That's an amazing document.

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In addition, several names are listed in a "cc" or copy line; all are redacted, save Strzok's, who, for some reason, felt it necessary to copy himself on a document he sent from himself to himself.

Names on an FBI document are always listed in cascading fashion, with the most senior at the top and on down to the least senior. On this EC, Strzok is listed last, so the redacted names should be more senior to him. Those names could well include then-FBI Director James Comey, then-Deputy Director Andrew McCabe and then-Counterintelligence Assistant Director Bill Priestap. The document also establishes these redacted names as "case participants."

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What this FBI document clearly establishes is that Crossfire Hurricane was an illicit, made-up investigation lacking a shred of justifying predication, sprung from the mind of someone who despised Donald Trump, and then blessed by inexperienced leadership at the highest levels who harbored their own now well-established biases.

To paraphrase a fired FBI director: No reasonable FBI counterintelligence squad supervisor in the field would have approved and opened that Strzok EC. They know the rules too well.

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Assuming this is not a closed door hearing? If so, I don't expect anything other than a lot of feigned indignation.

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I don't know what game will be played here. Trump, Barr, and Durham know exactly what rosenstein has done and I believe they have hard evidence that could ruin his life. But will that come out here? He may be a witness for any future prosecution. I also don't trust Graham as he has been nothing but hot air. Of all the witnesses to be called, rosenstein may be the most interesting and I think will give us some insight as to whether or not the DOJ actually will do anything.

You're welcome. I love old lawyer war stories. I'v been know to pound on a conference table from time to time.

Wasn't Mary McCord in charge of the DOJ-NSD?

I can see her being on board with doing it, but turning it down because she might be caught.

Great thread retweeted by sidney.

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Wasn't Mary McCord in charge of the DOJ-NSD?

I can see her being on board with doing it, but turning it down because she might be caught.

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Yes. The organizational chart when it comes to FISA warrants get a little blurred between FBI and DOJ. But since it was Preistap who expressed his queasiness over the Flynn interview likely had some unease in a FISA setting as well.

When they finally did get a FISA on Page, they had to circumvent the rules and the Woods Procedures to work around some people.

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Well, what game will Lindsey Graham choose to play, hardball or softball?

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Well, there is always wiffleball

Fantastic!

The weasel (Rosenstein) speaks.

Totally expected from a weasel like Rod.

I'm confused. What did you expect the weasel to say? Perhaps he is the bird that will sing first.

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I'm confused. What did you expect the weasel to say? Perhaps he is the bird that will sing first.

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Sounds a little too much like Wray's statement a few months back. "Yep, crap happened but we're fixing it!"

I didn't think the presence of "willful misconduct" was insignificant.

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I didn't think the presence of "willful misconduct" was insignificant.

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We'll see if he really meant that or not, next week.

As you can tell I don't think highly of the weasel.

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This guy is part of the cabal. His name may as well be Rod "Strzok" Rosenstein.

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But he also may be a member of the cabal who has immunity. We'll see on June 3rd.

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Great thread retweeted by sidney.

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I have been saying this for weeks. What exactly was Obama's intention in issuing that EO regarding Russia? Was it just a trap?

Rice never gave Flynn nor McFarland a heads up about anything Russia related. It was by design to catch them all flatfooted.

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I have a bit of a theory on this. I think they may well have drank their own Kool Aid. They believed their collusion narrative when in reality it was BS. So they needed to catch Trump red handed and sprung their trap. Once it caught nothing, the plan changed and they went for process crimes while they buried the evidence under a mountain of federal documents.

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I have a bit of a theory on this. I think they may well have drank their own Kool Aid. They believed their collusion narrative when in reality it was BS. So they needed to catch Trump red handed and sprung their trap. Once it caught nothing, the plan changed and they went for process crimes while they buried the evidence under a mountain of federal documents.

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No they never believed the collusion narrative precisely because they knew it was oppo research paid for by Hillary. The efforts (such as they were) to investigate either the DNC server (fake hack) nor corroborate any of the Steele Dossier other than by circular sourcing, prove that.

I'm hoping this testimony, since so many on the left consider him part of the "resistance", is by-design to let the public know the S is about to hit the fan. This could be baby steps to prepare them for something big.

It will be that or a bag of weak questions w/no follow-up to get answers.

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He was a choir boy after that until he "retired".

Still, no telling how his testimony will play out. May be a lot of "I can't answer that" which will piss off all of us but would likely be orders from Barr/Durham.

Would really like to have been on that flight. I'm sure it was miserable for that POS.

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Choir boy? Hardly. He kept expanding Mueller's jurisdiction and sanctioned all of the phony indictments they pursued, at great taxpayer cost, I might add. Rosenstein knew the GRU indictment was a complete waste of time and money because it would never see the inside of a courtroom. He also knew that Internet Research case was FOS for the same reason but Mueller made the mistake of personally indicting a Putin bestie along with his company, Concord Management.

When Concord hired lawyers an showed up to contest the charges, Team Mueller literally crapped their pants in court time after time before the DOJ finally had to just dismiss the case after Team Mueller dumped it in their laps.

Then there is the third scope memo which is widely believed to be focused on Flynn and his son, solely to blackmail Flynn.

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This guy is part of the cabal. His name may as well be Rod "Strzok" Rosenstein.

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But he also may be a member of the cabal who has immunity. We'll see on June 3rd.

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I've wondered about that too.

Barr seemed to kind of take him under his wing, so to speak. Barr kept him in the department and even persuaded him to stay past the initial deadline Rosenstein had indicated he would be leaving. I've wondered if there was a come to Jesus moment between them.

The other thing was when Comey attacked Rosenstein as being a weak person around the time Rosenstein left. IMO, Comey knew Rosenstein had turned.

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The weasel (Rosenstein) speaks.

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Can Kayleigh question him? I'd settle for her preparing the Republicans.

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He was a choir boy after that until he "retired".

Still, no telling how his testimony will play out. May be a lot of "I can't answer that" which will piss off all of us but would likely be orders from Barr/Durham.

Would really like to have been on that flight. I'm sure it was miserable for that POS.

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Choir boy? Hardly. He kept expanding Mueller's jurisdiction and sanctioned all of the phony indictments they pursued, at great taxpayer cost, I might add. Rosenstein knew the GRU indictment was a complete waste of time and money because it would never see the inside of a courtroom. He also knew that Internet Research case was FOS for the same reason but Mueller made the mistake of personally indicting a Putin bestie along with his company, Concord Management.

When Concord hired lawyers an showed up to contest the charges, Team Mueller literally crapped their pants in court time after time before the DOJ finally had to just dismiss the case after Team Mueller dumped it in their laps.

Then there is the third scope memo which is widely believed to be focused on Flynn and his son, solely to blackmail Flynn.

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All of that occurred before the trip to Mir-A-Lago and occurred before the news broke of his offering to wear a wire. After that he was a different guy to the Admin. At least that's how I remember it and I believe he toed the line publicly with what Barr was doing. I won't swear to being correct on the timeline.

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The weasel (Rosenstein) speaks.

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Make no mistake, that little weasel and many many more are trying to run out the clock and Trump loses re-election. They know if he's re-elected, then he will force their destruction ad they'll have no cover.

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https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/499586-new-fbi-document-confirms-the-trump-campaign-was-investigated-without

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.....Those of us who have speculated there was insufficient cause for beginning the investigation could not have imagined the actual opening document was this feeble. It is as if it were written by someone who had no experience as an FBI agent......

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First, the document is oddly constructed. In a normal, legitimate FBI Electronic Communication, or EC, there would be a "To" and a "From" line. The Crossfire Hurricane EC has only a "From" line; it is from a part of the FBI's Counterintelligence Division whose contact is listed as Peter Strzok. The EC was drafted also by Peter Strzok. And, finally, it was approved by Peter Strzok. Essentially, it is a document created by Peter Strzok, approved by Peter Strzok, and sent from Peter Strzok to Peter Strzok.

On that basis alone, the document is an absurdity, violative of all FBI protocols and, therefore, invalid on its face. An agent cannot approve his or her own case; that would make a mockery of the oversight designed to protect Americans. Yet, for this document, Peter Strzok was pitcher, catcher, batter and umpire......

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Second, the Crossfire Hurricane case was opened as a Foreign Agent Registration Act (FARA) investigation. A FARA investigation involves a criminal violation of law -- in this case, a negligent or intentional failure to register with the U.S. government after being engaged by a foreign country to perform services on its behalf -- that is punishable by fines and imprisonment. It is rarely investigated......

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Ultimately, there was no attempt by Strzok to articulate any factors that address the elements of FARA. He couldn't, because there are none. Instead, there was a weak attempt to allege some kind of cooperation with Russians by unknown individuals affiliated with the Trump campaign, again, with no supporting facts listed......

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This is an interesting read. I can now understand why Barr & associates say that the EC (the predicate) for opening Crossfire Hurricane was not justified -- it was opened as a FARA investigation. Horowitz must not fully understand how to construct/authorize an EC; neither did Strzok.

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First, the document is oddly constructed. In a normal, legitimate FBI Electronic Communication, or EC, there would be a "To" and a "From" line.

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A minor correction that doesn't affect the validity of the article's points, but this is not accurate. There is no "To:" line. The document is simply serialized within the case file upon final approval. There can be a distribution list added, to ensure someone in particular sees the file upon approval, but it's not necessary and it is not displayed as a "To:" line.

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Essentially, it is a document created by Peter Strzok, approved by Peter Strzok, and sent from Peter Strzok to Peter Strzok.

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Just insane. But there was a reason why he had to do it that way, we just don't know it yet.

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Oh, and Strzok composed the EC on July 31, 2016, a Sunday, when likely no one else was around in the office. Sounds rather clandestine, doesn't it? Everyone comes to work on Monday, & viola, we have an new investigation on the books.

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Composing a EC on a Sunday just seemed weird, so I wondered what else happened that day.

July 31st 2016 - Hillary accuses Russia of hacking the DNC server and Trump of supporting Putin

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-clinton-idUSKCN10B0IX

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Essentially, it is a document created by Peter Strzok, approved by Peter Strzok, and sent from Peter Strzok to Peter Strzok.

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Just insane. But there was a reason why he had to do it that way, we just don't know it yet.

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Oh, and Strzok composed the EC on July 31, 2016, a Sunday, when likely no one else was around in the office. Sounds rather clandestine, doesn't it? Everyone comes to work on Monday, & viola, we have an new investigation on the books.

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Agree. My spidey senses tell me the hurried and secretive opening of Crossfire Hurricane was likely FISA related.

Way back when this thread was in its infancy, there were some reports that there were more FISA apps in the June-July 2016 period that were denied. But those stories implied that the denial came from the FISA courts.

What if the denial was from the Nat Sec Division of DOJ? In particular, Preistap? Strzok's boss might not have been all aboard after his trip to London in May 2016? Not for a FISA warrant application anyway.

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What else happened on July 31st 2016?

Hillary accused Trump of working with the Russians to hack the DNC servers (aka the Russia Hoax was born)

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-clinton-idUSKCN10B0IX

Shouldn't they be locked in their homes and social distancing??? I thought California was shut down a few more months.