I hope Tracy is accurate and that Trump & Barr nail every one of these lousy Deep State SOB's . The ones at the bottom, the ones in the middle and the ones at the top. These dopey fools are building their own gallows by impeaching Trump! This will be Nancy Pelosi's Waterloo !
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Well, Trump didn't help himself appointing Sessions. Self inflicted catastrophic blunder.Zemira said:
I want to believe but I definitely have BCS (battered conservative syndrome) and seriously doubt anything is going to happen.
As a result, Barr has only been on the job for 10 months and Durham only 4.5 months. "Proof beyond a reasonable doubt" is a very high hurdle for criminal prosecutors and sadly, the clock of justice has only been ticking for less than a year. Hopefully, the next 13 months is enough time before the gong strikes midnight Nov 2, 2020.
I'm encouraged to hear that Durham has already been to the Ukraine and that Barr went to Italy. Both governments have leaders that are not beholden to the Democrats/Globalists cabal and should cooperate in answering questions about the activities of their respective predecessors.
Several months back, most of the Italian intelligence apparatus was summarily fired. Should be no love lost about ratting out those that were fired.
And then there's this:
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Several months back, most of the Italian intelligence apparatus was summarily fired. Should be no love lost about ratting out those that were fired.
And then there's this:
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arl Bernstein, who earned his fame by uncovering the massive scandal involving a break-in at the Watergate complex and the ensuing cover-up, revealed in a CNN interview Thursday what his sources say Barr is preparing to do.
"Barr is trying to deliver and I have this, as do other reporters from other sources to deliver evidence that perhaps this has all been a deep state conspiracy like Donald Trump alleges," Bernstein, a CNN political analyst, said.
The recent "whistleblower" complaint, like the fault-ridden Steele dossier before it, has been accused of being nothing more than part of the leftist establishment's plot to depose President Donald Trump.
While it appears Bernstein is no fan of Trump, it's likely that the veteran journalist has trustworthy sources.
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Notice that no Ukrainian officials have been requested to attend. I don't see a hearing scheduled for the whistleblower either. It appears that cross examination will be either ignored or not permitted. Looks like a true kangaroo court process. Sundance's full article is worth a read:hbtheduce said:
aggiehawg have you seen this twitter thread? Is the Dem's endgame really just impeachment of DJT or is there a bigger picture? (Harassment of political opponents?)
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/09/28/pelosis-house-rule-changes-are-key-part-of-articles-of-impeachment-being-drafted-over-next-two-weeks/#more-172169
IMO the Dems want to move quickly on impeachment so they can counter the release of the IG Report on FISA abuse, any release of unredacted documents on SpyGate & any upcoming indictments related to SpyGate. The Dems will claim that all of the latter activities represent political retaliation on the part of Trump & Republicans in response to the impeachment & the Mueller Investigation. With the MSM completely backing the Dems & ignoring (or only paying lip service) all SpyGate proceedings, it's going to be a real circus leading up to the 2020 Elections. I fear it's going to become chaotic & turn violent...the latter is from the Far Left Playbook...chaos, anarchy, revolution. The Dems know that their political platform is entirely unacceptable to the majority of Middle Class Americans (socialism including Medicare for all, open borders & amnesty for illegals, increasing taxes & wealth confiscation, Green New Deal, gun control & confiscation, etc.), so they must contrive to make the prevailing issues for deciding the 2020 Election something else -- they plan to focus their entire 2020 political agenda on 'that evil orange man whom we impeached'.
Wow! Wasn't Bernstein eaten up with the Russia Spygate being the downfall of Trump? If so, what were these same sources telling him then?
Oh, I do believe the Dems will impeach by Thanksgiving, but ONLY because they can count onf their media acolytes saying "the impeached" president every time they speak. The left has done their homework, and understand most folks have tuned out all of the BS, IMO.
So, my question is if a president is impeached by nefarious and fallacious actions (see Schiff), how is that handled by the government? Since a president can be impeached for anything, I'm not sure there's an issue, which may be what the Dems are counting on.
I honestly wonder how much investigating he did on his own, or if he's riding the coattails of a spectacular journalistic reveal 50 years ago.
Oh, I do believe the Dems will impeach by Thanksgiving, but ONLY because they can count onf their media acolytes saying "the impeached" president every time they speak. The left has done their homework, and understand most folks have tuned out all of the BS, IMO.
So, my question is if a president is impeached by nefarious and fallacious actions (see Schiff), how is that handled by the government? Since a president can be impeached for anything, I'm not sure there's an issue, which may be what the Dems are counting on.
I honestly wonder how much investigating he did on his own, or if he's riding the coattails of a spectacular journalistic reveal 50 years ago.
If Sundance is correct and the Dems will spend the next two weeks drafting articles of impeachment, the pressure is on Barr and Horowitz to roll out the FISAgate report in the interim.
At this point, I doubt we will ever hear directly from the "whistle blower" too much momentum would be lost with a bad performance. They can't take that chance.
But Pelosi's drastic changes to the rules of the House to neuter the minority and essentially operate in secret is a Pelosi hallmark. Remember when the Republicans were literally locked out of meetings when ObamaCare was being drafted?
Talk about corruption.
At this point, I doubt we will ever hear directly from the "whistle blower" too much momentum would be lost with a bad performance. They can't take that chance.
But Pelosi's drastic changes to the rules of the House to neuter the minority and essentially operate in secret is a Pelosi hallmark. Remember when the Republicans were literally locked out of meetings when ObamaCare was being drafted?
Talk about corruption.
No question Pelosi's 'impeachment inquiry' is purposed for 2020 and to counter DOJ/OIG investigations. However, IMO Pelosi gets more mileage out of directing 6 House committees to slime Trump for 12 months via her 'official impeachment inquiry' umbrella. Calling for a House impeachment vote would require her to codify iffy impeachable charges and put her House majority at risk in red/purple districts.drcrinum said:
IMO the Dems want to move quickly on impeachment so they can counter the release of the IG Report on FISA abuse, any release of unredacted documents on SpyGate & any upcoming indictments related to SpyGate.
Can the Senate subpoena the whistleblower to speak? I've got to call the whistleblower something other than "whistleblower". He/she is a bull**** plant, whos likely been coached!
They have to know who it is before they can subpoena him. They could send the subpoena to his lawyer but would still have to identify the name of the client who was the subject.fasthorses05 said:
Can the Senate subpoena the whistleblower to speak? I've got to call the whistleblower something other than "whistleblower". He/she is a bull**** plant, whos likely been coached!
Why I don't think we will hear from him anytime soon. Also, it would be the Intelligence Committee in the Senate. That's Burr. He's nadless.
Note Obama has been as quiet as a church mouse. Hillary is too stupid to shutup !
You haven't seen Steele (or Mifsud) appear before any committees, although Steele (reluctantly) has given a deposition to Durham (& Durham has some kind of a deposition from Mifsud).aggiehawg said:They have to know who it is before they can subpoena him. They could send the subpoena to his lawyer but would still have to identify the name of the client who was the subject.fasthorses05 said:
Can the Senate subpoena the whistleblower to speak? I've got to call the whistleblower something other than "whistleblower". He/she is a bull**** plant, whos likely been coached!
Why I don't think we will hear from him anytime soon. Also, it would be the Intelligence Committee in the Senate. That's Burr. He's nadless.
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Note Obama has been as quiet as a church mouse. Hillary is too stupid to shutup !
Because his hand are dirty and unlike most Dems he is not a fool.
I'd like the Senate establish a new rule...
- The Senate can find against removal if, by majority vote, the Senate finds a lack of Due Process in the House Impeachment Proceedings.
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Leaker?fasthorses05 said:
Can the Senate subpoena the whistleblower to speak? I've got to call the whistleblower something other than "whistleblower". He/she is a bull**** plant, whos likely been coached!
Dumb question- - - does the "whistle blower" even exist? Seriously! I'm SWAGuessing that a group of partisan Dems...or, Schiff himself wrote the salacious complaint and submitted it anonymously in the middle of the night. He's that corrupt and the stakes are that high.
As Mrs. Hawg stated, Barr, Durham and or Horowitz better prioritize their investigation and DELIVER a death blow, like NOW...not later.
ETA - Sadly, I'm sure Mr. Hawg is enjoying the game today.
As Mrs. Hawg stated, Barr, Durham and or Horowitz better prioritize their investigation and DELIVER a death blow, like NOW...not later.
ETA - Sadly, I'm sure Mr. Hawg is enjoying the game today.
Alexander, Caesar, Charlemagne, and myself founded empires; but upon what foundation did we rest the creations of our genius? Upon force! But Jesus Christ founded His upon love; and at this hour millions of men would die for Him. - Napoleon Bonaparte
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Dumb question- - - does the "whistle blower" even exist? Seriously! I'm SWAGuessing that a group of partisan Dems...or, Schiff himself wrote the salacious complaint and submitted it anonymously in the middle of the night. He's that corrupt and the stakes are that high.
As Ms. Hawg stated, Barr, Durham and or Horowitz better prioritize their investigation and DELIVER a death blow, like NOW...not later.
I proposed on day one that this was made up but others assumed me it has to be a real intelligence worker.
I apologize if this has been asked.
The whistleblower admits the information is hearsay. Wouldn't that mean someone with first hand knowledge of the President's conversation leaked the information. Anyone with access to this conversation I am sure has signed appropriate confidentiality agreements making leaking a crime.
Couldn't the DOJ legally force the whistleblower to reveal the names of the sources who broke the law?
The whistleblower admits the information is hearsay. Wouldn't that mean someone with first hand knowledge of the President's conversation leaked the information. Anyone with access to this conversation I am sure has signed appropriate confidentiality agreements making leaking a crime.
Couldn't the DOJ legally force the whistleblower to reveal the names of the sources who broke the law?
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
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Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
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If Sundance is correct and the Dems will spend the next two weeks drafting articles of impeachment, the pressure is on Barr and Horowitz to roll out the FISAgate report in the interim.
At this point, I doubt we will ever hear directly from the "whistle blower" too much momentum would be lost with a bad performance. They can't take that chance.
But Pelosi's drastic changes to the rules of the House to neuter the minority and essentially operate in secret is a Pelosi hallmark. Remember when the Republicans were literally locked out of meetings when ObamaCare was being drafted?
Talk about corruption.
is there no recourse for this crap?
Yes.richardag said:
I apologize if this has been asked.
The whistleblower admits the information is hearsay. Wouldn't that mean someone with first hand knowledge of the President's conversation leaked the information. Anyone with access to this conversation I am sure has signed appropriate confidentiality agreements making leaking a crime.
Couldn't the DOJ legally force the whistleblower to reveal the names of the sources who broke the law?
richardag said:
I apologize if this has been asked.
The whistleblower admits the information is hearsay. Wouldn't that mean someone with first hand knowledge of the President's conversation leaked the information. Anyone with access to this conversation I am sure has signed appropriate confidentiality agreements making leaking a crime.
Couldn't the DOJ legally force the whistleblower to reveal the names of the sources who broke the law?
In a fair world, this would have never been brought to light and the leaker would be punished...but here we are.
2nd best news of the day!
https://www.dailywire.com/news/senate-judiciary-letter-to-doj-ukraine-helped-clinton-campaign-dnc/
The above article is an interesting historical take on Ukraine regarding interference in US elections. It includes a letter sent from Grassley to Rosenstein dated July 20, 2017, months before our thread began, relating to activities of Alexandra Chalupa (& the DNC) who was seeking dirt on Manafort in the Ukraine in order to assist the Clinton Campaign.
Below is a link to Grassley's letter. I don't know if Rosenstein ever responded.
https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2017-07-20%20CEG%20to%20DOJ%20(Ukraine%20DNC%20FARA).pdf
Rosenstein is and was a weasel.
Mueller and Weissmann are just POSs.
Mueller and Weissmann are just POSs.
Why would he need to be forced? He is obviously interested in reporting criminal activity, right?Quote:
"Couldn't the DOJ legally force the whistleblower to reveal the names of the sources who broke the law?"
That's why this whole thing is such a farce. The illegality that the "whistle blower" should have been informing on was the illegal dissemination of classified material.Safe at Home said:Why would he need to be forced? He is obviously interested in reporting criminal activity, right?Quote:
"Couldn't the DOJ legally force the whistleblower to reveal the names of the sources who broke the law?"
One can disagree as whether the classification was warranted but that's not his call as he was not the classifying authority. Part of the complaint was that the transcript was put on a classified server with severely restricted access.
Gee, ever occur to the bonehead there might be a reason for that? Since he never saw the transcript and was only repeating illegal gossip?
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Thank you for the responses. I would think the Democrats anticipated this scenario and have a plan to block any formal under oath testimony by the whistleblower. Seems like there needs to be an early morning raid on the whistleblower's home by agents in full riot gear. I know that won't happen because these tactics seem the exclusive tools used by Democrats.
Thank you for the responses. I would think the Democrats anticipated this scenario and have a plan to block any formal under oath testimony by the whistleblower. Seems like there needs to be an early morning raid on the whistleblower's home by agents in full riot gear. I know that won't happen because these tactics seem the exclusive tools used by Democrats.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
Nonsense!richardag said:
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Thank you for the responses. I would think the Democrats anticipated this scenario and have a plan to block any formal under oath testimony by the whistleblower. Seems like there needs to be an early morning raid on the whistleblower's home by agents in full riot gear. I know that won't happen because these tactics seem the exclusive tools used by Democrats.
And yes, I'd love to see that too, but there's got to be a legal way to find out who the leaker is. Listen, I want to find out the ieakers identity, but I'm waaaay more interested to find out who, and how many are involved in this. I assume Barr, and possibly Durham, either will, or are invovled in some form of investigation of this. Granted, I haven't heard anything, but it's ripe for Barr to be involved. If that's the case, then there's all kinds of wonderful people to talk to, under oath, and wonderful questions to ask them.
To me, there's a sidebar to the Ukranian mess. Since Barr and Durham have been to Ukraine, Europe, and other places, hopefully someone will speak the truth to the Clinton Foundation sum of $145 million from five Russians. I'd be willing to bet you the Ukranian oligarch who owns Burisma knows how that went down.
Will the Democrat " Savages " also impeach Barr & Durham for going to Ukraine ?
Did a search using DuckDuckGo and came up with pages of Democrats demanding Barr's impeachment.oysterbayAG said:
Will the Democrat " Savages " also impeach Barr & Durham for going to Ukraine ?
A deranged one from May 2019
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/05/02/is-nancy-pelosi-greasing-skids-impeachment-barr/
If you're conservative you are a target for impeachment from these psychopaths.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
The original story was published in the WaPo which is paywalled. Below is a thread about the article:will25u said:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1178084480294277120.html
The investigation began under the Obama Admin, but the WaPo is blaming Trump. Apparently the State Department has been investigating emails sent by former officials to HRC. My guess is they have been looking for people who sent her classified material as well as used non-secure government devices (phones) for transmitting classified mateials.
Wouldn't it be ironic if former officials were prosecuted/disciplined for sending HRC unauthorized classified intel but HRC skated?
Rudy Giuliani was just on Judge Jeanine. It was a very poor interview because she kept interrupting him & talking over him. It wasn't pleasant to watch/listen, & I doubt a video will be posted.
What I was able to decipher (I think) was that Giuliani was asked by Ambassadors Volker & Sondland to look into the Ukrainian situation (he showed several messages), & Giuliani then met with a number of pertinent Ukrainian individuals and obtained loads of documented evidence on corruption regarding the 2016 Election, etc. So I suspect that Volker & Sondland will be pressed in the upcoming Dem hearings about why they brought in Giuliani and what he was authorized to do...(and, of course, it was all Trump's bidding.) Giuliani did make a statement that he thought Volker was a very dedicated & honorable man (even though Volker is an executive director at the McCain Institute), & Giuliani didn't know why Volker resigned from his position as the US Special Representative for Ukraine.
What I was able to decipher (I think) was that Giuliani was asked by Ambassadors Volker & Sondland to look into the Ukrainian situation (he showed several messages), & Giuliani then met with a number of pertinent Ukrainian individuals and obtained loads of documented evidence on corruption regarding the 2016 Election, etc. So I suspect that Volker & Sondland will be pressed in the upcoming Dem hearings about why they brought in Giuliani and what he was authorized to do...(and, of course, it was all Trump's bidding.) Giuliani did make a statement that he thought Volker was a very dedicated & honorable man (even though Volker is an executive director at the McCain Institute), & Giuliani didn't know why Volker resigned from his position as the US Special Representative for Ukraine.
Here is the Giuliani interview: