RoscoePColtrane said:

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So this has to be a use immunity right?

Not understanding what Tony Podesta can provide in the EDVA that would require immunized testimony.

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Require? Who said anything about require?

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GCP12 said:

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Almost time for me to lose it as promised...

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Time for a second Special Counsel if that actually happens.

Mueller and Rosenstein are obstructing justice. Won't help Manafort much but prosecutorial discretion can only cover so many crimes. If Tony Podesta gets immunity, Mueller has crossed a fifteen yard wide red line.

This isn't Sammy the Bull Gravano unless he delivers Hillary.

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Exactly if he's not delivering something of substance, a use immunity is useless for Podesta. I just can't wrap my head around what could possibly garner this type of treatment. And if for some reason Podesta doesn't even testify, this is just a distraction.

Stuff like immunity for Podesta and the NYT regurgitating old info to keep everyone in a frenzy makes it hard to believe there is any hope for justice. How is it not obvious for the world to see what is happening right now?

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RoscoePColtrane said:

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So this has to be a use immunity right?

Not understanding what Tony Podesta can provide in the EDVA that would require immunized testimony.

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Require? Who said anything about require?

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What I mean by that, if indeed this is only use immunity, there is an assumption he has something to deliver to be immunized from. If they burn a use immunity deal that really doesn't produce anything, what exactly is Podesta providing in a Tax evasion case that he needs immunizing from in the EDVA case?

Might be a misdirection deal like a shiny object in the EDVA case that he really has nothing to offer there, and it carry over to the DC case for the FARA violations, but it's just a really really odd approach, and for what? Just to let Podesta off the hook? Hell just don't charge him and he disappear later like Awan or something. But to drag an immunity into open court is just mind blowing because of the blowback that it will bring once it goes public. Once trial starts the curtain is pulled back.

Podesta lobbied the U1 deal as well

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1020139087108292608.html

He must be worried, writing an OP and now going on TV with Maria.

Says page unavailable?

oneeyedag said:

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Says page unavailable?

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Same for me. I posted it in case anyone wanted to watch Browder on Maria's Sunday morning show. I usually watch her show (have it on in the background at least) because she is interesting and often has Nunes or other House Committee members on.

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He must be worried, writing an OP and now going on TV with Maria.

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Browder is not the bad guy in this scenario. And neither is the former US Ambassador to Russia. Read the WSJ article. It links the dots as to what was/is going down with Fusion GPS, etc.

That Carlson Tucker report is hilariously misleading. He acts like Manafort is just facing a FARA violation. That's not even remotely true. Hard to give his report any credibility

But if it is true that Podesta gets "blanket" immunity for a bunch of crimes,then he better have a lot on Manafort and be clean on everything but FARA

The more likely story is he's just getting immunity from what he says during the trial like the motion (no one specifically named) asks for

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Mueller and Rosenstein are obstructing justice. Won't help Manafort much but prosecutorial discretion can only cover so many crimes. If Tony Podesta gets immunity, Mueller has crossed a fifteen yard wide red line.

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I think they're seeing how far they can go until they bait Trump into intervening. Then all hell will really break loose.

I'm disgusted. Beyond disgusted.

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That Carlson Tucker report is hilariously misleading. He acts like Manafort is just facing a FARA violation. That's not even remotely true. Hard to give his report any credibility

But if it is true that Podesta gets "blanket" immunity for a bunch of crimes,then he better have a lot on Manafort and be clean on everything but FARA

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Like all the actors in the Hillary investigation who got immunity? Our DOJ/FBI are rotten to the core.

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aggiehawg said:

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Mueller and Rosenstein are obstructing justice. Won't help Manafort much but prosecutorial discretion can only cover so many crimes. If Tony Podesta gets immunity, Mueller has crossed a fifteen yard wide red line.

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I think they're seeing how far they can go until they bait Trump into intervening. Then all hell will really break loose.

I'm disgusted. Beyond disgusted.

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Their backup plan has always been to force Trump to fire Mueller, thus ensuring he will be removed from office by Congress.

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Mueller and Rosenstein are obstructing justice. Won't help Manafort much but prosecutorial discretion can only cover so many crimes. If Tony Podesta gets immunity, Mueller has crossed a fifteen yard wide red line.

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I think they're seeing how far they can go until they bait Trump into intervening. Then all hell will really break loose.

I'm disgusted. Beyond disgusted.

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Their backup plan has always been to force Trump to fire Mueller, thus ensuring he will be removed from office by Congress.

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Oh, I know. But the scheme is expanding because he hasn't put the brakes in the whole thing. You have to believe they thought he'd walk into the trap a long time ago.

Yes, Hillary & Strozk etc are all rotten criminals.

Any other non sequitors?

Look I've gone back and forth on this in my head, and what's triggered all the right is the word immunity. Second is linking that word to anyone name Podesta. But step back and re-read to documents I posted three days ago. This sounds like an absolute narrow scoped immunity deal. Surely Podesta begged for transactional immunity, against all prosecution. Mueller didn't provide that, at least not where I can see it anywhere. There's just way too much speculation in this and Tucker set the hayfield on fire. But this limited use immunity forces Podesta's hand to testify. Podesta can't plead the 5th and if he "forgets" or "can't recall" and fails explain any crimes during the trial, he's not immune to them. This immunization only overs Podesta's words on the transcript. Mueller doesn't need Podesta to confess, or self incriminate to get him on FARA violations. SO physical evidence, documents, emails, texts whatever can be used to convict him. He's just forced to testify and disables his ability to plead the fifth.

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Yes, Hillary & Strozk etc are all rotten criminals.

Any other non sequitors?

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I don't believe it's a non sequitor at all. "Justice" has been manipulated. It doesn't appear that the house is close to clean.

Hillary being a criminal has nothing to do with the Podesta immunity scope. Zero.

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Hillary being a criminal has nothing to do with the Podesta immunity scope. Zero.

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Not trusting the entities that gave Hillary's people immunity does.

In 2015-16, Steele assisted the FBI during a Russian homicide investigation that had occurred in the US. This would indicate that he was considered a 'current' credible expert and had FBI connections beyond Strzok & company.

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Look I've gone back and forth on this in my head, and what's triggered all the right is the word immunity. Second is linking that word to anyone name Podesta. But step back and re-read to documents I posted three days ago. This sounds like an absolute narrow scoped immunity deal. Surely Podesta begged for transactional immunity, against all prosecution. Mueller didn't provide that, at least not where I can see it anywhere. There's just way too much speculation in this and Tucker set the hayfield on fire. But this limited use immunity forces Podesta's hand to testify. Podesta can't plead the 5th and if he "forgets" or "can't recall" and fails explain any crimes during the trial, he's not immune to them. This immunization only overs Podesta's words on the transcript. Mueller doesn't need Podesta to confess, or self incriminate to get him on FARA violations. SO physical evidence, documents, emails, texts whatever can be used to convict him. He's just forced to testify and disables his ability to plead the fifth.

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The whole thing is just puzzling. When Mueller throws mud at Manafort, he will also hit Podesta in the DC case.

This being in Judge Ellis' court on tax and bank fraud is the turd in the punch bowl. Smells. I'm not seeing a strategy that justifies it.

aggiehawg said:

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RoscoePColtrane said:

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Look I've gone back and forth on this in my head, and what's triggered all the right is the word immunity. Second is linking that word to anyone name Podesta. But step back and re-read to documents I posted three days ago. This sounds like an absolute narrow scoped immunity deal. Surely Podesta begged for transactional immunity, against all prosecution. Mueller didn't provide that, at least not where I can see it anywhere. There's just way too much speculation in this and Tucker set the hayfield on fire. But this limited use immunity forces Podesta's hand to testify. Podesta can't plead the 5th and if he "forgets" or "can't recall" and fails explain any crimes during the trial, he's not immune to them. This immunization only overs Podesta's words on the transcript. Mueller doesn't need Podesta to confess, or self incriminate to get him on FARA violations. SO physical evidence, documents, emails, texts whatever can be used to convict him. He's just forced to testify and disables his ability to plead the fifth.

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The whole thing is just puzzling. When Mueller throws mud at Manafort, he will also hit Podesta in the DC case.

This being in Judge Ellis' court on tax and bank fraud is the turd in the punch bowl. Smells. I'm not seeing a strategy that justifies it.

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And that may well be just a little slight of hand on his part

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Did Mueller make a referral on Podesta? Too much time has passed for an indictment, nor would I see any reason for it to be sealed.

We are coming up on one year after the Manafort raid. Yet Podesta waited a few months before abruptly closing up shop, so something else spooked him.

Seems suspicious to me, but I have scanned several articles, all of which claim the resignations are not related to the plot...still...

Oh no!

Trump paid off a porn star!

Oh, wait. Nobody gives a ****

Agreed, but this should help my new TDS thread.

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Random thought. What if Cohen was being used to spy on Trump and the "raid" was used as cover.

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How would that conversation not be privileged?

So what? He entered a non-disclosure agreement then acted in accordance with the agreement. What the hell would be the point of the agreement if he turned around and admitted to the encounter?

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Random thought. What if Cohen was being used to spy on Trump and the "raid" was used as cover.

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Not random at all. Cohen was specifically named in the Steele dossier. Meaning there was a fairly high probability there was a FISA warrant on him too. The "raid" was designed to cover up the true origins of the information, perhaps.

ETA: Remember a month or so ago when the NSA purged a ton of info that they had obtained outside of procedures? Related?

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/07/report_lisa_page_revealed_under_oath_that_there_was_no_basis_for_muellers_appointment.html

John Solomon was interviewed on Hannity. The segment is embedded in this article. Worth watching.

The federal govt is so out of control it's not even funny.

I think the Roz and Mule are pretty much in the business of stalling congress and playing for time until 2020. They were hoping 2018 would be all it took.