I don't understand why Sullivan has decided to die on the amici's brief hill. They are merely position papers from each side with only the weight the judge decides to give them. They carry no legal standing.

Make the ruling you are entitled to make and move on to the next step.

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I don't understand why Sullivan has decided to die on the amici's brief hill. They are merely position papers from each side with only the weight the judge decides to give them. They carry no legal standing.

Make the ruling you are entitled to make and move on to the next step.

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I wonder if each "step" is intended to have a life of its own as if someone is controlling Sullivan

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I don't understand why Sullivan has decided to die on the amici's brief hill. They are merely position papers from each side with only the weight the judge decides to give them. They carry no legal standing.

Make the ruling you are entitled to make and move on to the next step.

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Puppet master is pulling his strings hard, or he's trying to get himself removed from this case to get out of the jam he's in.

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I don't understand why Sullivan has decided to die on the amici's brief hill. They are merely position papers from each side with only the weight the judge decides to give them. They carry no legal standing.

Make the ruling you are entitled to make and move on to the next step.

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I wonder if each "step" is intended to have a life of its own as if someone is controlling Sullivan

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Keep in mind, Flynn is under a gag order until this case is over. I suspect the moment it ends, he's going to have a hell of a lot to say, both to the American public, and to Congress (I can see Graham calling him to testify).

And Trump probably has that all laid out already as to when and where he'll appear, and possibly even a role for him in the Trump admin to say oversee an audit of the intelligence agencies.

Dems are doing everything they can to keep that from happening.

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Keep in mind, Flynn is under a gag order until this case is over. I suspect the moment it ends, he's going to have a hell of a lot to say, both to the American public, and to Congress (I can see Graham calling him to testify).

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Not sure Flynn is under a gag order since Sidney is talking all over the place. But out of an abundance of caution, Flynn should be keeping his mouth shut anyway. Sullivan is openly hostile to him. Don't run the risk of further poking that bear unless he's loaded for bear.

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Keep in mind, Flynn is under a gag order until this case is over. I suspect the moment it ends, he's going to have a hell of a lot to say, both to the American public, and to Congress (I can see Graham calling him to testify).

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Not sure Flynn is under a gag order since Sidney is talking all over the place. But out of an abundance of caution, Flynn should be keeping his mouth shut anyway. Sullivan is openly hostile to him. Don't run the risk of further poking that bear unless he's loaded for bear.

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Is it possible that Flynn can be gagged regarding any knowledge he has of underlying facts, conversations, who done what to whom and when stretching back to 2014 and earlier, people, places, skeletons, etc., but at the same time can, through Powell, talk about the case status, evidence now in the public domain, etc.?

And Flynn has done a remarkable job keeping his silence...

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So on Twitter I have been seeing more and more people thinking that Rosenstein is going to break everything open on the 3rd. And then on the 4th, Lindsey Graham gets his vote for subpoenas.

Papa is saying this, Brian Cates has stuck to his guns in this.

The timing of Resenstein and then the vote in the 4th seems to line up perfectly for it to happen.

What's everyone's thoughts?

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I posted a few days ago about rosenstein, right after the 25th Amendment story came out and appeared to be true, was on a Friday night flight to Miralago with Trump and I have always speculated that Trump's legal team was there and read rosenstein the riot act and that since then rosenstein has done everything Barr wanted him to until his "retirement". It has made me believe that rosenstein is likely a cooperating witness, especially after seeing his memos.

I hate to get my hopes up again, but it would make a much better story for rosenstein to admit what has gone on to congress rather than have "Trump's flunky" Barr and Durham breaking it with indictments. Would be very hard for the press to ignore that or downplay it as purely partisan.

I doubt that is how it plays out - more likely to be a bunch of "I don't remember" and "I can't answer that in this setting" type of crap. But sooner or later, one of these scumbags is going to turn (most likely several already have). I've always suspected clapper would be easy to flip for a deal and rosenstein seems like he would be, too.

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He strikes me as a "mild card." My guess is he's going to try to play this exactly as you said in your last paragraph: say as little as possible and cover his ass as best as possible in the process.

But I would love to see him tell the truth and lay these events right on the table for everyone to see.

We may never get there, but the best thing to open the eyes of Americans on this issue would be for someone who was in on it to own it and acknowledge the process.

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Is it possible that Flynn can be gagged regarding any knowledge he has of underlying facts, conversations, who done what to whom and when stretching back to 2014 and earlier, people, places, skeletons, etc., but at the same time can, through Powell, talk about the case status, evidence now in the public domain, etc.?

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That's still risky. Making a determination of which classified material is or is not "in the public domain."

Flynn was military and then a head spook. He's knows better than to even mutter about classified information.

Why is this case taking soooo long to work out, given we know where all the parties stand, including the DOJ. Are we waiting on that June 1 date?

This thread has been fascinating to follow. i wish I would have read more of it earlier on, but I have been following every post the last 5-6 days.

A few thoughts as a non legal person:

-Sullivan is either imploding before our eyes or trying to get himself out of the corner he backed himself into. Either way, I assume his career on the federal judiciary is over. i guess he can still speak at Howard University and get a job for Soros or MSNBC.

- The coincidence of timeine. I may not be getting my dates straight since it was spread out over a couple of pages of this thread. Sunday 7/31/16 Strzok issues a report. Very close in time to HRC saying on the campaign trail that DJT campaign is colluding with Russia. And around that time BHO issues an EO relaxing some restrictions on surveillance that were later used against Trump campaign/transition team/administration. Did I get all of those right? Or did I misunderstand?

- We have a clearer picture of patriots and weasels. Patriots: Grennel, Flynn, Powell. Weasels - FBI love birds, Comey, etc. I think the jury is still out on Graham and Rosenstein. I think they both end up proving to be weasels.

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Why is this case taking soooo long to work out, given we know where all the parties stand, including the DOJ. Are we waiting on that June 1 date?

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That's the schedule the DC Circuit court decreed Sullivan had to respond. DOJ has the standing invite to also weigh in by that date.

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Might be an interesting friday. ty doing work.

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This is my shocked face.

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Like I've said repeatedly, Brennan is the one I most want to see thrown in jail for his role in this escapade.

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Right there with you...

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akm91 said:

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Like I've said repeatedly, Brennan is the one I most want to see thrown in jail for his role in this escapade.

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Right there with you...

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Me three

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Like I've said repeatedly, Brennan is the one I most want to see get his neck stretched for his role in this escapade.

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FIFY.

I agree, but what jury in DC would actually convict him?

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Keep in mind, Flynn is under a gag order until this case is over. I suspect the moment it ends, he's going to have a hell of a lot to say, both to the American public, and to Congress (I can see Graham calling him to testify).

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Not sure Flynn is under a gag order since Sidney is talking all over the place. But out of an abundance of caution, Flynn should be keeping his mouth shut anyway. Sullivan is openly hostile to him. Don't run the risk of further poking that bear unless he's loaded for bear.

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Oh I agree.

I just think the moment this is over, Flynn sets Obama's minions on fire.

I also think without a doubt he's shared everything he new about with Team Trump, Barr, etc. It's just they can't go public with it until this case is over without having Sullivan going even crazier.

Didn't know ty was student body prez and standford law grad. I know he's a little older than Brooke Leslie/Rollins but I wonder if she's feeding him some info.

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Keep in mind, Flynn is under a gag order until this case is over. I suspect the moment it ends, he's going to have a hell of a lot to say, both to the American public, and to Congress (I can see Graham calling him to testify).

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Not sure Flynn is under a gag order since Sidney is talking all over the place. But out of an abundance of caution, Flynn should be keeping his mouth shut anyway. Sullivan is openly hostile to him. Don't run the risk of further poking that bear unless he's loaded for bear.

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Oh I agree.

I just think the moment this is over, Flynn sets Obama's minions on fire.

I also think without a doubt he's shared everything he new about with Team Trump, Barr, etc. It's just they can't go public with it until this case is over without having Sullivan going even crazier.

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I lost track on Sidney's request for security clearance. I assume she has had it for awhile now. Flynn couldn't share anything highly classified with her until she had clearance.

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This thread has been fascinating to follow. i wish I would have read more of it earlier on, but I have been following every post the last 5-6 days.

A few thoughts as a non legal person:

-Sullivan is either imploding before our eyes or trying to get himself out of the corner he backed himself into. Either way, I assume his career on the federal judiciary is over. i guess he can still speak at Howard University and get a job for Soros or MSNBC.

- The coincidence of timeine. I may not be getting my dates straight since it was spread out over a couple of pages of this thread. Sunday 7/31/16 Strzok issues a report. Very close in time to HRC saying on the campaign trail that DJT campaign is colluding with Russia. And around that time BHO issues an EO relaxing some restrictions on surveillance that were later used against Trump campaign/transition team/administration. Did I get all of those right? Or did I misunderstand?

- We have a clearer picture of patriots and weasels. Patriots: Grennel, Flynn, Powell. Weasels - FBI love birds, Comey, etc. I think the jury is still out on Graham and Rosenstein. I think they both end up proving to be weasels.

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I can see it now...

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Can someone explain this a little better?

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Didn't know ty was student body prez and standford law grad. I know he's a little older than Brooke Leslie/Rollins but I wonder if she's feeding him some info.

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I forgot about Ms. Rollins. Her in-laws are old family friends, and I haven't spoken to her or her husband since she moved up to DC.

She's a hell of an individual in all aspects. Sorry for the derail, but I haven't thought about her in a little while. Brooke would be a hell of an advisor for nearly any aspect at the WH.

Or Barr doesn't trust the DC Attorneys.

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Thats easy. None in DC can be trusted.

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This. I believe it was Hawg who pointed out a page or two back that it indicates Barr doesn't trust anyone at HQ or in the DC District. He's going outside, to prosecutors he knows and trusts.

I think we're in for a hell of a ride from now until November, starting now.

When did the Seth Rich Wikileaks theory first appear .... before or after his death?

Ness went outside Chicago to forge his team.

Barr is going outside DC in much the same manner.

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When did the Seth Rich Wikileaks theory first appear .... before or after his death?

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No one had heard of him until after his death and then Assange offered a reward for information regarding it.

When you've lost Biden...

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FORMER VICE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN'S CAMPAIGN has canceled plans for a fundraiser headlined by Andrew Weissmann, a former top prosecutor with Robert Mueller's special counsel team who has been a lightning rod among supporters of President Trump. The June 2 event had been billed as a "fireside chat" with Weissmann, who departed Mueller's team last year and is working on a book about his role in the probe, and Anne Milgram, a former New Jersey attorney general. The fundraiser was pulled shortly after it was posted late last week, but not before it garnered widespread media attention, people familiar with the decision told the Journal's Ken Thomas.

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VIA Hot Air

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Thats easy. None in DC can be trusted.

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This. I believe it was Hawg who pointed out a page or two back that it indicates Barr doesn't trust anyone at HQ or in the DC District. He's going outside, to prosecutors he knows and trusts.

I think we're in for a hell of a ride from now until November, starting now.

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Tailgate, I think you missed the first few hills in the roller coaster...you know, the ones where everybody holds their arms up over their heads...

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When you've lost Biden...

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FORMER VICE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN'S CAMPAIGN has canceled plans for a fundraiser headlined by Andrew Weissmann, a former top prosecutor with Robert Mueller's special counsel team who has been a lightning rod among supporters of President Trump. The June 2 event had been billed as a "fireside chat" with Weissmann, who departed Mueller's team last year and is working on a book about his role in the probe, and Anne Milgram, a former New Jersey attorney general. The fundraiser was pulled shortly after it was posted late last week, but not before it garnered widespread media attention, people familiar with the decision told the Journal's Ken Thomas.

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VIA Hot Air

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YES!