelated project (he was a real estate developer) just a year or so earlier.

Learned a lot from those guys...about billing records and how to use them because they are not completely off limits due to privilege. Any specifics as to actual work product is redacted but the time/date done, for which client, and a generalized classification such as "conference" "court appearance" "motion drafting" etc. is discoverable.

BTW, billing records probably have gotten much less precise over at Perkins, Coie in the last few years. And they are non-existent at Elias' new firm. Wager everything is only retainer based. When funds run low, client gets an email saying they need to ante up. No billing records. (My WAG.)
Which is hilarious that it mirrors how Mitch McDeere brought down Bendini, Lambert and Locke
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aggiehawg said:

whatthehey78 said:

It's "Stoopid" again...IF a conspiracy becomes a provable "fact", what is the significance?
Statute of Limitations for criminal charges is tolled until five years after the last "act" in furtherance of the conspiracy...












Such as Hillary Clinton tweeting about it. See?
I understand that aspect...but, am I right in assuming the term "conspiracy" in this scenario is akin to "conspiracy to defraud the govt.", etc.??? So a fraud case against the conspirators??? If so...are we talking fines or jail time or perhaps, both??
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whatthehey78 said:

It's "Stoopid" again...IF a conspiracy becomes a provable "fact", what is the significance?
Conspiracy isn't a crime. Conspiracy to purposefully misrepresent facts falls in the gray area between 'dirty tricks' and fraud. We're still in the 'dirty tricks' zone ... for now.
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Conspiracy is basically a legal verb. A criminal conspiracy exists when two or more people agree to commit almost any unlawful act, then take some action toward its completion. In the case of Durham 18 USC 371 the statute is broad enough in its terms to include any conspiracy for the purpose of impairing, obstructing or defeating the lawful function of any department of government. So misleading the DOJ/FBI to send them on a wild goose chase by lying, is a crime, and by feeding them actual fraudulent documents, or a media of data, doctored photos, whatever is a felony and is 'normally' prison time. There are just so many moving parts in this thing it's hard to know exactly what all Durham has, but we've seen enough publically to say it's criminal.

Durham has precedent on his side as well because the SCOTUS in two cases, Hass v Henkel, 216 U.S. 462, and Hammerschmidt v US, 265 U.S. 182 the court laid out specifics.
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Any conspiracy which is calculated to obstruct or impair its efficiency and destroy the value of its operation and reports as fair, impartial and reasonably accurate, would be to defraud the United States by depriving it of its lawful right and duty of promulgating or diffusing the information so officially acquired in the way and at the time required by law or departmental regulation.
I think that's pretty cut and dried.

So we will see who all Durham is roping into this, we'll just have to wait and see. And as Hawg pointed out, people like Hillary and others still pushing the lie on Social Media could possibly be viewed as the continuation of the same fraud. We'll see


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benchmark said:

whatthehey78 said:

It's "Stoopid" again...IF a conspiracy becomes a provable "fact", what is the significance?
Conspiracy isn't a crime. Conspiracy to purposefully misrepresent facts falls in the gray area between 'dirty tricks' and fraud. We're still in the 'dirty tricks' zone ... for now.
Conspiracy is a crime. Collusion is not unless it is in furtherance of a conspiracy. And then it charged as a conspiracy.

The relevant connection here is the Mueller indictment of the GRU for imagined cyber crimes against Hillary and in favor of of Trump. That indictment dropped right as Trump was meeting in Helsinki with Putin.

Remember how that played out? Putin offered to send his GRU guys to the US if Trump would send Browder and others connected to Magnitsky Act to Russia? Trump was caught completely flat footed.

In hindsight, he maybe should have taken Putin up on that one with certain assurances. Mueller investigation would have done not too long after. Speedy trial and all.

A reminder: The Internet Research Agency case. Mueller indicts a Putin bestie and his company on spurious grounds, relying on the defendants never showing up to court. Only they did, with highly competent counsel.

What did the vaunted Team Mueller legal team do? Went nuts. Cried about lack of service on the defendants who had shown up in court in a general appearance, in no way contesting service nor jurisdiction.

Every prosecutor in the US would be jumping for joy when a defendant that they couldn't really get into court, showed up in court, in a general appearance, not a special appearance in which to contest jurisdiction. That's a freakin' WIN for Team Mueller. Why are they crying?

Because they knew it was complete BS and they could not win at trial, that's why. And a few years later, that case was dismissed.

It was all political.

Obligatory:

Aaaannd Mueller and his entire team are all a POS.
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Likely the only time in history a prosecutor complained of lack of service on a defendant making a general appearance. That should have destroyed team Mueller's credibility.
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Folks THANKS for the clarity!! I do appreciate your making the effort to help us non-lawyer types. My only (real world) experience had to do with contract law and performance thereof. I will diligently try to not interrupt this excellent dialogue. THANKS AGAIN!
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whatthehey78 said:

Folks THANKS for the clarity!! I do appreciate your making the effort to help us non-lawyer types. My only (real world) experience had to do with contract law and performance thereof. I will diligently try to not interrupt this excellent dialogue. THANKS AGAIN!
Honest open discussion is NEVER an interruption it's a learning moment for us all
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VegasAg86 said:

Likely the only time is history a prosecutor complained of lack of service on a defendant making a general appearance. That should destroy team Mueller's credibility.
My jaw hit the ground when I read that transcript. WF? She asked for a delay until they could effectuate service on the defendants who had counsel standing in the f***ing court room with a general appearance.

Insane. Or Team Mueller had very very bad lawyers on it. And I mean actual trial lawyers.

One thing I have learned over the last year of watching the Zimmerman, Chauvin, Rittenhouse, Potter, Halderson and now Reeves' trial is that really good trial attorneys in the criminal setting are few and far between.

Zimmerman's defense counsel were almost flawless. Took some chances but those paid off.

Chauvin's defense counsel was one guy against 15 lawyers on the prosecution side. Judge was not a good judge either and let his court room become a joke. That verdict was pre-ordained since the video went viral. I thought he was guilty as hell based on that, too. But none of the medical evidence supported that. And all of the evidence about how screwed up the dispatch and EMS services are in Minneapolis just backed that up. Cops called EMS twice. They were three blocks away, less than 1/2 mile but did not show up until after Floyd had left the scene in another ambulance that refused to go into the scene because there was an angry crowd.

Now what comes first? Cops call for EMS, they ignore the call, leave the cops there, crowd gets increasingly angry, when EMS finally decides to show up, holds off from entering the scene because the crowd is now a problem
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whatthehey78 said:

aggiehawg said:

whatthehey78 said:

It's "Stoopid" again...IF a conspiracy becomes a provable "fact", what is the significance?
Statute of Limitations for criminal charges is tolled until five years after the last "act" in furtherance of the conspiracy...

Such as Hillary Clinton tweeting about it. See?
I understand that aspect...but, am I right in assuming the term "conspiracy" in this scenario is akin to "conspiracy to defraud the govt.", etc.??? So a fraud case against the conspirators??? If so...are we talking fines or jail time or perhaps, both??
We should be talking about the Tree of Liberty, but we are hoping for jail, but will probably have to settle for her going somewhere and never hearing from her again.
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While we are on a roll on To Cruise lawyer movies tonight

Sam Weinberg: I strenuously object? Is that how it works? Objection. Overruled. No, no, no, no, I strenuously object. Oh, well if you strenuously object, let me take a moment to reconsider.

Jo Gallaway: I got it on the record.

Sam Weinberg: You also got it in the jury's head that we're afraid of the doctor. You object once so they can hear you say he's not a criminologist. You keep after it and it looks like this great cross we did was just a bunch of fancy lawyer tricks. It's the difference between paper law and trial law! Christ you even had the Judge saying Stone was an expert witness!!
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aggiehawg said:

Tailgate88 said:

sicandtiredTXN said:

Tailgate88 said:

Here you go, my tech-challenged friends! Here it is unrolled, all on one page here:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1496209475489103873.html

Edit: didn't see the screen shots already posted. ThreadReaderApp is pretty cool though. And I hate Twitter. I really wish people would migrate somewhere else, especially Conservatives.
Only problem with the thread reader thing is if the tweets are deleted or the poster is banned, the tweets go away and the thread reader goes blank.

This 1300 page Clancy Novel needs all the documentation secure, even though in this case it's just a person's opinion

I just wish there was some way to turn this entire 1300+ pages into a manuscript.
Geez don't give me the mean eyebrow, just trying to help.

I hate Twitter and try to avoid it as much as possible, and definitely didn't know the thread reader went blank ... that is odd. You would think they would archive them. But whatever.

+1 on turning this into a manuscript. I have said before, this thread is a treasure trove of historical data on this entire saga and I know for a fact that people who had never heard of TexAgs now follow it for updates.
Mention me in the dedication page.


I was hoping you would be the editor.
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Tailgate88 said:

aggiehawg said:

Tailgate88 said:

sicandtiredTXN said:

Tailgate88 said:

Here you go, my tech-challenged friends! Here it is unrolled, all on one page here:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1496209475489103873.html

Edit: didn't see the screen shots already posted. ThreadReaderApp is pretty cool though. And I hate Twitter. I really wish people would migrate somewhere else, especially Conservatives.
Only problem with the thread reader thing is if the tweets are deleted or the poster is banned, the tweets go away and the thread reader goes blank.

This 1300 page Clancy Novel needs all the documentation secure, even though in this case it's just a person's opinion

I just wish there was some way to turn this entire 1300+ pages into a manuscript.
Geez don't give me the mean eyebrow, just trying to help.

I hate Twitter and try to avoid it as much as possible, and definitely didn't know the thread reader went blank ... that is odd. You would think they would archive them. But whatever.

+1 on turning this into a manuscript. I have said before, this thread is a treasure trove of historical data on this entire saga and I know for a fact that people who had never heard of TexAgs now follow it for updates.
Mention me in the dedication page.


I was hoping you would be the editor.
This story has taken so many turns, any editor would to have to keep a timeline of what was known when.

I cannot do that.
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