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Only way to completely dismantle both Soros and the Clinton Foundation is to go RICO on their butts.

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Raw In Caudal Orifice?

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If he was he would charge it as a racketeering case.

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I have no problem with Giulianni saying that, but you know he talks to Barr at least once a week. I'm SURE he's conveyed his own professional ideas as to how he would proceed.

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Only way to completely dismantle both Soros and the Clinton Foundation is to go RICO on their butts.

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RICO on the Clinton Foundation would be one thing, but I honestly can't imagine the tentacles Soros has in the US, and elsewhere around the world. I have a decent idea, but it would likely completely shock me.

I'm sure Soros has been altruistic with his funds at some point in his life, but mostly as a quid pro quo.

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RICO....suave

Seems like there's build up happening on multiple fronts. I wouldn't be surprised if it all came to a head at once.

1. Corruption (Ukraine)
2. Treason (FISA)
3. Child sex abuse/satanic cults (Epstein)

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aggiehawg said:

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Only way to completely dismantle both Soros and the Clinton Foundation is to go RICO on their butts.

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Raw In Caudal Orifice?

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https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1211822630619078657.html

Short thread. I would think this gal is legitimate & knows what she is talking about. She is a former CIA spy. You may have heard about her as she recently has been in the 'Italian' news. I suspect that she may have had her hand in Italian SpyGate dealings. Read the following article describing the details of her recent activities & see if you agree:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/sabrina-de-sousa-cia-spy-italy-milan-hassan-mustafa-osama-nasr-a9173296.html

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PREDICTION #9
There will be indictments. They will be significant, and they will be handed down against individuals who were and perhaps still are serving at the highest levels of the federal bureaucracy. As indictments emerge, some of the individuals involved in this plot will begin to cut deals in exchange for leniency in sentencing.
PREDICTION #10
People are going to go to jail, some of them for a very long time.

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Sweep the leg...you got a problem with that?

If you remember, Poroshenko is Joe Biden's buddy...he's the one who called off the investigation into Burisma because of Joe's influence/pressure.

There's all kinds of things that can come out of this, but blackmail was the very first thing to come to mind.

This damned thing just never ceases to amaze me.

As badly as I want scoop on Spygate, which I won't likely get due to Durham having to follow the law, I now want juicy details on DNCUkraine. Like what I did there?

This is a frcikin' novel revealed over 2 to 3 years.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-arkansas-paternity-case-judge-abruptly-recuses-himself

https://thefederalist.com/2020/01/02/exclusive-the-inspector-general-missed-yet-another-lie-from-the-fbi/

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...Two passages, separated by more than 50 pages, when read together reveal an eighth significant inaccuracy and omission from the first FISA application, and one repeated in the later three renewals: Steele's sources and sub-sources were not ones he used or developed during his time with the British intelligence service MI6, contrary to the impression created in the FISA applications......
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In the Page case, the first read copy submitted to the FISA court "contained a description of the source network that included the fact that Steele relied upon a Primary Sub-source who used a network of sub-sources, and that neither Steele nor the Primary Sub-source had direct access to the information being reported." The read copy "also contained a separate footnote on each sub-source with a brief description of his/her position or access to the information he/she was reporting."

In response to the read copy, the FISA court's "legal advisor asked how it was that Steele had a network of sub-sources." After the Office of Intelligence (OI) attorney "provided additional information to him regarding Steele's past employment history," the legal advisor requested that additional information be included in the final application.

The final version of the October 2016 FISA application included the requested description, which again remains redacted, but surely concerns Steele's prior spy work for the United Kingdom.

But, as highlighted above, the source network Steele relied upon to craft his dossier was not developed or used during his previous life as a British intelligence agent. By stressing Steele's prior work with MI6 in response to the legal advisor's questioning of Steele's network of sources, the DOJ created the false impression that the network of sources that Steele used and relied upon for his dossier were also used and relied upon by the British government.

That the legal advisor not only raised the question about Steele's access to a network of sources, but then insisted that the FISA application be updated to include information concerning Steele's prior government position, shows the FISA court placed great significance on Steele's previous British intelligence work for purposes of assessing the reliability of his source network....

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'The mechanics of deception.'

Professor Cleveland sleuthing the IG Report. Horowitz & his Team provided all the details but failed to note the significance of this deception = too many, independent moving parts on the IG Team & not enough synthesizers. (You can peruse the entire article to read the selected passages from the IG Report. Professor Cleveland says she has discovered a number of other similar events overlooked by Horowitz's Team & is in the process of writing more articles.)

https://thefederalist.com/2020/01/02/its-statistically-impossible-for-the-fbis-spygate-errors-to-all-be-mistakes/

Good perspective relating cheating & statistics to Horowitz's Report.

I still have a hard time believing that Carter Page was the only target for a Title I FISA warrant.

Granted, they could then use 702 queries to reverse target many members of the Trump campaign with the two hop rule but Page just seems like an unlikely target...unless they were desperate for something, anything they could use for a hook.

That in and of itself shows concerted intent in my mind.

The IG has a relatively narrow scope of determining if laws, rules, and procedures were violated and if the rules and procedures had defects. I don't see that they went outside that scope, or even tested it at the margins much at all. The IG's basic task appears to be to determine if internal processes have problems and suggest corrections for the future, and only on a limited basis determine if individual persons or groups were doing questionable things and dealing with those matters. It's very much an internal monitoring and quality control effort versus an investigation as I understand it.

Classic disrupter...

I never watch NBC so no surprise I didn't see this last summer during Mueller's Congressional testimony.



Mifsud was a Trump campaign advisor? No shame in these networks.

Well, Mifsud was "advising" Papadopoulos.

If that pic is actually Mifsud, he's added a few pounds.

That photo in the insert ain't Mifsud.

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I never watch NBC so no surprise I didn't see this last summer during Mueller's Congressional testimony.



Mifsud was a Trump campaign advisor? No shame in these networks.

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I don't even think that picture is Mifsud

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/01/rep-john-ratcliffe-john-durham-interviewed-us-embassy-official-terrence-dudley-who-reached-out-to-papadopoulos-months-before-crossfire-hurricane-video/

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Rep. John Ratcliffe: Now we come up with evidence that's recently been reported that one of the folks that John Durham talked to was an embassy official who reached out to George Papadopoulos three months before Crossfire Hurricane was ever opened. That's a sign that John Durham is looking at the fact that this may include Obama administration officials beyond law enforcement, perhaps to include our intelligence community.

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Prosecutors working for Special Counsel Robert Mueller interviewed Terrence Dudley at the U.S. embassy in London last year about his contacts during the 2016 presidential campaign with George Papadopoulos months before Crossfire Hurricane....

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Here's the entire interview with Ratcliffe. It's worth watching the entire video (Ratcliffe likely is going to play a significant role in the upcoming Senate impeachment trail if it occurs), although the discussion about FISA abuse begins circa 5:45



Ratcliffe is an impressive dude IMO.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/01/06/inspector-general-report-shows-special-counsel-replicated-fbi-abuses/

Good read. A damning indictment of the Mueller witch hunt from the perspective of the Horowitz Report. Mueller & associates were in on the scheme.

That is a great article even though I am now seething more than ever at the corruption of our government officials!

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Triple fail by NBC news. No connection to Trump campaign, not the right picture aaannnndd Mifsud is still not a Russian agent.

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And Mueller is still a PoS.

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It needs to be noted again that Mueller, even if you assume he is a 'white hat' good 'honest bob' type of guy, knew unequivocally within 90-120 days of his appointment that there was no evidence of 'russian collusion.' His mission was otherwise; to build a file to be used against Trump to get rid of him in 2020.

His team of miscreants wanted all the wiretap/dirt digging info normally/properly concealed under federal grand jury rules for the attorney general's special counsel investigation given to the Dems in the House. Mueller' s crew of lawfare sleaze built on the insurance policy they were collecting on; a counter-intelligence investigation that wound up running for over 4 years against DJT.

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The investigation itself was purposed to dig, legally, into every aspect of Donald Trump, his family, his friends, his finances, his companies, his legal holdings, his lawyers, his accountants, his history all of it and they did so under both Title-1 and Title-3 surveillance authority because the Mueller probe was a counterintelligence operation.

President Trump: travel records, phone records, electronic files, electronic communications, emails, electronic records, family files, medical records, bank records, tax records, THE WORKS all with unlimited surveillance authority as granted by former Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and the useful status of an unlimited counterintelligence operation. Think about the scale of the material Weismann and Mueller gained access to.

Think about the scale of these Trump files we now call the Mueller Dossier.

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I know this is now an old thread and it's probably been stated many, many times earlier in it; but again I want to point out for posterity that the whole Mueller probe was a long-running fraud. I think we now have at least a workable theory as to why it was perpetrated; to FISA Title 1 and 3 surveille Trump (and his team) for as long as possible, 'legally' in the hopes of eliminating his window for a second term.

While I agree 100%, would it be possible for Durham to actually come to that conclusion?

I only ask because I can't imagine anyone copping to that kind of a statement, even if someone flips. Candidly, I wouldn't expect anyone to know about it except the upper echelon Dems (Deep State, if you will). I'm pretty certain Weissman knew about it, MAYBE Mueller, and almost certainly Strzok, Comey, and Brennan.

To be similarly candid, no, he won't reach that answer, IMHO. I don't think it will matter by the time he does anyway though. His investigation, while broad, doesn't touch on the grand scale of the conspiracy, and politics of the DoJ won't let anyone ever impugn Mueller himself (or even Comey) directly.

They will either permit it (6E material from Mueller Dossier) to be publicly disclosed (via the pending DC circuit case argued 3 days ago) given the House claim of a judicial proceeding, or anything damaging will be leaked out via the usual sources/scum starting around April-June. People aren't paying much attention to that, but if the congress (as manifested by the likes of Nadler/Schiff) can just demand anything/everything ever said by/to the president, he's not gonna get much real advice or cooperate in the future.

That Durham/Barr haven't declassified a darn thing they could have by now (and Flynn sentencing pending still, etc.) is a good indication the hoped-for sunlight isn't about to be willingly shed by the DoJ.

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It needs to be noted again that Mueller, even if you assume he is a 'white hat' good 'honest bob' type of guy, knew unequivocally within 90-120 days of his appointment that there was no evidence of 'russian collusion.' His mission was otherwise; to build a file to be used against Trump to get rid of him in 2020.

His team of miscreants wanted all the wiretap/dirt digging info normally/properly concealed under federal grand jury rules for the attorney general's special counsel investigation given to the Dems in the House. Mueller' s crew of lawfare sleaze built on the insurance policy they were collecting on; a counter-intelligence investigation that wound up running for over 4 years against DJT.

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The investigation itself was purposed to dig, legally, into every aspect of Donald Trump, his family, his friends, his finances, his companies, his legal holdings, his lawyers, his accountants, his history all of it and they did so under both Title-1 and Title-3 surveillance authority because the Mueller probe was a counterintelligence operation.

President Trump: travel records, phone records, electronic files, electronic communications, emails, electronic records, family files, medical records, bank records, tax records, THE WORKS all with unlimited surveillance authority as granted by former Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and the useful status of an unlimited counterintelligence operation. Think about the scale of the material Weismann and Mueller gained access to.

Think about the scale of these Trump files we now call the Mueller Dossier.

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I know this is now an old thread and it's probably been stated many, many times earlier in it; but again I want to point out for posterity that the whole Mueller probe was a long-running fraud. I think we now have at least a workable theory as to why it was perpetrated; to FISA Title 1 and 3 surveille Trump (and his team) for as long as possible, 'legally' in the hopes of eliminating his window for a second term.

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The IG report showed us McCarthey's article about the 90 to 120 days is far too generous to Mueller. They knew from Steele's sub-source that most of the Dossier was fake before Rosey even appointed him.

The amazing thing to me is that Trump could withstand that kind of scrutiny and they found absolutely nothing on him. They got a couple of process crimes related to the investigation and Manafort for things completely unrelated to the investigation. I don't think many people, especially most of our politicians, could withstand that kind of scrutiny. My guess is they assumed he'd be as dirty and they were and they'd find something.

Don't know about ya'll, but I'm weary from reading about everything that has come to light about government corruption and YET...NO ONE has been indicted! Will justice EVER prevail? Is EVERYONE bought and paid for? Does JUSTICE even exist anymore?

This poster will not donate another penny to a politician representing ANY party until criminal consequences become a reality. Screw these officials...and the pony they rode in on.

Understood and agree. Just keep the faith on Barr/Durham.

Along those same lines, I need a blindy, Hawg, ruling on my question. Hawg, you've enlightened me on Durham's inability to release his findings. I want to know what circumstances the finished report COULD be released?

I'm convinced Durham will indict 50 to 75 folks, unless 50% of the people involved in this turn, and it will be very good for the movement, so to speak. However, IMO, a report, or summary, in writing would be devastating to the Left and Deep State, since it will have names.

If the Left is going after grand jury material, AND wins, then I see no reason the good guys can't release Durham's entire report.

Durham might not be compiling a report at all. At the end of the day, he's a prosecutor and his job is to ensure that justice is done. In that vein, if, in the scope of his investigation, he's seen crimes worthy of prosecution that have occurred, he will seek indictments.

His "report" will be the result of those indictments being unsealed and the criminally accused being prosecuted. What that whole group has to be careful with is prosecuting crimes and obtaining convictions that will stick and serve as a warning to future potential wrongdoers even potentially in spite of a portion of the judiciary that may be so politically motivated as to otherwise protect an exposed political class from behind the bench.