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My guess is that former officials and possibly present officials have been "meddling / involved" with this case from the outset. Hence bring in as much oversight as possible.

Surely it's just a coincidence that Epstein's arrest happened to occur 10 days prior to Mueller's scheduled testimony before the House Judiciary Committee. I mean, after all, Mueller & Barr are 'good friends' & their wives attend the same Bible study group.

Mueller will back out because of this Epstein matter.

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Seeing how Epstein's arrest is out of the SDNY, I would not trust them to do anything without an ulterior motive which protects the Clintons and targets Trump.

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I agree, but it is noteworthy that half the sdny staff has been cleaned out since the election. One must hope that americans are in place there now and maybe we unlock the coverups and get some justice.

Good point. It's time to start vetting the SDNY players ourselves and getting their names to the forefront of people's minds. They have some heavy lifting heading their way and I want to know if they smell like *****

Chief of Public Corruption Unit left in August 2016

Looks like the gatekeeper was removed and justice has been allowed to flow. We saw the same thing happen when Schneiderman was removed as AG of New York and then boom we get the NXIVM trial.
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Finally a threadreader on Techno_Fog's latest thread on the Epstein case.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1147660978030616581.html

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/dec/10/glenn-simpsons-fusion-gps-ran-donald-trump-smear-c/

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Fusion GPS, the opposition research firm whose Democrat-financed Russia dossier fueled an FBI investigation into Donald Trump, pitched other stories about the Republican presidential candidate to Washington reporters, including an attempt to tie him to a convicted pedophile who was once buddies with former President Bill Clinton.

Journalist sources told The Washington Times that Fusion founder Glenn Simpson pushed the idea of a close relationship between Mr. Trump and Jeffrey Epstein, who pleaded guilty in 2008 to soliciting sex from an underage girl.

The Trump-Epstein link appears purely social, far short of Mr. Clinton's 20-plus plane rides on Epstein's "Lolita Express" private jet around the globe in the early 2000s.

Ken Silverstein, the reporter who ultimately wrote an Epstein-Trump report, confirmed to The Times that Fusion had sourced the story. Mr. Silverstein, founder and editor of WashingtonBabylon.com who wrote the story for Vice.com, defended Mr. Simpson as a solid source of information that must first be confirmed.....

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Might as well put this here too.

What does Pelosi's daughter know and when did she know it?

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If DOJ adopted a hard and fast rule against either their US Attorneys or the FBI using news accounts as evidence without their own separate corroboration, much of Fusion's usefulness would disappear, IMO.

Put an end to circular sourcing.

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With as much fake news as we know there is, I'm astounded that this practice was ever acceptable

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It was deeply frowned upon when I started practicing. If you tried to do that in open court, you would draw a hearsay objection with which the judge would agree.

Funny how all the press articles essentially assume Epstein is guilty and got off basically in Florida but none mention his high powered political friends.

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Funny how all the press articles essentially assume Epstein is guilty and got off basically in Florida but none mention his high powered political friends.

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Have to confess I have been wondering why Acosta is still at DOL. But maybe he turned state's evidence against his superiors who driving the bus from DC??

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It's a work around to get to Trump! A special prosecutor can't recommend impeachment or indict a sitting US president, but a Public Corruption Unit has no restrictions!!! /VFN_CNN

Isn't a big part of the definition of politics a "public spectacle"?

I'm pretty sure Bob wants to be a part of the public spectacle. He'd insist on his testimony being transcribed if he didn't.

*****t for brains will run to the cameras and lie about what Mueller said, Mueller with say "no comment" and the media won't believe the Republicans telling them *****t for brains is a lying PoS.

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I'm pretty sure Bob wants to be a part of the public spectacle. He'd insist on his testimony being transcribed if he didn't.

*****t for brains will run to the cameras and lie about what Mueller said, Mueller with say "no comment" and the media won't believe the Republicans telling them *****t for brains is a lying PoS.

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After Mueller enters the chamber maybe someone will have "inadvertently" left their phone behind.

Some new info about Concord Management.

https://www.usatoday.com/documents/6185644-Sealed-Order/

The government violated Rule 57.7 and disseminated info via Mueller's Report & subsequent statements by AG Barr that would interfere with Concord Management receiving a fair trial. The judge decided not to rule the government & Barr to be in criminal contempt. However, any further violations will bring down the hammer. Because of this there will be some sealed documents unsealed and made public without redaction (relates to the hearing leading up to this ruling +). An interesting read for the attorneys -- 23 pages -- & please respond with matters that are beyond my intellect capacities, being a non-legal.

Here are the responses to the ruling by the government & Concord:
https://www.usatoday.com/documents/6185645-Response-to-motion/
https://www.usatoday.com/documents/6185646-Reply-to-non-motion-Document/

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-08/luongo-epsteins-arrest-tells-me-trump-now-out-blood

Very interesting read. I think it belongs on this thread rather than the Jeffery Epstein thread, but I'll post it there too.

Reading it now but great movie reference

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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-08/luongo-epsteins-arrest-tells-me-trump-now-out-blood

Very interesting read. I think it belongs on this thread rather than the Jeffery Epstein thread, but I'll post it there too.

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Encouraging, right up to the end.....

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Maybe this is the moment of Peak Swamp? Maybe it's the moment where we can see things begin, ever so slightly to improve.

Is it too little, too late? Likely. But something had to be done to keep our faith in our political and social institutions intact. Because otherwise that way leads to only chaos and collapse.

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Well reasoned opinion by the judge here. Split the baby. Told the government they did wrong but reserving the inherent right to hammer them if (when because it will) happen again.

Just illustrates again how poorly drafted and unprofessional the Mueller Report really is. Also how dumb of a move Mueller's presser became. He brought a stupid indictment never expecting to have to prosecute it in court.

My assessment is that Barr is awaiting Durham before he tells Jesse Liu to drop it altogether. Far too messy and rife with factual proof problems to have a case that results in a guilty verdict, not to mention the classified info crap as to sources and methods. Counter-intel is information gathering, not evidence building.

Crazy stuff on Q thread. All linking together. Question is how crazy does it really get?

Since it's highly likely Concord is a done deal, what, or how much does it take for a company/corporation to suit the government in a situation like this?

I guess what I'm asking is Weissman/Mueller' decison to bring Concord to court is an obvious screw up. Is it a big enough screw-up to suit the government?

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Crazy stuff on Q thread. All linking together. Question is how crazy does it really get?

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can someone demonstrate how any of that nonsense links together? It all seems like silly games to me. Why doesn't nostradamus just tell us what's going on without using arcane riddles?

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Crazy stuff on Q thread. All linking together. Question is how crazy does it really get?

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can someone demonstrate how any of that nonsense links together? It all seems like silly games to me. Why doesn't nostradamus just tell us what's going on without using arcane riddles?

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I got that.

I'm cool with your credentials - I'll take them at face value. Part of me wants the swamp to be as thick and deep as described. But, for the love of God, please demonstrate how all of this lines up with the predictions of "q".

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I'm cool with your credentials - I'll take them at face value. Part of me wants the swamp to be as thick and deep as described. But, for the love of God, please demonstrate how all of this lines up with the predictions of "q".

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cbr has written some well reasoned and articulate posts, in this and other threads.

But, at the risk of speaking for him, I think it needs to be strongly emphasized that Q did not, does not, will not "predict" anything.

From the beginning in October, 2017, Q drops have focused attention on topics or events with indirect references; things that could be verified if you researched them, but indirect enough to maintain "plausible deniability" for whomever was crafting the message.

So, don't hold up what Q states as a prediction, or you will always be disappointed and frustrated. Think of it as a fingerprint that leads you to something.

Bruce Lee, in his movie "Enter the Dragon", was teaching a young disciple and used an analogy, ""It is like a finger pointing at the moon...", to which the young student responded by staring intently at Lee's index finger.

And Lee instantly slapped him, saying, "Stop looking at my finger, or you will miss all that heavenly glory".

Q drops are the finger...look where it points. Everything cbr wrote is the moon.

My $0.02 anyway...after working overnight shifts for two weeks that's all the energy I have.

Have a pleasant morning

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Since it's highly likely Concord is a done deal, what, or how much does it take for a company/corporation to suit the government in a situation like this?

I guess what I'm asking is Weissman/Mueller' decison to bring Concord to court is an obvious screw up. Is it a big enough screw-up to suit the government?

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You are reading a little more into the situation with Concord than there is. Mueller and Weissmann screwed up by bringing the Internet Research case (of which Concord is one defendant) but not because Concord is as pure as the driven snow but because of what the prosecution could realistically prove in court under federal rules of evidence and the kooky Mueller/Weissmann legal theories.

For Concord to flip the script and sue the government* it becomes their burden of proof to make a case of wrongdoing by a preponderance of the evidence But also gives the government access to civil discovery of their business records, and all of their officers and employees to depositions.

Prigozhin, the primary owner remains under indictment but is safely outside of the jurisdiction of the US. If they sued, he would have invoked the jurisdiction of the court and thus have waived such an issue under our civil laws. If the government notices him for a deposition and he fails to show, the court has the discretion to dismiss the entire civil suit.

* There is also the legal theory that Mueller, et. al. acted ultra vires , that is without authority, giving personal liability to them. But again the same civil discovery rules would be applicable with likely the same result.