coyote68 said:

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Do you believe Greg Rubini to be credible?

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If you go to his Twitter, he is definitely pro-Trump, retweets Trump & promotes Hannity. Only thing: he thinks Rosenstein is a white hat:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1041280557844504577.html

It would take a miraculous conversion for me to ever believe that Rosenstein is a white hat. Same for Mueller.

coyote68 said:

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November elections are close. The leftists are going to have to defend all the lies. Some of them will get their chance in a court of law.

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I can't imagine Republicans having a poor turnout.

coyote68 said:

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???

Not planning on watching, but Steele, his FBI and DOJ buddies all have said the dossier was a fabrication.

And hildog and McCain believed it???

In Russia it was called propaganda. Here it is called MSM news.

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Yes dossier accepted as fact in the movie. This movie is over the top crazy having all the players including Hillary, McCane, Podesta, with their own very special morals with facts they want to push.

Like IN YOU FACE lies, HAHA YUP just watch us feed the lemmings this movie.

This Active Measures propaganda piece is a joke. Found a free copy of the complete thing and it's a joke.

Most of it is a compilation of old news reels and photos with narration. Interviews with the cast members. Hillary is portrayed to be an expert on Russia. Not one mention of the Uranium One deal. Throughout the thing they throw in an occasional random picture of Trump or a random short video clip of him, with no context or audio from the actual clip, just narration of talking points.

The director is Jack Bryan 33 year old Trust Fund baby, son of John Shelby Bryan multi-millionaire, huge DNC/Clinton donor. Dad was on Bill Clinton's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board from 1999 to 2001. Idiots make a huge deal about Trump selling his Palm Beach estate to Russian businessman, Dmitry Rybolovlev.

They began filming on May 10, 2017, the day after Trump fired FBI director, James Comey. The kids previous experience before this was at Quest magazine as the writer of the society column, "The Young and The Guestlist". He also contributed to the New York Observer society column. But he is portrayed as some seasoned study on Putin and his olighards, and the Russian Mob.

They are promoting this crap as "the documentary that could take down Trump" It's a joke.

Guess who his main sources are? Michael Isikoff and Jonathan Winer! LOL. The cast of characters is the who's who in the anti-Trump bunch.

Cast

Jeremy Bash
Nina Burleigh
Alexandra Chalupa
Hillary Clinton
Heather Conley
John Dean
Oleg Deripaska
Richard Fontaine
Dan Fried
Steven Hall
Scott Horton
Toomas Hendrik Ilves
Michael Isikoff
Herb Lin
John Mattes
John McCain
Michael McFaul
Molly McKew
Evan McMullin
Steven Pifer
John Podesta
Alina Polyakova
Asha Rangappa
Mikhail Saakashvili
Eric Swalwell
Craig Unger
Clint Watts
Sheldon Whitehouse
Jonathan Winer
James Woosley

Respectfully, that is a 45 minute video. Can you at least include a couple sentence summary?

Tailgate88 said:

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Respectfully, that is a 45 minute video. Can you at least include a couple sentence summary?

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It's a legal discussion between three lawyers on the Special Counsel, Conflict of interests, sighting legal precedent and case law. FEC law and validity of the charges on Cohen. It's worth watching.

Thanks, I'll watch it later today.

Yikes. I guess Evan McMullin has no desire to be taken seriously in the future.

Hopefully the 700k people that wrote him in feel pretty stupid right now.

I don't mind people maintaining their Never Trump status based on legit reasons. But being apart of Active Measures should be very embarrassing for anyone that considers themselves conservative.

aggiehawg said:

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Take that subject up with Andy McCarthy. From the article:

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He did not need another trial and additional jail time to ratchet up pressure. So prosecutors dropped the money-laundering charges as well as allegations that Manafort made false statements and failed to register as a foreign agent of a Kremlin-connected Ukranian party; but Mueller still got Manafort to admit to the underlying conduct in those charges by having the defendant plead guilty to the special counsel's favorite device, the amorphous, elastic charge of "conspiracy against the United States."

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That doesn't make the claim anymore true. You're an attorney so you shouldn't need to solely rely on someone else's claim.

Manafort was charged with and pleaded to actual crimes and the information cited the statutory basis for the crime. Claiming "it isn't a real crime" is simply wrong.

The parties have filed documents saying Flynn finally is ready for sentencing

Anyone remember the recommendation?

HUGE development.

Alright here we go.

Well, Flynn story Not nearly as interesting given the post right above!

This needs it's own thread, but I'm not starting it because I didn't fine the info.

RoscoePColtrane said:

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It's happening!!!

aggiehawg said:

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Sorry, I'm a strict constructionist and that applies to statutory crimes as well as the Constitution. When a veteran federal prosecutor uses terms such as "amorphous" and "elastic" to a statute, that is a warning sign to me. (I sincerely hope you understand that basic Constitutional question. Tax evasion does not equal espionage nor terrorism.)

Nor am I impressed with the legal acumen of Team Mueller's Dream Team. The first Manafort indictment was an unholy mess. The Papadopoulus sentencing recommendation contained nonsensical and flat out deceptive statements. (They lied.) And the Cohen guilty plea (based on an information, not an indictment) didn't lay a glove on Trump with the way it was worded, despite what the MSM press breathlessly reported.

Guess we can agree to disagree on statutory construction as well as the efficacy of Team Mueller.

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I really don't see how there can be a disagreement on the statutory construction if you are a strict constructionist. The statute's text expressly makes it a crime to engage in a conspiracy to commit any offense against the US (18 USC 371), which is defined as "any criminal offense" which is in violation of an act of congress (18 USC 3156). A strict constructionist would read that for exactly what it is, i.e. a statutory crime to conspire to commit a federal crime.

For what it's worth, the information specifically lists the criminal offenses and statutes that are the bases for the conspiracy, such money laundering and tax fraud.

Now, you may argue the statute is unconstitutionally vague or overbroad if you'd like, but that is very different from your first argument that there was no statutory crime for conspiracy against the US. It is also a very different argument than claiming a strict constructionist's view to statutory interpretation. As noted above, the strict constructionist would say that the statute criminalizes conspiracy to commit a criminal offense.

I was not arguing in any way the efficacy of team Mueller. But since you wanted to bring that up, you need to acknowledge that your entire argument regarding the Cohen guilty plea was through the SDNY and not the SCO. And I fail to see how the point that it "didn't lay a glove a Trump . . . despite what the MSM press breathlessly reported" is any negative reflection on the SDNY (or SCO's for that matter).

Trump just ordered FISA docs to be declassified.

ATMTWS said:

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Trump just ordered FISA docs to be declassified.

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ATMTWS said:

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Trump just ordered FISA docs to be declassified.

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not just that. He's getting ALL the text messages from McCabe, Struzk, Page, Comey, etc.

Bandaid is getting ripped off HARD.

ATMTWS said:

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Trump just ordered FISA docs to be declassified.

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Did you not look at the thread before you posted? Sorry to be blunt, but there is a quite large picture of the actual request.

He just have libs a huge middle finger from his little hand

That looks like a lot more than just FISA docs. I suspect there are some people in DC that are more than just a little bit puckered right now.

No. Just read the first page. It didn't say reread every post of every thread.

ATMTWS said:

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No. Just read the first page. It didn't say reread every post of every thread.

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First page? Solid.

Edit: dang it, Techno beat me too it.

Oh it's like Christmas up in here. Some bad stuff is about to come out.

Rosenstein better have his desk packed up because he's not going to survive this.

Sorry. I changed it. You can post Ron Paul.

What do you wanna bet they don't do it?