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I know ol' Joe is missing a step or two but he can't be that dumb not to entertain the thought that the blowback on him and his son would be very intense.

Wait. Like Obama, he probably thought he was bulletproof, too. Yeah, I can see him being that arrogant and clueless.

Apparently the two Ukrainians arrested today have had bail set at $1 million each. Is that high for campaign finance violations? Seems high to me.

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Apparently the two Ukrainians arrested today have had bail set at $1 million each. Is that high for campaign finance violations? Seems high to me.

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For campaign finance violations, yes, but likely due to them planning to leave the country.

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Apparently the two Ukrainians arrested today have had bail set at $1 million each. Is that high for campaign finance violations? Seems high to me.

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They were arrested at Dulles Airport and possessed one-way international flight tickets, a rather obvious indication they were under electronic surveillance. I suspect the high bail was set as they would be considered flight risks.

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/trump-impeachment-inquiry-latest-whistleblower-memo-2019-10-10/

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1182442602940907520.html

Interesting short threadreader, a translation of an Italian article published today.
Seems that prominent officials at Link Campus Rome are denying relationships/meetings with Mifsud, obviously lies when verifiable records are reviewed. Everyone knows Mifsud was associated with Link Campus, so why the lying? Could it be that they suspect Mifsud is dead and don't want to be caught up in the investigation?

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The Wall Street Journal is reporting the anonymous gossipers' lawyers are now requesting official impeachment testimony by letters not an in-person appearance. If this is accurate such a request speaks directly to the abject stupidity of the claim:

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WASHINGTONLawyers for the CIA officer whose whistleblower complaint helped ignite an impeachment inquiry into President Trump have asked Congress whether their client could submit testimony in writing instead of appearing in person, according to people familiar with the matter.

The request reflects concerns about whether the whistleblower could testify to Democrats and Republicans without revealing his identity, and fears that doing so would lead to it being publicly leaked, jeopardizing his personal safety. The intelligence committees haven't yet responded to the inquiry about potential written testimony, the people said.

Spokeswomen for the House and Senate intelligence committees didn't respond to requests to comment.

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It was already ridiculous to think a presidential impeachment, to remove the most powerful elected political representative of The United States, could continue based on an anonymous complaint. However, expecting the same complainant/accuser to remain invisible during the process is so far beyond nonsensical, the light from where nonsense emanates wouldn't reach this narrative for a year.

Yes, feel free to pummel the left-wing nuts based on the absurdity of this request. Only the most raving Moonbat imaginable would think they could impeach a sitting U.S. President via a 'Dear Sir' complaint letter to congress.

These are obviously not stable-minded people.

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Original article paywalled to me:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-whistleblower-may-not-testify-in-person-11570738009

Fun while it lasted.

Is that whistleblower 1, with no direct knowledge, or whistleblower 2 who is lying about the content of the call?

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WASHINGTONLawyers for the CIA officer whose whistleblower complaint helped ignite an impeachment inquiry into President Trump have asked Congress whether their client could submit testimony in writing instead of appearing in person, according to people familiar with the matter.

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But we've already got the phone call in writing, what do we need your testimony in writing for?

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Is that whistleblower 1, with no direct knowledge, or whistleblower 2 who is lying about the content of the call?

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Is that whistleblower 1, with no direct knowledge, or whistleblower 2 who is lying about the content of the call?

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So if true, a partisan hack that jeaprodized the career of a trusted friend with a political slhit job.

With friends like that, ...

Given the revelation of the "gossipers" past employment and direct ties to VP Biden while serving in the White House...his identity should be forthcoming tout suite. Hope he's direly wishing he'd never agreed to join the conspiracy or convinced to participate in their obvious "coup" game. Dumb man who decided to play stupid games and will likely win "Most Stupid" title.

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Given the revelation of the "gossipers" past employment and direct ties to VP Biden while serving in the White House...his identity should be forthcoming tout suite. Hope he's direly wishing he'd never agreed to join the conspiracy or convinced to participate in their obvious "coup" game. Dumb man who decided to play stupid games and will likely win "Most Stupid" title.

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1. He/she is now a hero to the Left.

2. Certainly recruited...incentive involved.

These people think it's him too.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/alt-bloggers-driving-top-civil-153936076.html

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Washington, DC, November 9, 2015 - Representatives of the All-Ukrainian Council of Churches and Religious Organizations met with Obama Administration officials today, delivering a letter to the President calling for the U.S. government to play a greater role in delivering aid to the millions in Ukraine in dire need of humanitarian assistance as the season's freezing temperatures set in. The All Ukrainian Council of Churches and Religious Organizations members represent 85% of the citizens of Ukraine.
Representing the Council were Ukraine's Chief Rabbi Yaakov Dov Bleich, Ukrainian Orthodox Patriarch Filaret (Denysenko) and Ukrainian Catholic Patriarch Sviatoslav Shevchuk. They met with the following representatives of President Obama's Administration:

• Dr. Charles Kupchan (Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for European Affairs)
• Melissa Rogers (Special Assistant to the President and Executive Director of the White House Office of Faith-based and Neighborhood Partnerships)
• Elizabeth Zentos (National Security Council Director for Eastern Europe),
• Eric Ciaramella (NSC Director for Ukraine)
• Christine Gottschalk (NSC Director for Humanitarian and Crisis Response)
• Laura Shultz (NSC Director for Global Engagement)
• Jennifer Wistrand (Policy Advisor for Europe and Eurasia in the Secretary of States Office of Religion and Global Affairs)
• M. Patrick Ellsworth (Senior Ukraine Policy Advisor, U.S. State Department)

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https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/30/mcmaster-and-commander

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.....Most N.S.C. employees spend their careers out of the public eye. But a series of online posts by Bannon allies targeted staff members who were perceived as traitorous, exposing personal details about them. A woman named Megan Badasch, who had worked for Trump during the transition and had become the N.S.C.'s deputy executive secretary, was subjected to so much online abuse that she became fearful for her own safety and moved out of her apartment. Badasch regarded herself as a Trump loyalist, and felt that she had been slandered. One of McMaster's daughters tried to reassure her, saying, "If you're being attacked because you're on Dad's side, you're on the right side of history." (She stayed in her post.) Another N.S.C. staffer, Eric Ciaramella, was described on right-wing blogs as a leaker out to "sabotage Trump." After receiving death threats, he quit the N.S.C. and returned to his home agency......

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/alt-bloggers-driving-top-civil-153936076.html

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On June 11, alt-right blogger Mike Cernovich published an article attacking an assistant to National Security Advisor H.R. McMaster, claiming the previously low-profile civil servant wanted to "sabotage" President Donald Trump.

The piece described Eric Ciaramella as "pro-Ukraine and anti-Russia" and alleged, with no evidence, that he was possibly responsible for high-level leaks.

The response to the piece included online threats of violence against Ciaramella, which contributed to his decision to leave his job at the the National Security Council a few weeks early, according to two sources familiar with the situation.

Although the harassment was not the only factor, one of the two sources said they "distinctly got the impression" that the departure was premature, partially because of "right-wing" harassment......

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Presumptive identification of the whistleblower...accused of being anti-Trump & a leaker back in 2017. Was on the NSC and worked under McMaster. Sounds like a scenario where this guy would have a grudge.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/07/politics/adam-schiff-trump-white-house-staffers/index.html

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Interesting tidbit from February 2019. Schiff hired former NSC members to his staff. Too convenient that the WB was formerly a NSC member. Remember the story that the WB contacted Schiff's office & was told by an 'aide' to contact a lawyer to assist in filing the complaint? This is a well coordinated plot again. Evil bas****s.

Surely Schiff isn't dumb enough to use his own staffer for a hearsay "whistle blower." Even as biased as he is, the IC IG, Atkinson, would know that wouldn't fly very far.

Ooooor, they are that desperate??

Should we be surprised if that happened? It's probably just the whistleblower's spouse/affair who is on Schiff's staff...

Hopefully he will provide a written statement which will corroborate Volker's testimony/statement.

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Hopefully he will provide a written statement which will corroborate Volker's testimony/statement.

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Since he is ignoring the orders from his boss, I would expect a sell out.

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Since he is ignoring the orders from his boss, I would expect a sell out.

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I doubt it. Remember, he's the one who sent a text message to that Bill Taylor chap contradicting him and saying there was no quid pro quo.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGANJi0WsAEJ0xT?format=png

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Fun while it lasted.

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Dumpster fire Dems

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Surely Schiff isn't dumb enough to use his own staffer for a hearsay "whistle blower." Even as biased as he is, the IC IG, Atkinson, would know that wouldn't fly very far.

Ooooor, they are that desperate??

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What if the NSC staffers were the points of contact for the "whistleblowers" to communicate with Schiff's office? A layer of plausible deniability for him that could freely coordinate with people in the IC.

Now this will be 'viper' quality testimony that the Dems will leak (broadcast) because Trump fired her -- they will allege she was fired because Trump was demanding an investigation of the Bidens & she wouldn't cooperate. The latter is already being pushed by the MSM in a massive narrative spiel. Just do a google search.

But remember, she's the one who blocked Ukrainian prosecutor requests for visas to come to the US to present evidence of the Biden's corrupt dealings; she is also suspected of requesting journalists to be placed under surveillance & is alleged to be anti-Trump.

https://www.amgreatness.com/2019/10/10/nunes-former-ambassador-to-ukraine-made-strange-and-irregular-requests-to-monitor-u-s-journalists/

blocked evidence, hello 1990, txt that chit

Trump didn't fire her, he recalled her. She's still employed by the State Department (at the moment) but on leave. Must be a loophole in there somewhere.

Wish the Republicans would ask her about how well she knows Biden bestie car dealer in US and Ukraine Hynansky, the recipient of a 20 million federal government loan.

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Trump didn't fire her, he recalled her. She's still employed by the State Department (at the moment) but on leave. Must be a loophole in there somewhere.

Wish the Republicans would ask her about how well she knows Biden bestie car dealer in US and Ukraine Hynansky, the recipient of a 20 million federal government loan.

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This.

I would hope that the next thing both of these ambassadors receive is a pink slip.

Do not ambassadors serve at the pleasure of the President? Are they not purely political appointments? Is not their job to represent the government of the United States to foreign leaders, not to run foreign policy as they see fit while ignoring instructions from the boss?

The bureaucrats in this country are out of control. If I'm Trump and I win a second term, I would make it the singular goal of my second term to utterly gut the "professional bureaucrats" in the executive branch in all departments, but I would start with State and then move on to the FBI & CIA. Anyone you can't terminate, you demote to the lowest point possible in the crappiest location possible.

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Do not ambassadors serve at the pleasure of the President? Are they not purely political appointments? Is not their job to represent the government of the United States to foreign leaders, not to run foreign policy as they see fit while ignoring instructions from the boss?

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Not only that but the host country can request recall of any diplomatic (or CIA for that matter) staff that they don't like.

Zelensky thanked Trump for recalling her. Would imagine that his displeasure with her had been communicated prior to her recall. Most of Giuliani's efforts in Ukraine were under Poroshenko, not Zelensky. Doubtful Rudy had her recalled but guess it's possible if she got pissy enough with him.

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Trump didn't fire her, he recalled her. She's still employed by the State Department (at the moment) but on leave. Must be a loophole in there somewhere.

Wish the Republicans would ask her about how well she knows Biden bestie car dealer in US and Ukraine Hynansky, the recipient of a 20 million federal government loan.

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You're right (as usual) -- he can't fire her as she is a career United States Foreign Service employee, initially hired in 1986.

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You're right (as usual) -- he can't fire her as she is a career United States Foreign Service employee, initially hired in 1986.

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If she returns to State (unlikely in my view) Pompeo can send her down to HR, though.

She can spend the balance of her career auditing background checks for departmental clerical and janitorial staff.