Just a coincidence? Barr confirmed as AG...Mueller closes down his investigation. If indeed it happens....

If Schiff and CNN are tempering expectations, they've either found out there's nothing there, or maybe they aren't hearing anything because their sources aren't talking. Maybe.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1098278729749618689.html

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THREAD: I am now POSITIVE that Michael Horowitz has the entire story, and is likely making criminal referrals. I haven't done a thread in a while. Buckle up.

2. In an article I wrote on 1/31/19, I detailed for all of you what I thought the mysterious OIG Summary report released by Horowitz on 1/29 meant. oig.justice.gov/reports/2019/f This report is VITALLY IMPORTANT.

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Schiff was all over the weekend shows saying the conclusion will be no collusion and no crime but we need to see all the details because there will be obvious proof of collusion, just not a legal or political one. LMAO at the obvious lying and games he was playing.

Horowitz won't do anything outside his established scope. That was clear in his last report and testimony. Anyone that thinks he will go where the investigation leads him wasn't paying attention last time. Obvious abuses and illegalities were simply around a corner here and a corner there, but time and again Horowitz his behind his specific mandate and scope.

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Horowitz won't do anything outside his established scope. That was clear in his last report and testimony. Anyone that thinks he will go where the investigation leads him wasn't paying attention last time. Obvious abuses and illegalities were simply around a corner here and a corner there, but time and again Horowitz his behind his specific mandate and scope.

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Horowitz's job is oversight, not prosecution, judge and executioner. He can provide a road map but not the final destination.

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Horowitz won't do anything outside his established scope. That was clear in his last report and testimony. Anyone that thinks he will go where the investigation leads him wasn't paying attention last time. Obvious abuses and illegalities were simply around a corner here and a corner there, but time and again Horowitz his behind his specific mandate and scope.

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Horowitz's job is oversight, not prosecution, judge and executioner. He can provide a road map but not the final destination.

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What about Huber and his team of outside prosecutors? Not much of a peep of them. Of course, Inspector General Horowitz keeps a pretty low profile and is quiet as well. I guess we will see if Huber emerges or not, eh?

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Horowitz won't do anything outside his established scope. That was clear in his last report and testimony. Anyone that thinks he will go where the investigation leads him wasn't paying attention last time. Obvious abuses and illegalities were simply around a corner here and a corner there, but time and again Horowitz his behind his specific mandate and scope.

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Horowitz's job is oversight, not prosecution, judge and executioner. He can provide a road map but not the final destination.

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What about Huber and his team of outside prosecutors? Not much of a peep of them. Of course, Inspector General Horowitz keeps a pretty low profile and is quiet as well. I guess we will see if Huber emerges or not, eh?

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Whitaker confirmed in testimony Huber is investigating FBI and FISA abuse

Carter Page received two death-threat phone calls that were suspiciously timed to specific dates when James Wolf provided Page's contact info to reporters Ali Watkins & Marianna Sotomayor. These originated from 918 area code numbers (possibly burner phones IMO) and were recorded in his voice mail. Page sent the above letter to Senator Burr of the SSCI. Page knows he was under a FISA when these calls occurred, so he knows they can be traced. Page sent the letter secondary to one of his court filings; Page's business was incorporated in Oklahoma in 2013, & area code 918 covers part of Tulsa.

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John Solomon just said on Hannity that House Repubs are preparing to make criminal referrals on 9 individuals. Sara Carter said when all is done there "should be" 12-20 people charged criminally involving the Russia Collusion Hoax/FISA abuse.

I'm not holding my breath that any of these clowns will see the inside of a cell, but someone has to be made an example of. It's sickening that the majority of people have no clue what happened.

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If so, likely only 'process crimes' ... false statements, etc. ... or maybe obstruction of justice. But doubtful any of these "conspirators" can be legally charged with treason, seditious conspiracy, etc. because "by force" is a required legal qualifier.

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I posted in the McCabe thread that according to McCabe, he and Rosy were going to brief the Gang of Eight about the new investigations into Trump after Comey's firing. However, Devin Nunes was present, so they decided not to reveal it.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/mccabe-rosenstein-wanted-nunes-barred-from-meetings-with-congressional-leaders

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sounds political for some reason

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John Solomon just said on Hannity that House Repubs are preparing to make criminal referrals on 9 individuals. Sara Carter said when all is done there "should be" 12-20 people charged criminally involving the Russia Collusion Hoax/FISA abuse.

I'm not holding my breath that any of these clowns will see the inside of a cell, but someone has to be made an example of. It's sickening that the majority of people have no clue what happened.

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If so, likely only 'process crimes' ... false statements, etc. ... or maybe obstruction of justice. But doubtful any of these "conspirators" can be legally charged with treason, seditious conspiracy, etc. because "by force" is a required legal qualifier.

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Treason, no, given the definition of treason in the Constitution.

Sedition would be the biggest charge, but won't happen.

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John Solomon just said on Hannity that House Repubs are preparing to make criminal referrals on 9 individuals. Sara Carter said when all is done there "should be" 12-20 people charged criminally involving the Russia Collusion Hoax/FISA abuse.

I'm not holding my breath that any of these clowns will see the inside of a cell, but someone has to be made an example of. It's sickening that the majority of people have no clue what happened.

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Rachel Madcow will be like the Duke brothers at the end of Trading Places

Damn that was perfect. No matter what happens, there is a large portion of these media leftists that will stay convinced that they have been on the right side of things the whole time.

It wouldn't surprise me.

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Horowitz won't do anything outside his established scope. That was clear in his last report and testimony. Anyone that thinks he will go where the investigation leads him wasn't paying attention last time. Obvious abuses and illegalities were simply around a corner here and a corner there, but time and again Horowitz his behind his specific mandate and scope.

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Horowitz's job is oversight, not prosecution, judge and executioner. He can provide a road map but not the final destination.

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What about Huber and his team of outside prosecutors? Not much of a peep of them. Of course, Inspector General Horowitz keeps a pretty low profile and is quiet as well. I guess we will see if Huber emerges or not, eh?

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While Mueller is still active, both Huber and Horowitz are kind of restrained to stay in their own lanes, so to speak, so as to not impede his investigation. Not that I agree with that approach but Huber for works for DOJ as does Mueller but Mueller is higher in the pecking order and is given deference. Mueller gets the first shot at any anyone falling under his broad scope of authority to investigate.

So Barr's formal confirmation may have seriously accelerated turning the screws on Mueller to either put up, shut up, or just plain shut the whole thing down?

Looks like it. Stop wasting taxpayers money going after process crimes!

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So Barr's formal confirmation may have seriously accelerated turning the screws on Mueller to either put up, shut up, or just plain shut the whole thing down?

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I wouldn't exactly put it that way. I think Mueller was well aware that Rosenstein would never assert his supervisory powers over anything or anybody that Mueller chose to target but that Barr would.

Thus Mueller is so far attenuated at this point from his core mission, he's out of show-me-the-person-and-I'll-find-crime potential targets and that Barr would be unlikely to approve any more.

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So Barr's formal confirmation may have seriously accelerated turning the screws on Mueller to either put up, shut up, or just plain shut the whole thing down?

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I think so too.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/02/21/bruce-ohr-glenn-simpson-millian/

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• Bruce Ohr testified Glenn Simpson and Christopher Steele expressed concerns about the safety of a major source for the anti-Trump dossier.
• Ohr told lawmakers Aug. 28, 2018, Simpson told him during a conversation on Inauguration Day the source was about to be identified in the media. Four days later, news outlets reported Sergei Millian was believed to be "Source D" and "Source E" in Steele's report.
• Simpson reportedly tipped off ABC News reporter Brian Ross to Millian in July 2016.

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Interesting read about Sergei Millian who was the alleged source of the Golden Showers Story for Steele's dossier, the article based upon Bruce Ohr's transcripts.

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So Barr's formal confirmation may have seriously accelerated turning the screws on Mueller to either put up, shut up, or just plain shut the whole thing down?

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Of note from the stone hearing today is that the attorney crossing examining stone was from the US attorney s office and not the special counsel.

Maybe they have transferred that prosecution in anticipating of shutting the SCO down.

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I wouldn't be surprised if that was in the works, if not a fait accompli.

https://www.axios.com/michael-cohen-bank-records-irs-leak-michael-avenatti-6a43b43d-50c2-4b17-aef4-e6e59a47bb48.html

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...Why it matters: Avenatti posted a report on Twitter last May detailing payments that various firms made to a shell company Cohen set up called Essential Consultants -- the same company Cohen used to pay off Daniels -- for "insights into understanding the new administration." The companies included AT&T, Novartis and Columbus Nova, a U.S. investment firm with ties to Russian oligarch Viktor Vekselberg....

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The complaint is embedded in the article, & I am unable to link it or copy parts of it. Interesting reading about Cohen's SARs in the complaint...big time money transfers in the 6 figures, totaling into seven figures.

Vekselberg, who has been interviewed by Team Mueller, is a business associate of Deripaska.

There's dirty pool playing been going on somewhere, & I can see why Mueller is/was involved.

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So Barr's formal confirmation may have seriously accelerated turning the screws on Mueller to either put up, shut up, or just plain shut the whole thing down?

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I wouldn't exactly put it that way. I think Mueller was well aware that Rosenstein would never assert his supervisory powers over anything or anybody that Mueller chose to target but that Barr would.

Thus Mueller is so far attenuated at this point from his core mission, he's out of show-me-the-person-and-I'll-find-crime potential targets and that Barr would be unlikely to approve any more.

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A friend of mine mentioned the same theory, but I thought it conflicts with Barr's testimony.

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I have known Bob Mueller for 30 years. We worked closely together throughout my previous tenure at the Department of Justice under President Bush. We've been friends since. And I have the utmost respect for Bob and his distinguished record of public service. And when he was named special counsel, I said his selection was 'good news' and that, knowing him, I had confidence he would handle the matter properly. And I still have that confidence today.

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To me, Barr comes off as more of a Mueller ally. Maybe it was a show.

I'm not saying it was a show, but there is no way he could say anything different. If he shows any doubt at all in Mueller, he doesn't get through confirmation

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To me, Barr comes off as more of a Mueller ally. Maybe it was a show.

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You are reading way more than into that testimony than it warrants. I read it thusly, "As I sit here today I am not prejudging anything about the Mueller investigation to date. I look forward to working closely with Bob Mueller," meaning he was going to be hands-on much more than Rosenstein ever was.

Remember, Mueller was Rosenstein's boss back in the day and that shaped their relationship even if the roles were reversed. Rosenstein is pretty weaselly. Can easily see Mueller just steam rolling him.

Barr is a horse of a different color.

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To me, Barr comes off as more of a Mueller ally. Maybe it was a show.

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You are reading way more than into that testimony than it warrants. I read it thusly, "As I sit here today I am not prejudging anything about the Mueller investigation to date. I look forward to working closely with Bob Mueller," meaning he was going to be hands-on much more than Rosenstein ever was.

Remember, Mueller was Rosenstein's boss back in the day and that shaped their relationship even if the roles were reversed. Rosenstein is pretty weaselly. Can easily see Mueller just steam rolling him.

Barr is a horse of a different color.

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Maybe, but he could have described their relationship in a much less cozy fashion.

they worked closely together.
I have the utmost respect for Bob
I said his selection was 'good news' and that, knowing him, I had confidence... And I still have that confidence today.

I half way expected a line that said they are BFF bosom buddies.

How about "What do I think of Bob Mueller? Vote yes for my confirmation so you can find out."

Worked for Pelosi and Obamacare, right?

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https://www.axios.com/michael-cohen-bank-records-irs-leak-michael-avenatti-6a43b43d-50c2-4b17-aef4-e6e59a47bb48.html

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...Why it matters: Avenatti posted a report on Twitter last May detailing payments that various firms made to a shell company Cohen set up called Essential Consultants -- the same company Cohen used to pay off Daniels -- for "insights into understanding the new administration." The companies included AT&T, Novartis and Columbus Nova, a U.S. investment firm with ties to Russian oligarch Viktor Vekselberg....

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The complaint is embedded in the article, & I am unable to link it or copy parts of it. Interesting reading about Cohen's SARs in the complaint...big time money transfers in the 6 figures, totaling into seven figures.

Vekselberg, who has been interviewed by Team Mueller, is a business associate of Deripaska.

There's dirty pool playing been going on somewhere, & I can see why Mueller is/was involved.

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WOW. And people are still even on this site arguing that the IRS isn't full of left wing fanboys willing to do anything for party before country.

What really gives me pause in this case is that the defendant worked for the IRS Criminal Investigation Division and was leaking this type of information and working with members of the press to get the story he wanted told.

He's in a world of hurt.