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The EU has morphed from a trade association to a quasi European government that has no provision comparable to the Tenth Amendment respecting the rights of the member states. The EU is becoming tyrannical as evidenced by their actions against Hungary trying to assert control over their borders and not allow open immigration. EU is taken Hungary to deny them that right.
Not disputing anything you stated. It is just that EU was sold as a trade association that would benefit all members with the increased power of the combined market share. It was never supposed to morph into solely governmental functions such as having its separate court system for subjects other than trade disputes.SeMgCo87 said:Quote:
The EU has morphed from a trade association to a quasi European government that has no provision comparable to the Tenth Amendment respecting the rights of the member states. The EU is becoming tyrannical as evidenced by their actions against Hungary trying to assert control over their borders and not allow open immigration. EU is taken Hungary to deny them that right.
Hawg,
The Tenth Amendment is completely an United States construct, that the raw text of the Constitution obligates the Gov't to do certain things, and the BoR restricts what is possible for them to do.
The 9th and 10th Amendments were thrown in at the last to emphasize what belonged to the people and the States...
Remember, Europe grew from a feudal society with royalty, we spawned from a society of individuals, pilgrims and adventurers, who grew to resent ALL authority, but agreed to allow a central government some authority over them, but many more obligations to the people.
My $0.02 anyway...
K188Ag said:
I think it was always intended to be government, that is just not how it was sold to the people.
It was always generally going in that direction.K188Ag said:
I think it was always intended to be government, that is just not how it was sold to the people.
While it wasn't officially always the EU, it was generally headed that way since the end of the war. The end of the Cold War offered an opportunity for political alignment that would have been seen as provocative to the USSR, while even if a post-USSR Russia didn't like it, they couldn't do a thing to stop it.Quote:
Despite not being officially formed until 1993, the European Union's foundations actually reach further back to 1957, when the European Economic Community was established. The EEC was formed out of a previous group called the European Coal and Steel Community - which had its own start in 1951.
Among other things, the EEC was designed to help break down trade barriers between countries in Europe, protect from private trade agreements that could diminish competition, and establish common agricultural and trade agreements and standards. The countries that comprised the EEC included Ireland, the United Kingdom, Denmark, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, France, West Germany (and later East), Italy, Portugal, Spain and Greece.
I've suspected for quite some time that hardliners against the Brexit movement in Britain were the ones that colluded with Hillary in hopes of trading favors within the respective governments. Trump was very outspoken during the Brexit vote in support of leaving the union. I don't have any hard evidence, I'm just connecting dots.aggiehawg said:
Not disputing anything you stated. It is just that EU was sold as a trade association that would benefit all members with the increased power of the combined market share. It was never supposed to morph into solely governmental functions such as having its separate court system for subjects other than trade disputes.
Obama had publicly warned Britain he wouldn't do any special trade deals with the UK if they left the EU. Something about putting them at the end of the line. Hillary would lkely signal she would follow that same policy. Trump, OTOH was saying the opposite.hawk1689 said:I've suspected for quite some time that hardliners against the Brexit movement in Britain were the ones that colluded with Hillary in hopes of trading favors within the respective governments. Trump was very outspoken during the Brexit vote in support of leaving the union. I don't have any hard evidence, I'm just connecting dots.aggiehawg said:
Not disputing anything you stated. It is just that EU was sold as a trade association that would benefit all members with the increased power of the combined market share. It was never supposed to morph into solely governmental functions such as having its separate court system for subjects other than trade disputes.
fasthorses05 said:
You know, I have no doubt it that was the case, but is there anyone in the world who ever pays attention to history? I ask, because what has happened, is what ALWAYS happens, every single time.
As humans, we just can't seem to help it.
My biggest fear? Is that the "bombshells" for many in the country are going to be the same crap we have been discussing here for a year and a half that we already knew.Prosperdick said:You and me both.aggiehawg said:Not that I have seen. Congressman Collins from Georgia was the one who was releasing transcripts and the House is not in session right now. <sigh> Tired of the delays here.Prosperdick said:So did these get released?Secolobo said:
Absolutely...if no indictments and just another IG report with no accompanying teeth I'll be devastated (and yes, I know they don't have the power) but we can't let a coup d'etat go unpunished.aggiehawg said:My biggest fear? Is that the "bombshells" for many in the country are going to be the same crap we have been discussing here for a year and a half that we already knew.Prosperdick said:You and me both.aggiehawg said:Not that I have seen. Congressman Collins from Georgia was the one who was releasing transcripts and the House is not in session right now. <sigh> Tired of the delays here.Prosperdick said:So did these get released?Secolobo said:
The only "bombshells" I am waiting for are indictments and perp walks.
I understand how slowly the justice system works but the crimes here are soooo obvious and easily provable to at least get indictments and then go to trial, that I am very confused as to what is really taking so long.Quote:
Absolutely...if no indictments and just another IG report with no accompanying teeth I'll be devastated (and yes, I know they don't have the power) but we can't let a coup d'etat go unpunished.
It's beyond infuriating. Actually, it's becoming suspicious!! Either we're a country of laws...OR, we're not????aggiehawg said:I understand how slowly the justice system works but the crimes here are soooo obvious and easily provable to at least get indictments and then go to trial, that I am very confused as to what is really taking so long.Quote:
Absolutely...if no indictments and just another IG report with no accompanying teeth I'll be devastated (and yes, I know they don't have the power) but we can't let a coup d'etat go unpunished.
As expected. Just can't believe a word out of the guy's mouth anymore. He's the Avenatti of the right.drcrinum said:
diGenova was just on Lou Dobbs. Not a peep about declassification of documents.
Someone's foot is hard on the brake.drcrinum said:
diGenova was just on Lou Dobbs. Not a peep about declassification of documents.
Coats and Wray.whatthehey78 said:Someone's foot is hard on the brake.drcrinum said:
diGenova was just on Lou Dobbs. Not a peep about declassification of documents.
Opportunist weasel. He would go with the flow regardless of direction. Zero principles nor backbone.Quote:
I still believe Rosenstein was a black hat.
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The Justice Department's chief watchdog is preparing a damning report on James Comey's conduct in his final days as FBI director that likely will conclude he leaked classified information and showed a lack of candor after his own agency began looking into his feud with President Trump over the Russia probe.
Inspector General (IG) Michael Horowitz's team referred Comey for possible prosecution under the classified information protection laws, but Department of Justice (DOJ) prosecutors working for Attorney General William Barr reportedly have decided to decline prosecution -- a decision that's likely to upset Comey's conservative critics.
Prosecutors found the IG's findings compelling but decided not to bring charges because they did not believe they had enough evidence of Comey's intent to violate the law, according to multiple sources.
The concerns stem from the fact that one memo that Comey leaked to a friend specifically to be published by the media as he admitted in congressional testimony -- contained information classified at the lowest level of "confidential," and that classification was made by the FBI after Comey had transmitted the information, the sources said.
Although a technical violation, the DOJ did not want to "make its first case against the Russia investigators with such thin margins and look petty and vindictive," a source told me, explaining the DOJ's rationale.
But Comey and others inside the FBI and the DOJ during his tenure still face legal jeopardy in ongoing probes by the IG and Barr-appointed special prosecutor John Durham. Those investigations are focused on the origins of the Russia investigation that included a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrant targeting the Trump campaign at the end of the 2016 election, the source said.
"There are significant issues emerging with how the FISA was handled and other conduct in the investigation, and everyone involved remains under scrutiny," a second source said....
aggiehawg said:Opportunist weasel. He would go with the flow regardless of direction. Zero principles nor backbone.Quote:
I still believe Rosenstein was a black hat.
What a load of crap. Comey is on record under oath saying he did it on purpose!!!!!!!!Quote:
Prosecutors found the IG's findings compelling but decided not to bring charges because they did not believe they had enough evidence of Comey's intent to violate the law, according to multiple sources.
Up to Barr as to whether that is even possible.Hogties said:
There's no problem with another prosecutor deciding to charge though right?
Y'all, I want to be really angry-like it would do any good-, but it all comes down to two things: 1. Do ya trust Barr, Durham, and Horowitz? Don't know, and this isn't a good start, but my understanding is Barr can stil choose to indict. 2. IF Barr is going to delay, which is fine, then he better by god be sure there's thunder coming with the FISA abuse.VegasAg86 said:
Solomon was just on Hannity discussing this. IG referred for prosecution, AG declined prosecution. He thinks they're passing on this because they have him on bigger things (a fraudulent FISA application).
Lindsay Graham then came on and said he trusts Barr. Talked about two approaches - 1) throw everything you have at them, and 2) hit them with your best shot. He's assuming Barr is using approach 2 and has something bigger on Comey.
Edit: He also noted Mueller overcharged on everyone and he appreciates Barr showing some discretion.
Wish I could reassure you but that is not the way prosecutors work. Those are the relatively minor charges (less jail time, unless sentenced consecutively) that are used to leverage criminal defendants. Wave those potential charges as leverage to get cooperation on bigger crimes against others. Only way he passes on the leverage is that he already has what he needs and wants for other purposes. And I don't pretend to have any ideas as to what that might be.fasthorses05 said:Y'all, I want to be really angry-like it would do any good-, but it all comes down to two things: 1. Do ya trust Barr, Durham, and Horowitz? Don't know, and this isn't a good start, but my understanding is Barr can stil choose to indict. 2. IF Barr is going to delay, which is fine, then he better by god be sure there's thunder coming with the FISA abuse.VegasAg86 said:
Solomon was just on Hannity discussing this. IG referred for prosecution, AG declined prosecution. He thinks they're passing on this because they have him on bigger things (a fraudulent FISA application).
Lindsay Graham then came on and said he trusts Barr. Talked about two approaches - 1) throw everything you have at them, and 2) hit them with your best shot. He's assuming Barr is using approach 2 and has something bigger on Comey.
Edit: He also noted Mueller overcharged on everyone and he appreciates Barr showing some discretion.
