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MouthBQ98 said:

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If the OIG ends up raising issues on the FISA warrants and an investigation is started on those, would Sessions have standing on that or would Rosenstein, who would then have to revise himself also?

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Sessions won't touch it, and Rosy will never recuse himself so it will be swept under the rug.

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Sessions is like the cowardly lion in the wizard of Oz.

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And still hiding from Al Franken.

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I'm of the opinion that someone on the Dem side has dirt on Sessions. Its derelict what he's allowed to continue to prosper under his watch.

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I like the theory that he is the "insurance policy" discussed in all of the text messages.

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If you want to see something disgusting, read the comments on this tweet. Another item to add to my list on why I will never, ever vote for a Dem again.

These types of Twitter and FB comments are a glimpse into Hell.

The sad thing is, the media would have us believe the entire country hates each other like this.

Sorry.... off topic.

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If you want to see something disgusting, read the comments on this tweet. Another item to add to my list on why I will never, ever vote for a Dem again.

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"Trying to steal thunder from McCain's funeral?" Whut?

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So Weissmann, Mueller's right hand man, knew about Ohr's contacts with Steele. No ethical problem, right?

Really no news today. I wish we had more news come out today, bored when we doing!

We had always assumed that Nellie Ohr commenced working with Fusion GPS after the latter was hired by Perkins Coie, circa April-May, 2016. Now it comes out that Nellie was hired by Fusion GPS in late 2015 to dig for dirt on Trump. Was she one of those private contractors who was performing 'unauthorized' 702 queries in 2015/early 2016 before Admiral Rogers shut off the faucet?

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We had always assumed that Nellie Ohr commenced working with Fusion GPS after the latter was hired by Perkins Coie, circa April-May, 2016. Now it comes out that Nellie was hired by Fusion GPS in late 2015 to dig for dirt on Trump. Was she one of those private contractors who was performing 'unauthorized' 702 queries in 2015/early 2016 before Admiral Rogers shut off the faucet?

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If so that is a real problem. When our Intelligence Agency is giving mining access to a bunch of dirt dobbers from an Oppo Research Firm, that's a really serious problem. Fusion GPS isn't even a Government Intel contractor. They shouldn't be within 1000ft of our NSA database. I have issues with any contractor having free reign, but if people understood that over half the government cloud space is owned and maintained by Amazon, reality would really set in. With the money we pour into intelligence, it makes zero sense for us not to own our entire storage system, both HD and Cloud.

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Really no news today. I wish we had more news come out today, bored when we doing!

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Well, Chuck Todd said tomorrow is the day that Mueller will drop the hammer on Trump.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/08/30/dots-connecting-quickly-bruce-ohr-worked-with-andrew-weissmann-while-nellie-ohr-worked-for-fusion-gps-in-2015/

Not a single Congressman on the investigative committees has ever picked up on the unlawful query activity that was going on in late 2015 and early 2016...they haven't connected the dots.

I'm 98% they won't, willfully.

I'm not getting the significance of it all.... assuming they all believed the intelligence was factual at the time.

IF the dossier was factual would these relationships matter? Help me out here.

Makes me wonder if anyone on Mueller's team was ever involved with NSA contractor data mining, or was aware it was going on?

They all knew is was uncorroborated trash. Makes me wonder about the quality of any other evidence produced.

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They all knew is was uncorroborated trash. Makes me wonder about the quality of any other evidence produced.

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I have been there for quite some time, my friend. Truly concerned how much of the Constitution has been trashed.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/08/31/oh-dear-more-devastating-leaks-from-bruce-ohr-testimony/

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...In another article containing information from Bruce Ohr's closed-door testimony we highlight two key points (emphasis mine):

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Kim Strassell [] Congressional sources tell me that Mr. Ohr revealed Tuesday that he verbally warned the FBI that its source had a credibility problem, alerting the bureau to Mr. Steele's leanings and motives. He also informed the bureau that Mrs. Ohr was working for Fusion and contributing to the dossier project.

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The admission that Nellie Ohr was contributing to the dossier is a really important specific point. We always suspected some of the dossier content was attributable to Mrs. Ohr, this confirms that suspicion....

Secondly, more information from Ms. Strassel:

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[] Congressional sources tell me that Mr. Ohr revealed Tuesday that he verbally warned the FBI that its source had a credibility problem Mr. Ohr said, moreover, that he delivered this information before the FBI's first application to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court for a warrant against Trump aide Carter Page, in October 2016. (link)

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This is key, because it further erodes the validity of the Carter Page FISA application. If Bruce Ohr was warning the FBI about the lack of credibility of the primary source behind the evidence provided to the FISA Court, then there is no doubt the Woods Procedures were not followed....

The FBI and DOJ failing to heed a warning on the content of the primary information, or to provide that warning to the FISA court, shows a direct intent to mislead the court by the FBI officials presenting the information to Main Justice for the FISA application. Who signed it?...

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Comey, Yates & redacted (Supervisory Special FBI Agent)

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https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/08/31/oh-dear-more-devastating-leaks-from-bruce-ohr-testimony/

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Kim Strassell [] Congressional sources tell me that Mr. Ohr revealed Tuesday that he verbally warned the FBI that its source had a credibility problem, alerting the bureau to Mr. Steele's leanings and motives. He also informed the bureau that Mrs. Ohr was working for Fusion and contributing to the dossier project.

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The admission that Nellie Ohr was contributing to the dossier is a really important specific point. We always suspected some of the dossier content was attributable to Mrs. Ohr, this confirms that suspicion....

Secondly, more information from Ms. Strassel:

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[] Congressional sources tell me that Mr. Ohr revealed Tuesday that he verbally warned the FBI that its source had a credibility problem Mr. Ohr said, moreover, that he delivered this information before the FBI's first application to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court for a warrant against Trump aide Carter Page, in October 2016. (link)

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This is key, because it further erodes the validity of the Carter Page FISA application. If Bruce Ohr was warning the FBI about the lack of credibility of the primary source behind the evidence provided to the FISA Court, then there is no doubt the Woods Procedures were not followed....

The FBI and DOJ failing to heed a warning on the content of the primary information, or to provide that warning to the FISA court, shows a direct intent to mislead the court by the FBI officials presenting the information to Main Justice for the FISA application. Who signed it?...

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That one is easy Peter Strzok

Here's four of the six Ohr named in his testimony of who he was "keeping in the loop" in 2016 well before the Mueller appointment

WEISSMAN being kept in the loop on this seems like a big problem for TEAM MUELLER

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WEISSMAN being kept in the loop on this seems like a big problem for TEAM MUELLER

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Not if the acting attorney general doesn't think so.

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I'm not getting the significance of it all.... assuming they all believed the intelligence was factual at the time.

IF the dossier was factual would these relationships matter? Help me out here.

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How could they think it was factual when their own director at the time (Comey) called it "salacious and unverified." Heck, one of their main charges was money laundering and they misspelled the name of the Russian Bank (Alpha instead of Alfa).

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I'm not getting the significance of it all.... assuming they all believed the intelligence was factual at the time.

IF the dossier was factual would these relationships matter? Help me out here.

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I'm hoping this is actual sarcasm


But if you present it in the FISC as the primary evidence to get a Title 1 surveillance on a civilian, you damn well better have verified it to be true and done the leg work. Circular reporting or media of any kind is worthless. It's the damn FBI not Mayberry RFD.

DoJ official has to be Yates. Priestap is the FBI agent?

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I'm not getting the significance of it all.... assuming they all believed the intelligence was factual at the time.

IF the dossier was factual would these relationships matter? Help me out here.

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I'm hoping this is actual sarcasm


But if you present it in the FISC as the primary evidence to get a Title 1 surveillance on a civilian, you damn well better have verified it to be true and done the leg work. Circular reporting or media of any kind is worthless. It's the damn FBI not Mayberry RFD.

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I see misleading the FISA with circular sources as different than the creation of the Dossier itself.

I am sincere, IF it was presumed Steele was a rock solid reliable source, why would it matter that Ohr knew about the dossier as it was being drafted?

I really am trying to view this from both sides and be as objective as possible.

1/2 the voters believe all these things about Trump are true, and so let's take a moment to follow the ethics of this investigation process using the assumption that the intelligence sources were reliable. If Ohr, his wife, Weissman et al believe Steel to be credible, would it matter if they talked about it before working together on an investigation? Im just not sure it would.

Now obviously the whole investigation itself being based on knowingly using falsified evidence is wrong. But I think it's a seperate issue. The working together isn't wrong in and of itself. Using falsified evidence is.

Yes, there is conflict of interest having all the guys who gathered the evidence that turned out to be wrong working this case. They aren't independent, they are biased. But that ship has sailed long ago, so really what is one more biased investigator? Not much. Doesn't change anything about the ethical premise of the investigation that 10/10 people have conflicts of interest as opposed to 9/10.

RoscoePColtrane said:

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I'm not getting the significance of it all.... assuming they all believed the intelligence was factual at the time.

IF the dossier was factual would these relationships matter? Help me out here.

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I'm hoping this is actual sarcasm


But if you present it in the FISC as the primary evidence to get a Title 1 surveillance on a civilian, you damn well better have verified it to be true and done the leg work. Circular reporting or media of any kind is worthless. It's the damn FBI not Mayberry RFD.

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I resent your assertion that Andy Taylor would ever allow his town to do something like this.

Of course Steele wasn't the source of the dossier, in the sense that he was merely collecting stories. He hadn't been to Moscow in 20 years or something like that. His credibility, even if it was assumed to be good, has nothing to do with the dossier's credibility.

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I'm not getting the significance of it all.... assuming they all believed the intelligence was factual at the time.

IF the dossier was factual would these relationships matter? Help me out here.

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I'm hoping this is actual sarcasm


But if you present it in the FISC as the primary evidence to get a Title 1 surveillance on a civilian, you damn well better have verified it to be true and done the leg work. Circular reporting or media of any kind is worthless. It's the damn FBI not Mayberry RFD.

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I see misleading the FISA with circular sources as different than the creation of the Dossier itself.

I am sincere, IF it was presumed Steele was a rock solid reliable source, why would it matter that Ohr knew about the dossier as it was being drafted?

I really am trying to view this from both sides and be as objective as possible.

1/2 the voters believe all these things about Trump are true, and so let's take a moment to follow the ethics of this investigation process using the assumption that the intelligence sources were reliable. If Ohr, his wife, Weissman et al believe Steel to be credible, would it matter if they talked about it before working together on an investigation? Im just not sure it would.

Now obviously the whole investigation itself being based on knowingly using falsified evidence is wrong. But I think it's a seperate issue. The working together isn't wrong in and of itself. Using falsified evidence is.

Yes, there is conflict of interest having all the guys who gathered the evidence that turned out to be wrong working this case. They aren't independent, they are biased. But that ship has sailed long ago, so really what is one more biased investigator? Not much. Doesn't change anything about the ethical premise of the investigation that 10/10 people have conflicts of interest as opposed to 9/10.

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You do realize Steele was the conduit for the circular sourcing. Or rather Fusion GPS was. Hard Evidence can't be based on some Limey's reputation. Steele hasn't set foot in Russia in 19 years. Was he once a MI6 operative, sure he was. But now he works for Fusion GPS, an opposition research, smear firm. The company has 11 employees. The dossier was garbage from the git go. It had been passed around the media for months and no one would touch it, it was so ridiculous. It's that simple. It not only was unverified when it was walked into the court, it's still unverified. Have you read the Dossier? It's garbage, nothing close to any kind on true intelligence. When both copies wound up at the FBI and they could verify one scrap of it, other then Carter Page is a human being and he has been to Russia on business to give speeches. The fact that it's still unverified garbage just makes the point even worse.

All the BS about conflicts, hateful text messages, and recusals are policy issue BS. That FISA warrant and those that presented it to the court, committed a felony, and anything down stream from it is fruit of the poison tree. The conspiracy to commit fraud on the FISC is a serious felony. And the cover up is also a felony.

Butt hurt liberals because Trump is a rude Yankee from Queens, that likes eastern european tail, is a personal problem. The economy and national security take a front seat to being politically correct and doing nothing but lining your pockets.

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Of course Steele wasn't the source of the dossier, in the sense that he was merely collecting stories. He hadn't been to Moscow in 20 years or something like that. His credibility, even if it was assumed to be good, has nothing to do with the dossier's credibility.

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Exactly. It is the credibility of Steele's sources that should have been examined. How many had first hand knowledge of what they were providing? Or were they merely repeating hearsay they heard from others? And did those others even have first hand knowledge? Or we they repeating hearsay too?

The mis-identification of Michael Cohen meeting with Russians in Prague, for instance. How did that happen? Who was the source for that?

Two down, 15 to go: LINK

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Prosecutors Ryan Dickey and Brian Richardson are no longer working for the office of special counsel Robert Mueller, the Justice Department confirmed.

Both lawyers were relatively junior but frequently spotted members of Mueller's corps. Both have worked on court cases that Mueller opened as part of his investigation into Russian interference and coordination with the Trump campaign in the 2016 presidential election.

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Carr said that neither Dickey nor Richardson left the office because of political allegations, the appearance of bias or any other wrongdoing.

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Richardson had been among Mueller's attorneys at Dutch lawyer Alex Van Der Zwaan's sentencing in April. Richardson had joined Mueller's office directly -- whereas some lawyers moved over on detail from other parts of the Justice Department -- after he finished a clerkship for Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer.

Van Der Zwaan pleaded guilty earlier this year to lying to investigators about his interactions with former Trump campaign leaders Rick Gates and Paul Manafort. Van Der Zwaan went to prison for about a month, then left the US.

Richardson recently became a research fellow at Columbia Law School, according to the law school's spokeswoman Nancy Goldfarb.

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Dickey will continue to work on criminal matters at the Justice Department. Though he worked out of Mueller's office last year, he was always employed by the Justice Department's criminal division, specializing in computer and intellectual property crimes.

He has not officially removed himself in court from the legal teams prosecuting three ongoing Mueller-initiated cases. The cases involving Dickey are the indictment of 12 Russian military agents for allegedly hacking Democrats during the election, 16 Russians and companies accused of operating a social media troll farm to influence American voters and the plea deal of a California-based online bank account auctioneer who admitted to identity fraud that helped the Russian social media trolls. That online auctioneer, Richard Pinedo, is scheduled to be sentenced on October 1.

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