But this was letter to be presented to the court, not some secret instruction letter.

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But this was letter to be presented to the court, not some secret instruction letter.

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Spooks on high alert have habitual behavior when operating on autopilot. Things are coming to a head. That hand written letter has no more value if he had hired a professional calligrapher to write it out for him on hand tanned parchment made from Red Stag, with a hand carved quill from an Eastern Canadian Grey.

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I overlooked this McCabe actively discouraged Flynn from including counsel. McCabe told Flynn that he'd have to include the DOJ if Flynn chose to seek counsel. Also notice the footnote. This comes from a memo McCabe himself wrote on Jan 24, 2017 the date of the interview

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I overlooked this McCabe actively discouraged Flynn from including counsel. McCabe told Flynn that he'd have to include the DOJ if Flynn chose to seek counsel. Also notice the footnote. This comes from a memo McCabe himself wrote on Jan 24, 2017 the date of the interview

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Look at the date of the 302 quoted in Flynn's Sentencing Memorandum: August 22, 2017.
The interview, as you list, was on January 24, 2017.
7 months later. The 302 was obviously edited. This needs to be correlated with the S-P texts. Here's your tweet about the latter:

Original Flynn 302 = February 14, 2017.

EDITED!

(I suspect this is intentional on Flynn's part...highlighting the date of the 302 in his Sentencing Memo.)

Interesting footnote on Wolfe

https://dailycaller.com/2018/12/11/strobe-talbott-steele-dossier-clinton/

A new interesting development. Now one wonders if Shearer was sharing info with Steele in return, perhaps months before the Winer handoff. In other words, could Shearer, via his brother-in-law Talbott, have been feeding info to Steele to incorporate into Steele's Dossier? In short, could Shearer have been one of Steele's alleged 'Russian' sources? The hole just keeps becoming deeper.

https://amgreatness.com/2018/12/11/james-and-the-giant-impeachment/

Unbelievable! Comey's memory suddenly restored for a MSNBC interview, where Comey was brimming with facts & gloating over the Flynn interview that was set up on January 24, 2017...where Flynn lied.
However, it appears Comey is oblivious to the fact that Flynn lied intentionally at that interview. Flynn threw out a baited hook, & Comey's crew took it and ran...unmasking & leaking & manipulating...evoking a response which led to the exposure of the nefarious plot to undermine the Trump Presidency know as SpyGate.

Is the destruction of the original documents not effectively destruction of evidence and if government records which are subject to retention policies?

So was this a conspiracy to cover up a crime in addition to committing other crimes?

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Is the destruction of the original documents not effectively destruction of evidence and if government records which are subject to retention policies?

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Yes. If Flynn had gone to trial on this the wilfull destruction of evidence and falsification of the evidence by the freakin' FBI would have torpedoed the prosecution's case, in my view.

I'm no fan of the outcome of the Church Committee but damn! Just too much abuse of our justice system by our FBI, not to mention their FISA abuse.

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I don't buy into the idea that Flynn did this on purpose.

But that being said, Comey openly expressing his participation in an ambush of Flynn is flabbergasting to me.Violations of FBI rules and procedures, in concert with McCabe and there is no bias on their part?

And Comey gets to walk? Disgusting!

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A master spook who didn't know that his telephone conversations with the Russian ambassador were being monitored? The latter had been even leaked to the Washington Post which (David Ignatius) reported on January 12, 2017 (12 days prior to the FBI's interview with Flynn) that Flynn had been having telecoms with Kislyak:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-did-obama-dawdle-on-russias-hacking/2017/01/12/75f878a0-d90c-11e6-9a36-1d296534b31e_story.html?utm_term=.9d480f13cf02

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According to a senior U.S. government official, Flynn phoned Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak several times on Dec. 29, the day the Obama administration announced the expulsion of 35 Russian officials as well as other measures in retaliation for the hacking. What did Flynn say, and did it undercut the U.S. sanctions? The Logan Act (though never enforced) bars U.S. citizens from correspondence intending to influence a foreign government about "disputes" with the United States. Was its spirit violated? The Trump campaign didn't immediately respond to a request for comment....

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Why would Flynn lie about something that had even been leaked to the press? Something that he had done which was entirely legal and had been done at the request of the Transition Team?
IMO, it was a carefully orchestrated trap.

Interesting tidbits about Acting Attorney General Whitaker.

Is doing so a gap or failure in the law regarding the DOJ and FBI or were policies and laws being broken? If so, there needs to be more accountability for 302 records, or those that mishandle them.

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Is doing so a gap or failure in the law regarding the DOJ and FBI or were policies and laws being broken? If so, there needs to be more accountability for 302 records, or those that mishandle them.

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It defies logic to me that the FBI doesn't record interviews and later transcribes them in the first place. Seems like sloppy law enforcement to me and makes me wonder how DOJ gets as many convictions as they do.

In terms of breaking laws, it is more of an admissibility question. There is a hearsay issue as well as a credibility issue. There are exceptions for records kept in the ordinary course of business but those generally have to be done near to the event in question, not 8 months later without a stated reliance on previous contemporaneous notes.

We haven't focused much on the Ukraine in this thread, but early in SpyGate, there was coordination between the Ukraine, Alexandra Chalupa, the DNC, The US State Department, Steele, etc. on exposing Manafort's Ukrainian shenanigans in an effort to discredit Trump. That's part of the reason Manafort figured prominently early on in the Dossier. If you want to learn more in detail about this, read Jeff Carlson's detailed account (a masterpiece):

https://themarketswork.com/2018/03/09/victoria-nuland-alexandra-chalupa-ukrainian-ties-the-steele-dossier/

The FBI has relied on its reputation and credibility for decades. Now that it's leadership has sullied that, and now that we learn it plays as loose with evidence and custody and procedure as the rest of DOJ, does tat reputation take a hit in the eyes of the courts and of juries?

We know regular police are given more scrutiny these days. I suspect FBI obtained evidence and testimony would now, also. Just a sliver less trust and more reasonable doubt provided the defense lawyers can find a way to bring it to mind without agitating the judge.

https://saraacarter.com/clinton-whistleblowers-thursdays-public-hearing-to-reveal-explosive-information/

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A trove of documents on the Clinton Foundation alleging possible pay for play and tax evasion have been turned over to the FBI and IRS by several investigative whistleblowers, who will be testifying in an open hearing before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Thursday, according to the committee and lawmakers.

Roughly 6,000 documents that are expected to reveal the nearly two year investigation by the whistleblowers with a private firm called MDA Analytics LLC, which allegedly turned over the documents more than a year and half ago to the IRS, according to John Solomon, who first published the report last week in The Hill.

The whistleblowers are former federal criminal investigators, who allege that the Clinton Foundation was "engaged in illegal activities and may be liable for millions of dollars in delinquent taxes and penalties," according to Solomon.

The Department of Justice and the FBI's Little Rock, Ark. field office, which is believed to be investigating the foundation, have allegedly obtained the documentation from the whistleblowers as well, according to lawmakers who've spoken with the whistleblowers.

However, a former whistleblower, who has spoke with agents from the Little Rock FBI field office last year and worked for years as an undercover informant collecting information on Russia's nuclear energy industry for the bureau, noted his enormous frustration with the DOJ and FBI. He describes as a two-tiered justice system that failed to actively investigate the information he provided years ago on the Clinton Foundation and Russia's dangerous meddling with the U.S. nuclear industry and energy industry during the Obama administration.

William D. Campbell's story was first published by this reporter in 2017. He turned over more than 5,000 documents and detailed daily briefs to the bureau when he served as a confidential informant reporting on Russia's nuclear giant Rosatom. Campbell worked as an energy consultant, gaining the trust of Russians and providing significant insight into Russia's strategic plans to gain global dominance in the uranium industry. He reported on Russian's intentions to build a closer relationship with Obama administration officials, to include then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, as reported. The documents he turned over to the DOJ, which were reviewed by this news site, showed Campbell had also provided highly sensitive information both related to the uranium case, as well as other intelligence matters, since 2006.

Special Counsel Robert Mueller was the director of the FBI at the time Campbell was a confidential informant and according to Campbell the information was briefed to Mueller by his FBI handlers.

"(Mueller) received the documents, copies of which I still have, over a period of years and ignored a national security threat to the United States because of his political preference," said Campbell, who said he is frustrated that the investigation into the Clinton Foundation and the other information he provided was apparently ignored years ago.

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What do you think he was doing dragging this investigation out? Partly to run interference for attempts to suppress Obama era DOJ and state dept Malfeasance. He was well aware of political favoritism and "bending" of rules, policy, and law that went on, given his role in some of it and the roles of his peers and successor. He believed, and probably still believed he had some sort of higher moral imperative, as do most ideologues.

Feinstein's dementia has to be off the charts, did she not get the fact that the Guardian Story was 100% fiction?

Hmmmm maybe someone smells a rat

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https://amgreatness.com/2018/12/11/james-and-the-giant-impeachment/

Unbelievable! Comey's memory suddenly restored for a MSNBC interview, where Comey was brimming with facts & gloating over the Flynn interview that was set up on January 24, 2017...where Flynn lied.
However, it appears Comey is oblivious to the fact that Flynn lied intentionally at that interview. Flynn threw out a baited hook, & Comey's crew took it and ran...unmasking & leaking & manipulating...evoking a response which led to the exposure of the nefarious plot to undermine the Trump Presidency know as SpyGate.

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Bypassing White House protocol is typical Coney. Don't forget about his Ashcroft hospital scene then he testified to Congress on the surveillance rules he was railing against. OBTW as a DAG and acting AG he was supposed to coordinate all appearances on the Hill with the White House. He didn't and made a surprise appearance. The people on the Hill that helped him were Preet Bharara and Chuck Schumer.

aggiehawg said:

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I don't buy into the idea that Flynn did this on purpose.

But that being said, Comey openly expressing his participation in an ambush of Flynn is flabbergasting to me.Violations of FBI rules and procedures, in concert with McCabe and there is no bias on their part?

And Comey gets to walk? Disgusting!

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Why not

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I don't buy into the idea that Flynn did this on purpose.

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Why not

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Because doing so purposefully would put your home, family, employment, and reputation at serious risk.

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I don't buy into the idea that Flynn did this on purpose.

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Why not

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Because doing so purposefully would put your home, family, employment, and reputation at serious risk.

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Yeah. Way too risky for Flynn to voluntarily give up a National Security Advisor job for a sting operation that the FBI wasn't directing.

They were directing it but against Flynn, not using him to get someone else.

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Hmmmm maybe someone smells a rat

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Well, Flynn's Memo made it rather obvious that the dates didn't correlate.
I wonder how difficult it would be to hide the evidence that the 302s had been edited?

Back on June 7th of our thread, the following tweet was posted by Roscoe:

In reference to this June 7th tweet, I posted the following concerning editing or falsification of Flynn's 302s; it still applies:

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Well, the big question becomes: What did Mueller know, and when did he know it? If he knew prior to the Flynn guilty plea, I assume he (& anyone else on his team who knew) would be subject to disbarment for a horrific ethics violation. If Mueller didn't know until after the guilty plea & prior to Judge Sullivan's demand for exculpatory evidence, then I guess he gets off with a blemish. Neither Mueller nor Weissmann signed Flynn's guilty plea document; Van Grack & Ahmad did.

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(Edit: Sorry for confusion. Something wrong with Twitter posting via my computer.)

"By December 14th" --- very interesting. Finally some sign that they understand any accountability seeking must be before New Year's.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/12/flynns-fate-4.php

Good read at the Powerline Blog on Flynn. Expounds upon Techno_Fog's posts.

Any clue why Huber is a no show today