Mueller dismisses top FBI agent in Russia probe for anti-Trump texts

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In reply to aggiehawg • 9:32a, 8/22/20
Damn!

Didn't expect that answer. Thanks.

For the general public, I'm sure depositions and trials are right up there with the most stressful times in life---death, divorce, and sickness.

Yuck!

Edited to say now I'm not so sure they have good evidence on Brennan, because this is damned complicated, and Brennan was right in the middle.
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9:35a, 8/22/20
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Keep in Mind Durham Is one of FOUR federal attorneys looking at aspects of this. Something not in his scope may be precisely the focus of one of the others.
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In reply to fasthorse05 • 9:43a, 8/22/20
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fasthorse05 said:
Damn!

Didn't expect that answer. Thanks.

For the general public, I'm sure depositions and trials are right up there with the most stressful times in life---death, divorce, and sickness.

Yuck!

Edited to say now I'm not so sure they have good evidence on Brennan, because this is damned complicated, and Brennan was right in the middle.
Just think about it. When people testify before Congress, the time in which to ask questions is limited. In a deposition behind closed doors, time is longer but still limited.

Get outside of that context, the time is not limited. And if multiple lawyers are involved? You can see how long such interviews can easily last.

At the moment, I am assuming that Brennan appeared voluntarily and was not under a grand jury subpoena. That means his lawyers had negotiated some type of agreement with Durham to limit it to one day. So they took full advantage of it.
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9:47a, 8/22/20
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Depends on the case and the attorney as well. A skilled attorney can get what he needs in 2-3 hours whereas a less skilled attorney may need a full day. I've dealt with some lawyers that like to use the fact that depositions are in comfy to draw them out as long as possible, force people to travel, harass, etc. Those tactics usually don't work but I see it more than I'd like to.
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9:53a, 8/22/20
It didn't sound like Flynn's interview lasted more than 30 min
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In reply to drcrinum • 10:29a, 8/22/20
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https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1296977643296915456.html
So was Trump
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In reply to Aggie Jurist • 11:17a, 8/22/20
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Believe it when I see it. We had a SecState/Pres candidate who put national security at risk (and I'm certain she was hacked) to protect herself from disclosure to the American people, gave away national assets, and lined her pockets (and those of her hubby and daughter). NSA Rice lied openly (and also communicated via the personal e-mail address). These people are criminals and traitors. They weren't held to account when we KNEW the facts. Ultimately Gov't protects its own - and once again, we've been had. Rules are for the ruled, not the rulers.
And this will continue until enough people grown enough testicles and care enough to come out of their lockdowns, (that they went into willingly) and from behind their computers and take an open stand in mass peaceful protest!


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In reply to fullback44 • 11:40a, 8/22/20
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Durham has never stated this... Brennan's team is pushing this so that when he gets indicted he can claim political prosecution... he's in deep doodoo and he knows it
Was Brennan's team parsing words? Was Brennan simply interviewed and not under oath ... or was it a sworn deposition under oath as a grand jury witness? Big difference. If the later, it's DOJ policy to inform a grand jury witness if they're a 'subject' or 'target.'

Also, a big difference between "target and 'subject' .... a subject of an investigation is someone whose conduct is within the scope of the GJ's investigation. Difficult to believe that Brennan conduct wasn't within the scope of a GJ investigation

DOJ Justice Manual - Section 9-11.151
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In reply to pacecar02 • 12:27p, 8/22/20
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It didn't sound like Flynn's interview lasted more than 30 min
Well, we don't really know, because the DoJ has refused to provide any of the documentation to this effect.
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2:59p, 8/22/20
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  • A former State Department official destroyed reports he received from former British spy Christopher Steele, according to a Senate report released on Tuesday.
  • Jonathan Winer, who was Steele's point of contact at the State Department, said that Steele asked him to destroy the records in January 2017, the same month that the Trump dossier became public.
  • The Senate report also says that Winer initially denied that he arranged a meeting in October 2016 for Steele at the State Department. Winer corrected his statement in a follow-up interview after he was shown State Department visitor logs.
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former State Department official told the Senate Intelligence Committee he destroyed records in January 2017 at the request of former British spy Christopher Steele, according to a report released on Tuesday.

Jonathan Winer, who served as special envoy to Libya through early 2017, was Steele's contact at the State Department. He arranged a meeting for Steele in October 2016 with another State Department official at Foggy Bottom to share findings from a dossier of research he had compiled on Donald Trump.

The Senate Intelligence Committee interviewed Winer twice about his contacts with Steele and his handling of the dossier, on July 10, 2017 and April 18, 2018.

According to the Senate report, Winer disclosed that he destroyed reports that Steele had sent him over the years. The Senate report also says that Winer failed to reveal when asked in his first interview with the committee that he had arranged the meeting for Steele at the State Department months earlier.
Got damn Senate Intel committee again! This is infuriating!

LINK
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In reply to aggiehawg • 3:17p, 8/22/20
The only thing I can do is the unload on Cornyn's and Cruz' office on Monday.

I haven't done it yet, but I'm so fearful they don't understand how incredibly pissed 40%, minimum, of the populace is, that they may let this **** go.

It's either that, or join the Dems, and work my way up to CEO-Chief Embezzlement Officer-of whatever Dem institution I choose, and start raking in the money.
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In reply to fasthorse05 • 3:25p, 8/22/20
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By all means, wail away on Cornyn but Cruz isn't on that committee.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 3:29p, 8/22/20
While I didn't know, I trust Cruz knows the score, who's playing, and what the stakes are.

Cornyn may be conservative politically, but he reminds me of the four members of the SSCI, although I do believe he's not quite that slippery.

I don't want to "wail" too much, they'll hang up. Maybe I can use a big word so they'll think I can read.
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3:37p, 8/22/20


https://www.redstate.com/shipwreckedcrew/2020/08/22/john-brennan-perjury-trap-yeserday-completely-legitimate-one/

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.......The purpose of the interview was to get Brennan to confirm or deny information that others have provided up to this point about Brennan, and what he instructed others to do.

John Brennan was placed into a perjury trap yesterday because he's shown himself willing to perjure himself in the past in order to evade scrutiny.

Yesterday, the ability to avoid the trap was completely within his control -- all he had to do was tell the truth. For the most part, Durham's investigators knew the truth.

John Brennan doesn't come from a world of objective "truths" and "lies". For Brennan, the "truth" is always malleable to fit his needs at any given moment.

That's CIA tradecraft. He sees himself as a master of such "dark arts" based on his decades in DC. Others have long viewed him as a clown.

That's why, as a prosecutor, you save a liar like John Brennan for last. He can't help you because you can't rely on what he tells you.

So your interview is not done for the purpose of helping your case.

And you do it in Virginia and not DC because of what you plan to do next.

Good read. Shipwreckedcrew downplays the so-called statement put out by a third party as to Brennan being told he was not a target.
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In reply to drcrinum • 4:03p, 8/22/20
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I really enjoyed the last third of that one.
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In reply to drcrinum • 4:59p, 8/22/20
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drcrinum said:
https://www.redstate.com/shipwreckedcrew/2020/08/22/john-brennan-perjury-trap-yeserday-completely-legitimate-one/
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That's why, as a prosecutor, you save a liar like John Brennan for last. He can't help you because you can't rely on what he tells you.
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And you do it in Virginia and not DC because of what you plan to do next.
Good read. Shipwreckedcrew downplays the so-called statement put out by a third party as to Brennan being told he was not a target.
Thanks for sharing ... nice catch on Langley interview and awesome wrap up statements. However, he'd be wrong that subject is a "made-up" classification that doesn't exist. DOJ's Justice Manual clearly defines both "target' and 'subject' witnesses .... splitting hairs really because any GJ witness that isn't a "target" is technically a "subject."
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7:52p, 8/22/20


https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/08/22/my-discussion-with-john-durhams-lead-investigator-william-aldenberg/

Sundance's briefing with Durham's key player, William Aldenberg.
Senator Warner might be sweating; Weissmann too.

Edit: Sidney Powell retweeted the above.


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In reply to drcrinum • 8:25p, 8/22/20
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The special counsel group took the Dugan file apart and began providing cover for their political allies. That's why the Mark Warner text messages were released on February 9, 2018.
I don't understand these two sentences.

If they were covering for their political allies, why were Warner's text messages released? Warner IS a political ally.
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In reply to fasthorse05 • 8:30p, 8/22/20
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The special counsel group took the Dugan file apart and began providing cover for their political allies. That's why the Mark Warner text messages were released on February 9, 2018.
I don't understand these two sentences.

If they were covering for their political allies, why were Warner's text messages released? Warner IS a political ally.
Confusion. Nobody knew who released them. Then when Carter Page's FISA also mysteriously appeared, no one would connect the dots (& no one did till Sundance figured it out).
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In reply to fasthorse05 • 8:50p, 8/22/20
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So it could be "old news" since few paid attention to it.

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Dugan tells us in the Wolfe indictment how the leak took place. The original FISA application is 83 pages with two mostly blank pages. Wolfe sent Ali Watkins 82 text messages (pictures), and later that evening had a lengthy phone call about it. Dugan put Wolfe under physical surveillance for several months as he gathered more information.

Dugan obtained enough evidence surrounding Watkins participation to gain a search warrant for her email, electronic communication and phone records. At the same time it appears Dugan obtained the text messages between Chris Steele's lawyer, Adam Waldman, and Vice-Chairman Mark Warner. The dates of both captures are very similar.

After more investigative paths were followed; and after more surveillance was conducted; eventually Wolfe was confronted. He lied three times over two dates until eventually Dugan put the direct evidence in front of him, and on December 15, 2017, Wolfe admitted to the leak. He was fired from the SSCI.

Sometime around mid-January 2018 Dugan wrapped up his investigation. However, because the special counsel held investigative authority over everything Trump-Russia, which included the FISA application, Dugan's entire investigative file had to transfer over to the special counsel for review before going to the DC U.S. Attorney for a grand jury.

That moment is when things get really troublesome.

Dugan's delivery of the investigative file to Main Justice (mid January '18) was the first time the special counsel knew of the totality of the investigation, and the issues with a trail of evidence going back to a serious SSCI compromise. The special counsel group took the Dugan file apart and began providing cover for their political allies. That's why the Mark Warner text messages were released on February 9, 2018.

The Wolfe leak was toxic to the purpose of the special counsel. There were also serious issues with an intelligence compromise, a national security compromise, an SSCI compromise, a gang-of-eight compromise, and a compromise between the legislative and executive branches of government. The special counsel was in damage control mode.

Despite recommendations and normal procedures, "Top FBI leadership", including FBI Director Chris Wray, made decisions not to do a national security damage assessment based on the identified intelligence compromises. The ramifications are rather stark. Everyone was in cover-up mode.
Team Mueller ran away from anything Carter Page related. They had to if they wanted to stay in business.

Obligatory:

Aaaaannnd, every member of Team Mueller are each a POS.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 7:14a, 8/23/20
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I always forget that Wray was involved in the Wolfe cover-up too. Sundance and shipwreckedcrew got into a bit of a twitter fight this weekend over why/how the 'official' position was or wasn't that the government couldn't prove that is what Wolfe leaked.

I actually agree with Sundance (to my surprise) on this that it absolutely could have been proven at trial, but, I still think he goes way overboard in his legal analyses. Whatever, the bottom line is the SSCI had to be protected by the swamp/Wray.



We also all know that in fact the warrant application is exactly what Wolfe took images of (82 pages) in the SCIF (note, no electronic devices are even allowed in these facilities), and he should absolutely have been charged with mishandling classified information, not just false statements. Warner also should have been charged, it would seem obvious to me.
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In reply to nortex97 • 10:24a, 8/23/20
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Warner also should have been charged, it would seem obvious to me.
Me as well.

I so desperately want Warner indicted and convicted because I'm hoping it will give all of the bent, and wannabe bent, politicians on the Hill to reconsider their past, and future actions. I don't know if it would be enough incentive, but i'm hanging my hat on this thought for the time being.

I also hope it would give pause to the Soros DA's, and the willfully incompetent governors and mayors.

Maybe not, but the thought makes me feel better.

BTW, I understand no electronic devices are allowed inside a SCIF room. How was Wolfe able to take "images" of Carter's FISA warrant?


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10:34a, 8/23/20


https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2020-08-21%20Submission%20SJC%20SSCI.pdf


Well, well, well. What do we have here?
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In reply to drcrinum • 10:39a, 8/23/20
Here we go, doc.

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What is an example of sedition?

Sedition is considered to be a lesser crime than treason, as a seditionist encourages rebellion, but does not take overt actions in his attempt to interfere with, or overthrow the government. For example, a person may commit sedition by holding a meeting to discuss a rebellion or revolution in his home
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10:43a, 8/23/20
The foreign government that attempted to influence the Clinton Campaign with $$$...was it Russia or Ukraine? Both are logical assumptions for obvious reasons. China would be in the mix though, since they were reading all her emails in real time & would have had inside knowledge on how to deal with her.
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10:47a, 8/23/20
It still pisses me off every day that the Trump/Barr DOJ is still defending and protecting Crooked Hillary in her fight with Tom Fitton and Judicial Watch!
Liberals are Damn Liars! Terminate Section 230! It has been ONLY 72!hours since my last banning for defending my conservative values against liberal snowflake cupcakes and the LIBERAL Mod’s that protect them! Fairness is a myth! Stop trying to silence us! Decent LAW ABIDING HUMAN BEINGS MATTER and so do our voices. When you protect the wicked, the Anarchist, the deviant, you become One of them!

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In reply to nortex97 • 10:52a, 8/23/20
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I always forget that Wray was involved in the Wolfe cover-up too. Sundance and shipwreckedcrew got into a bit of a twitter fight this weekend over why/how the 'official' position was or wasn't that the government couldn't prove that is what Wolfe leaked.

I actually agree with Sundance (to my surprise) on this that it absolutely could have been proven at trial, but, I still think he goes way overboard in his legal analyses. Whatever, the bottom line is the SSCI had to be protected by the swamp/Wray.
Agree. And yes the case against Wolfe was easily provable in court. And when Wolfe threatened to gray mail the SSCI, the answer to that is to hold the trial under Classified Information Procedures Act. Closed court room sealed evidence. Easy, peasy.

The fact that they didn't is infuriating.
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11:07a, 8/23/20


Today's show, about Brennan. Short video.
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In reply to BanderaAg956 • 11:22a, 8/23/20
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It still pisses me off every day that the Trump/Barr DOJ is still defending and protecting Crooked Hillary in her fight with Tom Fitton and Judicial Watch!
my neophyte legal opinions come from old episodes of Perry Mason and what i glean from the news. so fwiw, i think the reason is professional courtesy as homage to the swamp...

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show me the man and i'll find the crime -Lavrentiy Beria

in a post-constitutional America - where the legal system is used for political purposes - you take a risk when prosecuting high level figures...they or their minions will be sure to circle back and go after you for any plausible reason later. Not prosecuting GCF, Comey, etc is itself is an attempt at an insurance policy against being indicted yourself (eg Barr, Trump) in the future.
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In reply to drcrinum • 11:57a, 8/23/20
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......

........

Well, well, well. What do we have here?
I hate all of these redactions, most of which aren't even remotely necessary.

edit: changed are to aren't
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In reply to aggiehawg • 1:44p, 8/23/20
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I always forget that Wray was involved in the Wolfe cover-up too. Sundance and shipwreckedcrew got into a bit of a twitter fight this weekend over why/how the 'official' position was or wasn't that the government couldn't prove that is what Wolfe leaked.

I actually agree with Sundance (to my surprise) on this that it absolutely could have been proven at trial, but, I still think he goes way overboard in his legal analyses. Whatever, the bottom line is the SSCI had to be protected by the swamp/Wray.
Agree. And yes the case against Wolfe was easily provable in court. And when Wolfe threatened to gray mail the SSCI, the answer to that is to hold the trial under Classified Information Procedures Act. Closed court room sealed evidence. Easy, peasy.

The fact that they didn't is infuriating.
Hawg, I think it is more of an issue that those Senators/Lawyers are probably on the Evolutionary scale somewhere between Rats and Wolverines, and don't possess your legal acumen...and never will.

But they are meaner than cat-pucky...
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In reply to drcrinum • 3:26p, 8/23/20
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drcrinum said:


https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2020-08-21%20Submission%20SJC%20SSCI.pdf


Well, well, well. What do we have here?
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So it could be "old news" since few paid attention to it.

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Dugan tells us in the Wolfe indictment how the leak took place. The original FISA application is 83 pages with two mostly blank pages. Wolfe sent Ali Watkins 82 text messages (pictures), and later that evening had a lengthy phone call about it. Dugan put Wolfe under physical surveillance for several months as he gathered more information.

Dugan obtained enough evidence surrounding Watkins participation to gain a search warrant for her email, electronic communication and phone records. At the same time it appears Dugan obtained the text messages between Chris Steele's lawyer, Adam Waldman, and Vice-Chairman Mark Warner. The dates of both captures are very similar.

After more investigative paths were followed; and after more surveillance was conducted; eventually Wolfe was confronted. He lied three times over two dates until eventually Dugan put the direct evidence in front of him, and on December 15, 2017, Wolfe admitted to the leak. He was fired from the SSCI.

Sometime around mid-January 2018 Dugan wrapped up his investigation. However, because the special counsel held investigative authority over everything Trump-Russia, which included the FISA application, Dugan's entire investigative file had to transfer over to the special counsel for review before going to the DC U.S. Attorney for a grand jury.

That moment is when things get really troublesome.

Dugan's delivery of the investigative file to Main Justice (mid January '18) was the first time the special counsel knew of the totality of the investigation, and the issues with a trail of evidence going back to a serious SSCI compromise. The special counsel group took the Dugan file apart and began providing cover for their political allies. That's why the Mark Warner text messages were released on February 9, 2018.

The Wolfe leak was toxic to the purpose of the special counsel. There were also serious issues with an intelligence compromise, a national security compromise, an SSCI compromise, a gang-of-eight compromise, and a compromise between the legislative and executive branches of government. The special counsel was in damage control mode.

Despite recommendations and normal procedures, "Top FBI leadership", including FBI Director Chris Wray, made decisions not to do a national security damage assessment based on the identified intelligence compromises. The ramifications are rather stark. Everyone was in cover-up mode.
Team Mueller ran away from anything Carter Page related. They had to if they wanted to stay in business.

Obligatory:

Aaaaannnd, every member of Team Mueller are each a POS.

I could be mistaken but didn't Dugan also change a date on the FISA application he sent over to the SSCI which identified that specific FISA copy to the information the MSM NYTimes reported?
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8:57p, 8/23/20
This is a little bit of a sidebar, but make sure to DVR Levin tonight.

The first half has Hans von Spakowsky about the election, which will be heavily impacted by our thread information. The second half is about HCQ, but should be placed somewhere else.

Candidly, it deserves it's own thread, it's that good. Basically, Biden has hired 600 lawyers, which suggest a minimum of 50 lawsuits depending on the outcome of the election, one for each State---fancy that. I expected this to a degree, but the Left is apparently serious about violence, because if this does indeed come to pass with all of the mail-in and absentee ballots, our side won't hold back forever.
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