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When I heard Page was suing, I naturally assumed he had counsel doing it on his behalf. He's no Ty Clevenger who is actually a lawyer thus Page's campaign here, no matter how justified, is not gonna fly far.

Jurisdictional issues mostly because of the lack of naming his Oklahoma corporate entity as a Plaintiff, which he cannot do since he's not a lawyer. (Corporations can't file pro se.) Since he refuses to name a domicile within Oklahoma he hasn't established the diversity of citizenship and his federal question jurisdiction is dicey as well. He'll never get past a RICO hearing without learned counsel.

Have to give a little bit of credit for creativity though. I would never have thought of crafting a trade secret and economic espionage claim out of a FISA warrant. LOL.

Perkins, Coie should be able to swat this complaint away pretty quickly. Unless he gets counsel and very quickly files an amended complaint. Better yet, withdraw that complaint and have counsel file suit in DC, if Page won't claim a domicile.

Sidenote: Always thought Page was an odd duck of a guy.

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I'm not a lawyer, but my guess that said swatting will get a lot of coverage. cnn and what not will make the swatting front page, when the original suit would get zero coverage.

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Just to be clear, this particular complaint against these particular defendants, at this time is what I feel is an overreach (unless there is some state Statute of Limitations that this filing was trying to beat.) Also think had he named his companies as Plaintiffs suffering damages (requiring him to have licensed counsel) this suit would have a better chance. Also he should have named Fusion, Simpson, Nellie Ohr, Bruce Ohr and Chris Steele as additional defendants. Maybe McCabe, Strzok and Lisa Page, too but they are under criminal investigation and would likely get the case stayed since they would have to take the 5th during discovery*.

I still believe Page has a viable 1983 action against the federal government for violation of his civil rights. Carter Page was royally screwed over by multiple parties as collateral damage to try to get to Trump.

*Which might not have been a bad thing to happen if this was filed to beat some state Statute of Limitations. The case would have been timely filed removing that issue as an Affirmative Defense. Doesn't matter how many years after that the case resumes.

Speculative question: is it possible Page has help from some attorney that just doesn't want to risk having his/her name attached to one of Trump's "guilty associates?"

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Speculative question: is it possible Page has help from some attorney that just doesn't want to risk having his/her name attached to one of Trump's "guilty associates?"

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Sorry, but had to laugh. lololololol

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/senior-fincen-employee-arrested-and-charged-unlawfully-disclosing-sars

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Geoffrey S. Berman, the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, William F. Sweeney Jr., Assistant Director-in-Charge of the New York Division of the Federal Bureau of Investigation ("FBI"), and Eric M. Thorson, Inspector General for the Department of Treasury, announced today the filing of a criminal complaint charging NATALIE MAYFLOWER SOURS EDWARDS, a/k/a "Natalie Sours," a/k/a "Natalie May Edwards," a/k/a "May Edwards," who is a Senior Advisor at the Treasury Department's Financial Crimes Enforcement Network ("FinCEN"), with unlawfully disclosing Suspicious Activity Reports ("SARs") and conspiracy to do the same. EDWARDS was arrested yesterday and will be presented this afternoon in the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia....

Beginning in approximately October 2017, and lasting until the present, EDWARDS unlawfully disclosed numerous SARs to a reporter ("Reporter-1"), the substance of which were published over the course of approximately 12 articles by a news organization for which Reporter-1 wrote ("News Organization-1"). The illegally disclosed SARs pertained to, among other things, Paul Manafort, Richard Gates, the Russian Embassy, Mariia Butina, and Prevezon Alexander. EDWARDS had access to each of the pertinent SARs and saved them along with thousands of other files containing sensitive government information to a flash drive provided to her by FinCEN. She transmitted the SARs to Reporter-1 by means that included taking photographs of them and texting the photographs to Reporter-1 over an encrypted application. In addition to disseminating SARs to Reporter-1, EDWARDS sent Reporter-1 internal FinCEN emails appearing to relate to SARs or other information protected by the BSA, and FinCEN non-public memoranda, including Investigative Memos and Intelligence Assessments published by the FinCEN Intelligence Division, which contained confidential personal, business, and/or security threat assessments....

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Another leaker taken down. Likely part of Spygate. More details in the link.

Wonder if she was boning the reporter, like that other leaker

redline248 said:

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Speculative question: is it possible Page has help from some attorney that just doesn't want to risk having his/her name attached to one of Trump's "guilty associates?"

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Guilty of what? He's never even been charged with anything. According to him, he's never even been talked to by Team Mueller.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/press-release/file/1101511/download

Above is a link to the complaint for the new leaker.

vii. GOP Operative Made "Suspicious" Cash Withdrawals During Pursuit Of Clinton Emails
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/jasonleopold/peter-w-smith-hillary-clinton-emails-trump-flynn-money
By Jason Leopold and Anthony Cormier

viii. Russian "Agent" And A GOP Operator Left A Trail Of Cash, Documents Reveal
Link: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/jasonleopold/maria-butina-paul-erickson-suspicious-bank-money-russia
By Jason Leopold and Anthony Cormier

ix. Here's Why The FBI And Mueller Are Investigating "Suspicious" Transactions By Russian Diplomats
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/jasonleopold/suspicious-payments-kislyak-russia-embassy-mueller
By Jason Leopold and Anthony Cormier


So obviously the leaks were to Buzzfeed and the 2 reporters above. Surprise...Buzzfeed.

All of the dates to the article you posted line up with the dates on page 5 of the court filing.

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redline248 said:

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Speculative question: is it possible Page has help from some attorney that just doesn't want to risk having his/her name attached to one of Trump's "guilty associates?"

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Guilty of what? He's never even been charged with anything. According to him, he's never even been talked to by Team Mueller.

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Reason I'm still laughing.

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So holy crap. Look at page 13 of the complaint. Her boss was apparently in on it and so was another employee.

This is what you get with leftist legacy whackos clogging up the entire federal bureaucracy. She even told the agents that she thinks she is a whistle blower.

Other interesting tidbit is that the Buzzfeed reporter was texting back and forth with her telling her what to search for. I think that raises the level of culpability to more than just reporting illegally leaked materials.

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...with unlawfully disclosing Suspicious Activity Reports ("SARs") and conspiracy to do the same....

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drcrinum said:

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...with unlawfully disclosing Suspicious Activity Reports ("SARs") and conspiracy to do the same....

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Guys, pay attention to the quotations

It's starting to make the news.

drcrinum said:

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It's starting to make the news.

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Likely where Avenatti got his hands on that SARs on Cohen. I'm sure this is just a start

RoscoePColtrane said:

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drcrinum said:

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It's starting to make the news.

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Likely where Avenatti got his hands on that SARs on Cohen. I'm sure this is just a start

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That was my first thought when I saw this. What kind of legal jeopardy does he have? They did charge the leaker with conspiracy.

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drcrinum said:

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It's starting to make the news.

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Likely where Avenatti got his hands on that SARs on Cohen. I'm sure this is just a start

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That was my first thought when I saw this. What kind of legal jeopardy does he have? They did charge the leaker with conspiracy.

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Not only that but didn't it turn out to be the wrong Michael Cohen as well?

RoscoePColtrane said:

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drcrinum said:

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It's starting to make the news.

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Likely where Avenatti got his hands on that SARs on Cohen. I'm sure this is just a start

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I thought Roger stone was one of the guys who was at the center of the "collusion"? I would assume stone would've been one of the first things Mueller asked Manafort.

This guy Thomas Ott also worked RICO with Weissman (of SSCI) at DOJ.

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RoscoePColtrane said:

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Likely where Avenatti got his hands on that SARs on Cohen. I'm sure this is just a start

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https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1052634649145561089.html

Sundance thinks Natalie was the source of the Cohen leak to Avenatti -- read the thread. Also, Ronan Farrow interviewed Natalie in May 2018 for an article, & then Farrow teams with Avenatti during the Kavanaugh hearings. Sounds like a common spider web to me. I wonder who the Queen Spider is?

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Sean Davis: Treasury's FinCEN refuses to disclose which division its alleged leaker works in, or which of the agency's six associate directors (AD) has been pegged by DOJ/FBI as one of her co-conspirators. One of FinCEN's ADs, Thomas Ott, worked for Fusion GPS collaborator Bruce Ohr at DOJ.

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Maybe not even connected ... but good grief ... everyone in DC seems to be connected somewhere or somehow to someone. What an incestuous rat's nest.

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RoscoePColtrane said:

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Sean Davis: Treasury's FinCEN refuses to disclose which division its alleged leaker works in, or which of the agency's six associate directors (AD) has been pegged by DOJ/FBI as one of her co-conspirators. One of FinCEN's ADs, Thomas Ott, worked for Fusion GPS collaborator Bruce Ohr at DOJ.

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Maybe not even connected ... but good grief ... everyone in DC seems to be connected somewhere or somehow to someone. What an incestuous rat's nest.

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Yup.

Link to Avenatti. Natalie is going to jail I think.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1052694749814108160.html

Interesting thread about Natalie the Leaker and Jason Leopold of Buzzfeed fame.

It may end up being nothing in the long run, but the exchange between this judge and DOJ Lawyers is pretty interesting.

Here's my question, aren't most immunity deals are Null & Void if Recipient commits perjury?

The transcript is a good read.

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U.S. District Court Judge Royce Lamberth said he was "shocked" and "dumbfounded" when he learned that FBI had granted immunity to former Clinton chief of staff Cheryl Mills during its investigation into the use of Clinton's server, according to a court transcript of his remarks.

"I had myself found that Cheryl Mills had committed perjury and lied under oath in a published opinion I had issued in a Judicial Watch case where I found her unworthy of belief, and I was quite shocked to find out she had been given immunity in by the Justice Department in the Hillary Clinton email case," Lamberth said during Friday's hearing.

The Department of Justice's Inspector General (IG), Michael Horowitz, noted in a bombshell report in June that it was "inconsistent with typical investigative strategy" for the FBI to allow Mills to sit in during the agency's interview of Clinton during the email probe, given that classified information traveled through Mills' personal email account. "There are serious potential ramifications when one witness attends another witness' interview," the IG wrote.

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Judicial Watch initially sued the State Department in 2014, seeking information about the response to the Benghazi attack after the government didn't respond to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request. Other parallel lawsuits by Judicial Watch are probing issues like Clinton's server, whose existence was revealed during the course of the litigation.

The State Department had immediately moved to dismiss Judicial Watch's first lawsuit on a motion for summary judgment, saying in an affidavit that it had conducted a search of all potentially relevant emails in its possession and provided them. The affidavit noted that some more documents and emails could be forthcoming.

But Lamberth denied the request to dismiss the lawsuit at the time -- and on Friday, he said he was happy he did, charging that State Department officials had intentionally misled him because other key documents, including those on Clinton's email server, had not in fact been produced.

"It was clear to me that at the time that I ruled initially, that false statements were made to me by career State Department officials, and it became more clear through discovery that the information that I was provided was clearly false regarding the adequacy of the search and this what we now know turned out to be the Secretary's email system," Lamberth said Friday.

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"I don't know the details of what kind of IG inquiry there was into why these career officials at the State Department would have filed false affidavits with me. I don't know the details of why the Justice Department lawyers did not know false affidavits were being filed with me, but I was very relieved that I did not accept them and that I allowed limited discovery into what had happened." Lamberth said

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During a tense exchange with Justice Department lawyer Robert Prince, Lamberth pressed the issue, accusing Prince of using "doublespeak" and "playing the same word games [Clinton] played."
That "was not true," the judge said, referring to the State Department's assurances in a sworn declaration that it had searched all relevant documents. "It was a lie."

But Prince pushed back sharply, saying he took the judge's accusations "extremely seriously."
"It might be that our search could be found to be inadequate, but that declaration was absolutely true," he said.

"Now, it's been made clear in rulings by various courts that, basically, the courts are going to expect us to search items that come in afterward in this instance, and that's understandable, but at the time, that was not at all clear, you know?" Prince continued. "I understand if Your Honor thinks that the searches that were done up to the motion for summary judgment were inadequate, but being wrong about the search being adequate does not make it a false affidavit."

Lamberth ultimately conceded that he had "misremembered" some details on the issue.

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/state-department-provided-clearly-false-statements-to-derail-hillary-clinton-doc-requests-federal-judge-says

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this picture looks like they are filming a bad porn with actors playing George Bush & Sarah Palin.

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Holy Shiit you're right!!!!

I posted the above tweet for one reason: read all the comments, a complicated serious discussion ensues by people who follow Spygate far more closely than I have.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1052811992052854786.html


Interesting thread on Manafort & SARS.

I'm glad you put the comment about "follow Spygate far more than me" in there.

As usual, I always feel like we're the only folks who pay attention to this, when I know there are others, "professional" others! It's just nice to know that every time Trump says the equivalent of "Horseface", that a massive investigation, with staggering implications, isn't forgotten.

One thing Rex is ignoring here is the very real probability that Manafort had multiple Title I FISA warrants on him. I would imagine that since the the Feds can access everything including the diameter of one's sphincter that SARs were similarly accessible. They are confidential not classified Top Secret.

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https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1052694749814108160.html

Interesting thread about Natalie the Leaker and Jason Leopold of Buzzfeed fame.

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Holy crap. How are USB ports enabled on any computer with access to info like that?