Mueller dismisses top FBI agent in Russia probe for anti-Trump texts

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redline248 said:

Sorry if this had been covered, this thread got lost in my loose, but...

does Shep on Fox news hate Trump? He had some deal today or yesterday slamming Trump about calling the investigation "spygate." Said fox can confirm it was not spying, using an informant is normal business.

None of what has been going on sounds normal
Yes, Shep hates trump. Shep also said it was insane to say the trump campaign was wire tapped. He also would have said you're crazy to suggest an "informant" was used in the campaign a little over a week ago. But, since it actually happened, it's "normal"

This is a fun game for the media. They can call trump and his supporters crazy all the way up to the point the claims are proven. Then, they can seamlessly transition to, "well of course that happened, silly."

When 90% of the media calls anyone who goes against the narrative a conspiracy theorist, this is easy to get away with.
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JTA1029 said:

He's the token homosexual liberal that's not supposed to have a bias in his programming but sometimes it comes out.
Sometimes?
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Reservoir Dog said:

BMX Bandit said:

They raided Cohen because Cohen is the one SDNY is investigating!! I said long ago that the likely result in all this is that Trump did not collude with Russia but had some shady people around him looking for a quick buck. And I bet Cohen turns out to be in that group. (And I have no doubt Mueller will try to use jail threat to get Cohen to squel on Trump and it won't be successful)


Your own words prove the point... Trey Gowdy said Trump is not and has never been the subject of the investigation.

Yet, in your statement above, you acknowledge that Mueller is going to use squeeze Cohen to get the goods on Trump. Pretty weird considering Trump is not a target?!?!

Your own words prove that Trey Gowdy is not being intellectually honest and may even be lying.


seems to me that Gowdy was talking about the investigation that planted the informant pre-Mueller into the campaign in which Trump "was not the target." (which I don't buy at this point, but it what I am reserving judgment on).

has Gowdy sat down with Mueller to discuss what he is looking at?
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I asked several pages back whether the "spy" was someone the FBI placed into the campaign or if it was someone already in the campaign that was providing information. Looks like Gowdy is only saying it was not the former.

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With Gowdy, he chooses his words very carefully. It may be more important to take note of the words he does not use because somewhere in those words there may be a message being communicated.
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Regarding the FBI/DOJ, when the democrats control the POTUS and Congress, the FBI/DOJ are to be under their authority. When Republicans are in control, the FBI/DOJ is to be a coequal branch of the government responsible to no one.

Something is wrong.
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A clear corruption issue on their part we will soon find out much more about. Republicans dabble in hypocrisy, but find it disturbing because conservatives are more conscientious. Liberals on the other hand are masters of hypocrisy.
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Prefers the more accurate informant terminology?
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Don't know if you all saw this:



Imperator Rex / Vachel Lindsay was suspended
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Rex's twitter account was closed down, no explanation provided, no indication as to length of ban, no notification of any kind from Twitter. Typical police action directed at a conservative account.
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Twitter/Facebook are seriously disturbing platforms. I hope they all burn.
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They'll fall back to some stupid excuse of the twitter spat.
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Very likely a targeted campaign behind the scenes to shut it down via complaints.
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That's awesome.

Did it go away
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RoscoePColtrane said:

This is a really good read, found out some interesting tidbits on John Brennan



https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1001241112772775938.html


This thread references another thread I posted 80 pages ago so I will re-link it here. This is by Tracy Diaz aka @TracyBeanz, she works the DC area. When you review this thread check out the Google Search she did on Michael Cohen and notice the top ten hits it returns. This Thread is making the rounds on google.



https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/998242710824869888.html
John Brennan worked as a private contractor and illegally accessed passport files on McCain, Obama, and Clinton? How did I miss this?

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So an employee of a private government contractor (TAC) headed by John Brennan whilst he was advising Obma accessed security documents and passports of his candidate and two other opposing Candidates? I want you let that sink in.really deep
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SpreadsheetAg said:


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President Trump's lawyer Rudy Giuliani said on Tuesday that the president will not sit for an interview with special counsel Robert Mueller's team until his legal team gets all documents related to the FBI's use of an informant....

All documents -- that would mean the EC, plus all CIA/FBI communications, reports, contracts, with Halper, plus any inclusion of Halper material in the FISA warrant application & renewals on Carter Page, plus anything related to Halper & associated counterintel investigation included in Rosenstein's secret memo to Mueller in August 2017 = the whole ball of wax. So it's equivalent to saying: "I'm all in. My interview against all the secret cards up your sleeve."
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It is so odd. Well, not really odd. Rex doesn't even go into conspiracy theories. He rejects Q and any kind of Alex Jones level conspiracies.
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BMX Bandit said:

I asked several pages back whether the "spy" was someone the FBI placed into the campaign or if it was someone already in the campaign that was providing information. Looks like Gowdy is only saying it was not the former.
It looks like Gowdy din't even see the right documents...
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GCP12 said:

It is so odd. Well, not really odd. Rex doesn't even go into conspiracy theories. He rejects Q and any kind of Alex Jones level conspiracies.
He engaged in a twitter war with a nasty Leftist; the latter called in his chips with the Twitter Police.
Don't mud wrestle with pigs...you'll end up getting dirty.
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GCP12 said:

BMX Bandit said:

I asked several pages back whether the "spy" was someone the FBI placed into the campaign or if it was someone already in the campaign that was providing information. Looks like Gowdy is only saying it was not the former.
It looks like Gowdy din't even see the right documents...



Rubes = Rubio.
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The latest from Judge Wood

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drcrinum said:

GCP12 said:

It is so odd. Well, not really odd. Rex doesn't even go into conspiracy theories. He rejects Q and any kind of Alex Jones level conspiracies.
He engaged in a twitter war with a nasty Leftist; the latter called in his chips with the Twitter Police.
Don't mud wrestle with pigs...you'll end up getting dirty.

That is just disgusting but it happens here a lot as well. Libs start a fight by saying something stupid, the stupidity is pointed out, lib goes crying to a mod, thread gets locked or deleted.

Libs really are children most of the time. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.
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https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1002190395365670913.html

This is for the legal beagles. Techno Fog's analysis of the latest Cohen hearing.
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FBI violated own rulebook by taking steps to recruit, use Trump campaign 'spy': Experts

The FBI's own guidelines restrict the deployment of informants to spy on Americans, such as the bureau's decision to plant a human source among Donald Trump's presidential campaign aides.

The cautionary regulation is contained in the FBI's nearly 700-page Domestic Investigations and Operations Guide. The restrictions are prompting national security analysts to say the FBIshould have heeded its own rulebook, which encourages alternatives to human spies in any investigation, much less one into a presidential political campaign.

The FBI should have focused, they say, on Russian agents who were meddling in the election by hacking computers and by spewing false information on social media.

Instead, the bureau, during President Obama's administration, took the momentous step of recruiting a national security academic, Stefan Halper, to spy on Trump associates by striking up what seemed to be innocent professional contacts.

Mr. Halper was a "confidential human source," an official category of spy that is regulated by the FBI's domestic investigations directive. The FBI completed an updated document in 2013 and posted online a redacted version in 2016.

Human sources are regulated under a program called "Otherwise Illegal Activity," or OIA. It is called "otherwise illegal" because spying on Americans would be against the law if, as the policy says, the spying is "engaged in by a person acting without authorization."

Thus, the protocol says the confidential informant must be approved by the Justice Department, meaning an Obama political appointee might have given the go-ahead in summer 2016.

The guideline says a human source should be used only in "limited circumstances," which includes "when that information or evidence is not reasonably available without participation in the OIA." The rules also say that "otherwise illegal activity" should be "limited or minimized in scope to only that which is reasonably necessary."

A U.S. official told The Washington Times that the bureau should have targeted Russian intelligence officials first to determine whether there was evidence that they were contacting or colluding with Trump people before authorizing domestic spying by what the source called an "agent provocateur."

John Dowd, President Trump's former defense counsel, said the FBI had a duty to notify, not spy on, Trump people. "If you are concerned that the Russians are trying to penetrate a campaign or meddle with the election campaign process, you include the candidates and their top security professionals in that effort," Mr. Dowd told The Times.

Obama Justice Department officials considered informing the Trump campaign that it was the target of Russian intelligence but opted not to, according to the final majority Republican report from the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence....
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MouthBQ98 said:

Prefers the more accurate informant terminology?
exactly. thats why tweets like the one from [url=https://twitter.com/LarrySchweikart][/url]Schweikart[url=https://twitter.com/LarrySchweikart/status/1002178143447207941][/url] above are so infuriating. It completely misrepresents what Gowdy's position is.

Gowdy takes issue with the use of the word "spy." Thats not uncommon for an attorney.

He has not disputed at all the FBI had someone in the campaign doing what has been alleged.
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BMX Bandit said:

MouthBQ98 said:

Prefers the more accurate informant terminology?
exactly. thats why tweets like the one from [url=https://twitter.com/LarrySchweikart][/url]Schweikart[url=https://twitter.com/LarrySchweikart/status/1002178143447207941][/url] above are so infuriating. It completely misrepresents what Gowdy's position is.

Gowdy takes issue with the use of the word "spy." Thats not uncommon for an attorney.

He has not disputed at all the FBI had someone in the campaign doing what has been alleged.
Concerns me that TG seems to be straddling the line...one day on the right...next day, jumped to the other. Can't guess where he's going to land. My question for him..."What do you know and when did you know it?"

He's a bit "too clever" or "totally uninformed" IMHO.

Edit - Throw in his stated intent to "quit and get out", is troubling to me.
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SIAP - but don't remember seeing this on this thread back when the texts came out.

Interesting find...

A Strok/Page text where Strok says something about having to switch from "Patriot Act" to "a wire carrying current".

Essentially, disproves all the previously stated reasons for surveilling the campaign and shows that they were doing it from the very beginning.

We all know this essentially - that after Rogers shut down the 702s, they had to do something else but nice to see it loosely proven in documentation.

ETA: The text was April 2016. Shortly after Rogers shut down the 702s, right?

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