TexAgs91 said:
I'm not saying anything like that. All I get is one vote though. More and more of the rest of the country seems to be just hunky dory with socialism and giving away our rights, like free speech etc.
I am saying after Trump wins (which I think he will in a landslide), there will not be anymore republicans who are willing to fight. I certainly hope I'm wrong on that, but I just don't see it. There's a few with some fight in them, but most are spineless and will sit there and watch as the dems push the country over the cliff.
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Much like Plato's Allegory of the Cave, our experiences over the last 20 yrs, the political atmosphere of the last 3, and the on-going investigations into (more than likely) the criminal actions of some to take down our country has forever changed us, and the "American Experiment" as well. Remember, Ben Franklin warned us, "...if you can keep it."
And, just as the allegory concludes, we can't go back; we can't recapture that innocence, nor convince everyone that we should. The America in which we grew up has mutated; it is, and will be, different.
I don't think we will lose our country, but it will be different. And we can't go back. Walk on; and preserve our principles of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.
We may not be able to capture our innocence, but there should be no reason we can't keep our Constitution in tact. Liberals and now even states are openly defying the Constitution. When we lose the Constitution, then yes. We will lose our country. The trend is STRONGLY towards changing or dumping the Constitution. The fact that politicians and states can defy the Constitution without consequence should tell you something. Unless you have any ideas of what will stop it, America the Free is done.
As I said in my first sentence, I was not disagreeing with you, but your point provided a lane to make my point, that of not being able to go back to an America in which we grew up.
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It began to die during the Vietnam war.
I chose 9-11 as an inflection point because I had always felt that we were safe from an attack due to our geographical separation from potential enemies. Unlike Europe, which inherently had some common borders between aggressors and peace abiding nations. Germany and France, for instance. That was the point of lost innocence; that our very creation, use and continued evolution of technology, coupled with our ideals of individual freedom and pursuit of happiness made us vulnerable to a heinous attack. That was the loss of innocence of which I emphasized. Whether all of us agree with that, we as a free society gave up a tremendous amount of individual freedom and rights of privacy. All because of an expressed desire to "protect us".
Right.
As for Vietnam, we really need to go back into the late 40's when the CIA began to believe that they would be the best arbiters of what was safe. Not to get into conspiracy, but Project Bluebook comes to mind, Majestic12 does as well. All in the pursuit of protecting the American society from the unknown. Other than Buck Rogers, Flash Gordon and Commando Cody, all who whipped alien butt, scary alien stuff didn't appear in cinema until early 50's, I believe.
And MKULTRA? How about the drug radiation experiments? Bomb shelters? Air Raid drills?
Yeah, I'd go back pre-Vietnam for that but still, we had not yet experienced a direct attack on us, on our soil. Pearl Harbor? Wasn't a State yet, and the Japanese did not pursue it as conquest, merely to get an opposing force out of the way. But 9-11 WAS. Perhaps naivete is a better word.
I apologize if my words led you to believe that I wanted to go back to "innocence". We just cannot go back to "the way it was". We must walk on. And hold to our convictions.
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Eternal vigilance is the price of Liberty.
While there is some dispute as to the origin of the quote, Curran, Jefferson or Phillips, whatever, I think it is still true, and you have correctly translated it into our lack of that vigilance and willingness to sacrifice to keep that liberty.
All that said, I still agree with your critical point; perhaps a violent agreement, but agreement still. Thanks!