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drcrinum said:

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So Clapper's leak to CNN about Comey briefing Trump on the salacious contents of the dossier on January 6, 2017, at Trump Tower was pre-planned and coordinated with the FBI & CNN. Definitely a conspiracy.

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There's some high level individuals in the Obama administration that have to do time. If Trump really is serious about draining the swamp, he really doesn't have any choice but to unleash the hounds and let the chips fall where they may.

It's going to be jolting for many Americans but it's got to happen in order to restore faith in our government. Extremely sobering.

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What would be FAR MORE jolting is if they are allowed to get away with it.

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I completely agree. As I said, let the chips fall where they may. I was just commenting that for those Americans that may not follow this stuff as close as us here on TexAgs and this thread, it will be shocking for them to finally understand the level of corruption and illegality that was present in the Obama administration.

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30% of Americans will refuse to believe any of it and will cling to the belief that Trump is a tyrannical despot.

THAT is the sad part.

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Your number is WAY LOW

RoscoePColtrane said:

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Ag87H2O said:

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Tailgate88 said:

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Ag87H2O said:

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drcrinum said:

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So Clapper's leak to CNN about Comey briefing Trump on the salacious contents of the dossier on January 6, 2017, at Trump Tower was pre-planned and coordinated with the FBI & CNN. Definitely a conspiracy.

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There's some high level individuals in the Obama administration that have to do time. If Trump really is serious about draining the swamp, he really doesn't have any choice but to unleash the hounds and let the chips fall where they may.

It's going to be jolting for many Americans but it's got to happen in order to restore faith in our government. Extremely sobering.

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What would be FAR MORE jolting is if they are allowed to get away with it.

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I completely agree. As I said, let the chips fall where they may. I was just commenting that for those Americans that may not follow this stuff as close as us here on TexAgs and this thread, it will be shocking for them to finally understand the level of corruption and illegality that was present in the Obama administration.

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30% of Americans will refuse to believe any of it and will cling to the belief that Trump is a tyrannical despot.

THAT is the sad part.

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Your number is WAY LOW

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Agreed. Stubborn partisan self delusion is all they will have, but it will be enough.

Somewhat pleasant long read on how to take nothing and make it into something; i.e., what the UK intel folks did with Page & Papadopoulos.
But here is what I found interesting. In previous news articles we have learned that Halper invited Page to the Cambridge Symposium on July 11-12, 2016, a few days after Page's presentation in Moscow, + paid his round trip airfare, and there was one other UK intel person present, Dearlove, former MI6 head. Well, according to the above article, another person of interest was also present at the Cambridge Symposium -- Christopher Steele! Just a coincidence? I think not. You see, the first mention of Page in Steele's dossier is the July 19, 2016 report (Pages 9-10) which highlight's Page's trip to Moscow and his nefarious meetings with Kremlin bigwigs; i.e., one week after the Cambridge Symposium Page is written up in the dossier.

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Sedition. 20 years

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Exactly, this is a Seditious conspiracy by the letter of the law all the coup and treason talk is ridiculous

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People use the term "treason" because it meets the definition to the letter. It doesn't meet the U.S. Code definition of treason.

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I can see myself turning somewhat on Trump if all these jackwagons don't start perp walking soon, including Hillary! The buck stops with him.

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This is not either a correct or sound statement. We live in republic with seperation of powers. So what you are really saying is this. If Trump does not run over the consititution declare marshall law and take absolute powers and to arrest and imprison all these 'jackwagons' then you are going to start turn against him!??!??!??!???!

No, the buck does not stop with him in this particular venue of government.

This is interesting

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/999401435078057984.html

The Constitiution cannot enforce anything in its own.

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House Democrats urged President Trump Thursday to talk to Robert Mueller as part of the special counsel's investigation into Russian meddling and potential collusion with Trump campaign associates during the 2016 presidential race.

Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., the ranking member on the House Intelligence Committee, and 15 other Democrats on the panel penned a letter to the president on Thursday, advising him to "submit to an interview."

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/24/house-judiciary-dems-urge-trump-to-interview-with-mueller.html

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House Democrats urged President Trump Thursday to talk to Robert Mueller as part of the special counsel's investigation into Russian meddling and potential collusion with Trump campaign associates during the 2016 presidential race.

Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., the ranking member on the House Intelligence Committee, and 15 other Democrats on the panel penned a letter to the president on Thursday, advising him to "submit to an interview."

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/24/house-judiciary-dems-urge-trump-to-interview-with-mueller.html

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They can EAD.

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Didn't Rudy advise the same?

This.

Don't ever take anything Trimp or the legal teal say at face value. The are jacking with Mueller. My guess is they are buying time for the OIG to roll out his report and indictments start being handed down. Mueller's number 1 witness is Comey who will be referred for indictment. His number 1 witness is a proven liar.

Also, by buying time it allows Mueller and his team to face the wrath of the Federal Judges.

DOJ Lawmakers meeting over. And cnn saying it's not normal. None of this is normal.

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Sedition. 20 years

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"By force" would be a tall hill for a US prosecutor ... he'd probably prefer to chase a lesser crime with higher odds.

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US Code, Title 18, Part I, Chapter 115, 2384 - Seditious conspiracy

If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

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DOJ Lawmakers meeting over. And cnn saying it's not normal. None of this is normal.

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WH council was there? Oh boy

Only for the start

And the Dems aren't happy about it. Me Russia himself Warner is complaining.

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drcrinum said:

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So Clapper's leak to CNN about Comey briefing Trump on the salacious contents of the dossier on January 6, 2017, at Trump Tower was pre-planned and coordinated with the FBI & CNN. Definitely a conspiracy.

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There's some high level individuals in the Obama administration that have to do time. If Trump really is serious about draining the swamp, he really doesn't have any choice but to unleash the hounds and let the chips fall where they may.

It's going to be jolting for many Americans but it's got to happen in order to restore faith in our government. Extremely sobering.

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What would be FAR MORE jolting is if they are allowed to get away with it.

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I completely agree. As I said, let the chips fall where they may. I was just commenting that for those Americans that may not follow this stuff as close as us here on TexAgs and this thread, it will be shocking for them to finally understand the level of corruption and illegality that was present in the Obama administration.

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30% of Americans will refuse to believe any of it and will cling to the belief that Trump is a tyrannical despot.

THAT is the sad part.

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30% of Americans and 97% of the Media.

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coyote68 said:

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Sedition. 20 years

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"By force" would be a tall hill for a US prosecutor ... he'd probably prefer to chase a lesser crime with higher odds.

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US Code, Title 18, Part I, Chapter 115, 2384 - Seditious conspiracy

If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

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Well, "overthrow" and "put down" don't appear to require "by force". I say this because of the inclusion of "to" before "destroy"...sentence construction using parallelism...and the use of "by force" in consecutive items of listed conduct.

So, can we shoehorn this conspiracy into conduct that constitutes overthrowing or putting down?

Whiff

Don't let the media lie to you; Sarah sets it straight:

Perfect

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Whiff

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That little La Raza commie can piss off.

He's not part of the Gang of Eight, dude can pound sand.

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Perfect

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The document could have said in plain English that X, Y, and Z were **** for brains would say there is no proof.

And the media will repeat his lies without question.

"But they did have one or more human informants embedded who were reporting back on campaign activities and attempting to ensnare campaign members...."

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Trump is the Kwisatz Haderach.

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It must be 40 years since I read Dune.

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Ditto. Only slightly more than 40 years.

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Worth picking up again. I re-read the entire original (Frank authored) series every 5-7 years. It's good every time, and I always find new relevance. Brilliant writing. The Princess Imrulan et al "history" excerpts at the beginning of each chapter are worth perusing even if you don't read the text itself.

That's why they said spy. They didn't say informant. Just like Comey yesterday. Wish someone would ask them that.

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That's why they said spy. They didn't say informant. Just like Comey yesterday. Wish someone would ask them that.

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Schiff took no questions. Not that any of those useless reporters would have asked.

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"But they did have one or more human informants embedded who were reporting back on campaign activities and attempting to ensnare campaign members...."

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I didn't think that was even the point of today's meetings.

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I didn't think that was even the point of today's meetings.

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My suspicion is that the point of today's meetings was to show everyone in the room, "here's what we know" and then ask the follow-up question of, "how badly do you want this to hurt?"

I ask again - is Schiff this culpable, or is he Baghdad Bob and doesn't know any better?

I can't get it out of my brain that sans Maxine Watters, SJL, and Schiff? - nobody is this blindly stupid...liberals just lie - its their character and what they are made of - lies to fit their agenda.

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"By force" would be a tall hill for a US prosecutor ... he'd probably prefer to chase a lesser crime with higher odds.

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US Code, Title 18, Part I, Chapter 115, 2384 - Seditious conspiracy

If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

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Well, "overthrow" and "put down" don't appear to require "by force". I say this because of the inclusion of "to" before "destroy"...sentence construction using parallelism...and the use of "by force" in consecutive items of listed conduct.

So, can we shoehorn this conspiracy into conduct that constitutes overthrowing or putting down?

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Pretty sure "seditious conspiracy" has to pass the "by force" litmus. Sedition usually applies to radical militias, terrorists, anarchists, etc. that conspire to overthrow the gov using violence.

their statement was written well before the meeting.