Mueller dismisses top FBI agent in Russia probe for anti-Trump texts

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who?mikejones said:

Tslking points starting to trickle:

This is standard operating procedure to any criminal investigation. Get them to lie or admit.
Pure desperation from the Democrat Party media.

Is it standard operating procedure to falsify documents and withhold exculpatory evidence from the defense team?

Apparently that is way it worked for Team Mueller.

No surprise a group of DoJ lawyers known to obliterate the lines of ethical behavior would act exactly the same way towards Flynn as they behaved towards Arthur Andersen during the ENRON investigation.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jul/25/robert-mueller-team-shows-history-of-crossing-ethi/


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Before being appointed head of the Fraud Section at the Department of Justice during the Obama years, Mr. Weissmann had been part of a task force that targeted organized crime figures in New York. He was also head prosecutor in the Enron investigation, as well as the man who destroyed Arthur Andersen LLP, putting the firm's 85,000 employees out of work. It turns out that many of those indicted, convicted or forced to plead guilty as a result of Mr. Weissmann's no-holds-barred approach to his job had their sentences reversed or their cases tossed out by appeals courts that didn't share his disdain for due process.

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In the Enron case earlier, he and his fellow prosecutors withheld or, as the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals put it, "suppressed" exculpatory evidence from defense lawyers. What's more, they put on witnesses to testify to a version of their narrative that the withheld evidence didn't support, and verbally threatened to indict many witnesses who might have disagreed with them on the stand.


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ruddyduck said:

anyone familiar with this guy?




He's quoting Joe diGenova, so I'd wait for another source before getting too excited. Joe's said a lot during this that hasn't panned out.
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And Gateway Pundit is not known for being the most reliable news outlet.
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Rapier108 said:

And Gateway Pundit is not known for being the most reliable news outlet.


Who the **** is these days?
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Can I go to sleep Looch?
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redsquirrelAG said:

Rapier108 said:

And Gateway Pundit is not known for being the most reliable news outlet.


Who the **** is these days?
OAN maybe.
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Secolobo said:




Pretty much everyone who learns about 302's, responds in disbelief.

It's 2020. No way the nation's police operates that way.
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drcrinum said:



Yup!

That is an excellent point. Why is Wrey still running the FBI?
No, I don't care what CNN or MSNBC said this time
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TexAgs91 said:

drcrinum said:



Yup!

That is an excellent point. Why is Wrey still running the FBI?


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This is standard operating procedure for Mueller and the attorneys/investigators working for him in the past.

Powell is right to point out that it fails to meet acceptable standards on multiple fronts.

We had a group of leftists here who were out to get Trump. As they received the glory, adulation, and compensation from their fellow travelers after ENRON, the fact they failed to do their job from a legal standpoint in the long-term did not matter. The political payoff was their win.

Same goes here with this entire Russia hoax. The goal was to force Trump out. If some folks got railroaded in the process, then so be it. The political objective meant more than the actual legal process their efforts should have been focused upon.

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It's interesting how folks have so many different opinions on Barr.

For a comparison of intelligent commentary over the past 24 hours, here is Andrew McCarthy (who is usually very good at analyzing DoJ) saying the St Louis outside counsel indicates Barr is troubled by the Flynn disclosures;

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Second, the Flynn case is so patently disturbing that, weeks back, Attorney General Bill Barr assigned a very well-regarded prosecutor, St. Louis's U.S. attorney Jeff Jensen, to review it. The new disclosures are a result of Jensen's investigation. The Justice Department's disclosure to Ms. Powell indicates that more revelations are forthcoming.

And here is sundance explaining he had to appoint someone to this thanks to the FISC order;

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A few notes of caution. Don't fall into the outrage trap; the DOJ will certainly justify the FBI notes as a valid discussion on investigative strategy, nothing more.

Second, Bill Barr did not appoint Missouri Attorney Jensen in an effort to support General Flynn. AG Barr was ordered by the FISA court to review every case and all evidence that touched upon the fraudulent Carter Page FISA application. Be careful about projecting a motive onto Bill Barr around these revelations. Without that FISC ordered sequestration review order; the DOJ/FBI may not have moved on this.

Lastly, despite the known corruption within the existing FBI leadership {outlined here}, and we can now add the FBI hiding these documents for 3 years, AG Bill Barr continues to pour effusive praise upon the FBI. That reality doesn't reconcile with a good intent.
I remain convinced that Barr is working first to protect the DoJ, and a distant second to do 'the right' things. In a sane world the DoJ would have moved to dismiss charges and apologized to the court already for the horrible conduct by Van Grack, the Mueller team, and all of the FBI liars in this case, and Wray would be in a prison cell next to Rosenstein by now.
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Funny you mention this because my Dad has also been following this and based on everything he's seen, he has no trust in Barr.
Can I go to sleep Looch?
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Stlkofta said:

Senor Cardgage said:

To me, a failure is when something unintentional happens. Like when weapons from the US end up in the hands of drug cartels, for example.

Oh, wait...

But I get your point and I agree.
They have left an evidence trail wider than Texas and deeper than the Grand Canyon.

I have complete confidence in Durham. After the events of the last few days, I'm pretty sure my frustration with Barr was misplaced. He was thinking tactically on a Nimitz-level while I was wanting to go Bull Halsey on these idiots.

Have a feeling we're at that part of a Chuck Norris movie where bad things get done to bad people.

I can't wait.
I agree with Nimitz analogy for Barr as it ain't easy delicately coordinating a bunch of 350' - 900' juggernauts in close flotilla formation around the Pacific...

But I think a better analogy for Durham is Gen Patton...as he said..."crap through a goose". Remember 2 day March to Bastogne...(he promised 3...)

Or if you want to go full Civil War...Sherman...as in the guy who led the Yankee army West to East across the South on a "scorched earth" march...

TSHBTHTF...


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nortex97 said:

It's interesting how folks have so many different opinions on Barr.

For a comparison of intelligent commentary over the past 24 hours, here is Andrew McCarthy (who is usually very good at analyzing DoJ) saying the St Louis outside counsel indicates Barr is troubled by the Flynn disclosures;

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Second, the Flynn case is so patently disturbing that, weeks back, Attorney General Bill Barr assigned a very well-regarded prosecutor, St. Louis's U.S. attorney Jeff Jensen, to review it. The new disclosures are a result of Jensen's investigation. The Justice Department's disclosure to Ms. Powell indicates that more revelations are forthcoming.

And here is sundance explaining he had to appoint someone to this thanks to the FISC order;

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A few notes of caution. Don't fall into the outrage trap; the DOJ will certainly justify the FBI notes as a valid discussion on investigative strategy, nothing more.

Second, Bill Barr did not appoint Missouri Attorney Jensen in an effort to support General Flynn. AG Barr was ordered by the FISA court to review every case and all evidence that touched upon the fraudulent Carter Page FISA application. Be careful about projecting a motive onto Bill Barr around these revelations. Without that FISC ordered sequestration review order; the DOJ/FBI may not have moved on this.

Lastly, despite the known corruption within the existing FBI leadership {outlined here}, and we can now add the FBI hiding these documents for 3 years, AG Bill Barr continues to pour effusive praise upon the FBI. That reality doesn't reconcile with a good intent.
I remain convinced that Barr is working first to protect the DoJ, and a distant second to do 'the right' things. In a sane world the DoJ would have moved to dismiss charges and apologized to the court already for the horrible conduct by Van Grack, the Mueller team, and all of the FBI liars in this case, and Wray would be in a prison cell next to Rosenstein by now.
In a sane world, Major General Flynn would never have been targeted by a weaponized legal bureaucracy.

I think what Barr wants is a dismissal by the judge himself based on what he now has at his disposal.

If the DoJ motions to dismiss (and I speak as someone with no legal experience whatsoever, so please take this with a grain--or a ton--of salt) and apologizes to the court, then would that not be presented to the public as Trump's interference with the legal process and summarily ignored? Would we not see Barr called up to the House of Representatives for extensive hearings on the matter? Would the focus then be placed on him and not on the transgressions of the Obama Administration and Team Mueller?

If Judge Sullivan is the one who dismisses the case based on the evidence now at his disposal, then Flynn's case gets the national attention it merits. This would prepare the way for the Durham findings.

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President Trump on a tweet storm this morning.

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will25u said:

President Trump on a tweet storm this morning.


I think I know who Trump wants to see busting rocks in Federal Pound Me In the Ass Prison.

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he really had some doosies last night.
Something is getting ready to go down with Brian Williams...
Can I go to sleep Looch?
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Yeah I think he got grumpy over the weekend about the press leaping to a frenzy, and now he's ticked at some campaign folks as well. Whatever.

Here is more analysis (Powerlineblog) also citing Sean Davis' piece;

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Sean Davis's Federalist column gets to the heart of the matter. The tenor of the documents supports Powell's assertion that Flynn was "set up." The documents reek of bad faith. They strongly suggest that Flynn was not the object of a bona fide criminal investigation or dealt with honestly or legally. Herridge adds: "The FBI declined comment on the notes."
The FBI has a lot of commenting to do. Whenever it gets around to it, the comments should probably include a forthright confession of misconduct and an apology to Flynn.
Davis explains:
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The FBI notes also show that the author of the document had misgivings about the FBI's conduct in interviewing Flynn.
"I agreed yesterday that we shouldn't show Flynn [REDACTED] if he didn't admit," the FBI author wrote. "I thought [about] it last night, [and] I believe we should rethink this."
"We regularly show subjects evidence, with the goal of getting them to admit wrongdoing," the notes said. "I don't see how getting someone to admit their wrongdoing is going easy on him."
The redaction portion of the notes is believed to reference transcripts of phone calls between Flynn and other foreign officials. Those transcripts have never been publicly released, making it impossible to independently assess whether Flynn lied about those conversations.
The handwritten FBI notes end with a prophetic line, given the voluminous evidence of misconduct by FBI and DOJ officials in their investigation of Trump and their attempt to oust him from office.
"If we're seen as playing games, [the White House] will be furious," the author wrote. "Protect our institution by not playing games."

American Thinker's Andrea Widburg covers the story here Widburg among others identifies Priestap as the author of the notes.
Nortex opinion, I don't think Barr wants to step in to tell the DC prosecutors what to do, and the inertia once a plea was made is for the DoJ folks not to request dismissal, but I think the 'newish' prosecutors will wind up having to do that, despite having a corrupt/clown clinton judge on the bench (who famously still mishandled the clinton email case) favoring anything they say. I am pretty sure Tim Shea really wishes he hadn't been handed this abortion of a case.

Oh well, enough gnashing of teeth over this one today for me.
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It is clear that the Mueller investigation was the "insurance policy". The coverup operation that was supposed to justify concealing all this corruption and unethical behavior at DOJ, but they couldn't keep it up forever.
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Andrew McCarthy Explosive Revelations in the Flynn Case
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Finally, in 'Ball of Collusion', I included a section about the serial outrages in the baseless investigation of General Flynn, a decorated combat commander. We are going to run it at National Review. I concluded by opining that what happened to Flynn was deeply wrong but not illegal. The new disclosures may call for revisiting the latter conclusion.
Anxious to see if McCarthy follows up on this .... what was the crime?
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Stlkofta said:

will25u said:

President Trump on a tweet storm this morning.


I think I know who Trump wants to see busting rocks in Federal Pound Me In the Ass Prison.




I think twitter is hiding his tweets. When you go to Trump's page his tweets do not show up.
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MouthBQ98 said:

It is clear that the Mueller investigation was the "insurance policy". The coverup operation that was supposed to justify concealing all this corruption and unethical behavior at DOJ, but they couldn't keep it up forever.


Not to mention the intention to nail trump with a process crime of his own and thereby complete the coup ; covering up all prior criminal activity in the fbi doj and dnc all in one fell swoop
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benchmark said:

Andrew McCarthy Explosive Revelations in the Flynn Case
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Finally, in 'Ball of Collusion', I included a section about the serial outrages in the baseless investigation of General Flynn, a decorated combat commander. We are going to run it at National Review. I concluded by opining that what happened to Flynn was deeply wrong but not illegal. The new disclosures may call for revisiting the latter conclusion.
Anxious to see if McCarthy follows up on this .... what was the crime?

Not arguing with you, but counter to Sundance above and McCarthy here...if they did nothing wrong, why did they conceal this evidence for years? And i highly doubt this is the only evidence they buried.
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nortex97 said:

It's interesting how folks have so many different opinions on Barr.

For a comparison of intelligent commentary over the past 24 hours, here is Andrew McCarthy (who is usually very good at analyzing DoJ) saying the St Louis outside counsel indicates Barr is troubled by the Flynn disclosures;

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Second, the Flynn case is so patently disturbing that, weeks back, Attorney General Bill Barr assigned a very well-regarded prosecutor, St. Louis's U.S. attorney Jeff Jensen, to review it. The new disclosures are a result of Jensen's investigation. The Justice Department's disclosure to Ms. Powell indicates that more revelations are forthcoming.

And here is sundance explaining he had to appoint someone to this thanks to the FISC order;

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A few notes of caution. Don't fall into the outrage trap; the DOJ will certainly justify the FBI notes as a valid discussion on investigative strategy, nothing more.

Second, Bill Barr did not appoint Missouri Attorney Jensen in an effort to support General Flynn. AG Barr was ordered by the FISA court to review every case and all evidence that touched upon the fraudulent Carter Page FISA application. Be careful about projecting a motive onto Bill Barr around these revelations. Without that FISC ordered sequestration review order; the DOJ/FBI may not have moved on this.

Lastly, despite the known corruption within the existing FBI leadership {outlined here}, and we can now add the FBI hiding these documents for 3 years, AG Bill Barr continues to pour effusive praise upon the FBI. That reality doesn't reconcile with a good intent.
I remain convinced that Barr is working first to protect the DoJ, and a distant second to do 'the right' things. In a sane world the DoJ would have moved to dismiss charges and apologized to the court already for the horrible conduct by Van Grack, the Mueller team, and all of the FBI liars in this case, and Wray would be in a prison cell next to Rosenstein by now.

I don't think that's the case (I understand your view, just disagree).

Think about the Congressional Schiff show that happened and the ringer they drug Barr through over Barr nixing the Mueller investigation and the subsequent declass.

Barr doesn't want a repeat (well, I think he knows he's going to be dealing with it again when Durham comes out with indictments, but Barr knows he's gotta keep his powder dry for that).

So with the Flynn situation, yeah, Barr could come out and say "this whole thing was BS", apologize, ask judge to dismiss, the more prudent and political move is to hand over enough evidence for the judge to make that call on his own. Hell, look at what happened last week. DOJ declasses one doc and provides to Sydney and the court, and all of a sudden Flynn's former counsel says "oh, gee, yeah, we just happened to find these 6800 other documents we failed to previously produce."

Everyone with a pulse involved in that case can see that for what it is. And I'm guessing there's enough in those 6800 documents for Powell to get a swift dismissal and exoneration without Barr ever having to put a finger on the scales of justice.
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dreyOO said:

Not arguing with you, but counter to Sundance above and McCarthy here...if they did nothing wrong, why did they conceal this evidence for years? And i highly doubt this is the only evidence they buried.
Sadly, outrageous misconduct isn't necessarily illegal.
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VegasAg86 said:

will25u said:

Techno with a thread about the info given to Flynn.


How can their "goal" be anything other than "to find out the facts"? I know, that's naive, but this is a pretty disgusting abuse of power.
They had a taped conversation of the phone call. They had the facts before they ever went to visit Flynn
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Tibbers said:

Stlkofta said:

will25u said:

President Trump on a tweet storm this morning.


I think I know who Trump wants to see busting rocks in Federal Pound Me In the Ass Prison.




I think twitter is hiding his tweets. When you go to Trump's page his tweets do not show up.


?

Seeing all of them. He has been retweeting a bunch today, so scroll down
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Do we know the actual verbiage of Flynn's supposed lie? Is there a transcript of his interview with the FBI? My understanding was that the agents that interviewed him thought - at the time - that while Flynn might have answered inaccurately, they thought he was trying to be truthful.
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AG 2000' said:

nortex97 said:

It's interesting how folks have so many different opinions on Barr.

For a comparison of intelligent commentary over the past 24 hours, here is Andrew McCarthy (who is usually very good at analyzing DoJ) saying the St Louis outside counsel indicates Barr is troubled by the Flynn disclosures;

Quote:

Second, the Flynn case is so patently disturbing that, weeks back, Attorney General Bill Barr assigned a very well-regarded prosecutor, St. Louis's U.S. attorney Jeff Jensen, to review it. The new disclosures are a result of Jensen's investigation. The Justice Department's disclosure to Ms. Powell indicates that more revelations are forthcoming.

And here is sundance explaining he had to appoint someone to this thanks to the FISC order;

Quote:

A few notes of caution. Don't fall into the outrage trap; the DOJ will certainly justify the FBI notes as a valid discussion on investigative strategy, nothing more.

Second, Bill Barr did not appoint Missouri Attorney Jensen in an effort to support General Flynn. AG Barr was ordered by the FISA court to review every case and all evidence that touched upon the fraudulent Carter Page FISA application. Be careful about projecting a motive onto Bill Barr around these revelations. Without that FISC ordered sequestration review order; the DOJ/FBI may not have moved on this.

Lastly, despite the known corruption within the existing FBI leadership {outlined here}, and we can now add the FBI hiding these documents for 3 years, AG Bill Barr continues to pour effusive praise upon the FBI. That reality doesn't reconcile with a good intent.
I remain convinced that Barr is working first to protect the DoJ, and a distant second to do 'the right' things. In a sane world the DoJ would have moved to dismiss charges and apologized to the court already for the horrible conduct by Van Grack, the Mueller team, and all of the FBI liars in this case, and Wray would be in a prison cell next to Rosenstein by now.

I don't think that's the case (I understand your view, just disagree).

Think about the Congressional Schiff show that happened and the ringer they drug Barr through over Barr nixing the Mueller investigation and the subsequent declass.

Barr doesn't want a repeat (well, I think he knows he's going to be dealing with it again when Durham comes out with indictments, but Barr knows he's gotta keep his powder dry for that).

So with the Flynn situation, yeah, Barr could come out and say "this whole thing was BS", apologize, ask judge to dismiss, the more prudent and political move is to hand over enough evidence for the judge to make that call on his own. Hell, look at what happened last week. DOJ declasses one doc and provides to Sydney and the court, and all of a sudden Flynn's former counsel says "oh, gee, yeah, we just happened to find these 6800 other documents we failed to previously produce."

Everyone with a pulse involved in that case can see that for what it is. And I'm guessing there's enough in those 6800 documents for Powell to get a swift dismissal and exoneration without Barr ever having to put a finger on the scales of justice.
I can see how they could easily lose track of these 6,800 documents, because of the size of their vault.

Didn't you know that it was used as the backdrop for the end scene in "Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark"?

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WatchOle said:

Do we know what the actual verbiage of Flynn's supposed lie? Is there a transcript of his interview with the FBI? My understanding was that the agents that interviewed him thought - at the time - that while Flynn might have answered inaccurately, they thought he was trying to be truthful.


i believe it was discussing sanctions with the Russian ambassador beforehand.

i haven't followed this as fervently as most on here, but from the sound of it, he didn't break any laws with his conversations, but just the investigation and questioning lead to him to either misspeak or "lie."

it's the problem with a process crime. you didn't break any laws but we're going to make you think you did so you lie to us and we get you for that.

the insane thing is that the FBI can lie to you about something to get you to say an intended answer and you're the one going to jail for a lie, not them.
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Great intervew that sidney retweeted.

Can I go to sleep Looch?
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WatchOle said:

Do we know the actual verbiage of Flynn's supposed lie? Is there a transcript of his interview with the FBI? My understanding was that the agents that interviewed him thought - at the time - that while Flynn might have answered inaccurately, they thought he was trying to be truthful.
I could be wrong, but I remember something about the interviews weren't recorded. It was standard to just have the agents write out what they remembered after the interview.
So other than the agent's recollections, there wouldn't be any evidence or true transcript/recording that would give what he actually said.
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benchmark said:

dreyOO said:

Not arguing with you, but counter to Sundance above and McCarthy here...if they did nothing wrong, why did they conceal this evidence for years? And i highly doubt this is the only evidence they buried.
Sadly, outrageous misconduct isn't necessarily illegal.
But outrageous misconduct can become illegal when it is deliberately done in furtherance of a conspiracy.

Between Comey's, "I sent them," statement and Priestap's notes, it was clearly entrapment. An effort to create a crime where no probable cause existed to believe a crime had been committed as a predicate for investigation.

The Logan Act stuff wasn't going to fly as, to use a famous phrase, "no reasonable prosecutor" would ever bring a case based upon the facts. (During a transition with Flynn a member of the incoming administration.)

At this point there is zero evidence of any good faith on the part of the FBI in the Flynn case but plenty of evidence of an abundance of bad faith on their part. To dismiss this as just unethical conduct, is a travesty and a mockery of our justice system.
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WatchOle said:

Do we know the actual verbiage of Flynn's supposed lie? Is there a transcript of his interview with the FBI? My understanding was that the agents that interviewed him thought - at the time - that while Flynn might have answered inaccurately, they thought he was trying to be truthful.
There is no transcript, nor a recording of the interview with Flynn. FBI doesn't work that way. They send two agents (typically) one to ask the questions and one who takes handwritten notes. Then from those notes a report called a 302 is typed up and filed.

But that's not what happened with Flynn. In fact the government now claims the original 302 doesn't exist. (Insert Church Lady "How conveeeenient"). What we do know from Strzok/Page text messages is that the 302 went through modifications and had to be "approved" by Andy McCabe, a person who wasn't present at the interview.

IOW, the only evidence of what happened during that interview is itself tainted.
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WatchOle said:

Do we know the actual verbiage of Flynn's supposed lie? Is there a transcript of his interview with the FBI? My understanding was that the agents that interviewed him thought - at the time - that while Flynn might have answered inaccurately, they thought he was trying to be truthful.
That would be his 302 .... https://www.scribd.com/document/395907844/FlynnOrder12-17-18#from_embed
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