Take it to the "safe space" thread.FriscoKid said:
Yeah, that's trash then.
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GCP12 said:It really belongs in the Q thread. It's a twitter account that is either linked to Q or just follows Q and acts like he/she is connectedFriscoKid said:
who is BC17?
It needs a separate thread from the Q thread.
Forget the quibbling over Q, guys. That filing in Ellis' court that I posted a few minutes ago, is a bombshell with far reaching ramifications.
damn, who let "her" in here?
..OK back to the thread
..OK back to the thread
Hillary paid for warrant to spy on Trump.
aggiehawg said:
Forget the quibbling over Q, guys. That filing in Ellis' court that I posted a few minutes ago, is a bombshell with far reaching ramifications.
Please explain. I'm very interested in your thoughts.
GCP12 said:It really belongs in the Q thread. It's a twitter account that is either linked to Q or just follows Q and acts like he/she is connectedFriscoKid said:
who is BC17?
Sorry, got the threads mixed up. I normally try to keep the Q stuff in the Q thread.
Yeah, I'm having trouble understanding the implications you're referring to. Appreciate your help, as always.aggiehawg said:
Forget the quibbling over Q, guys. That filing in Ellis' court that I posted a few minutes ago, is a bombshell with far reaching ramifications.
From Hawg's "LEVIN" link:
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It follows, then, that every subpoena, indictment, and plea agreement involving the Mueller investigation is null and void. Every defendant, suspect, witness, etc., in this matter should challenge the Mueller appointment as a violation of the Appointments Clause.
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From Hawg's "LEVIN" link:Quote:
It follows, then, that every subpoena, indictment, and plea agreement involving the Mueller investigation is null and void. Every defendant, suspect, witness, etc., in this matter should challenge the Mueller appointment as a violation of the Appointments Clause.
Listened to Levin on the way home last night while he hammered that point home. He is correct.
So giving them status as "special assistant United States attorneys" could change the Manafort thing from being a big screwup to something a bit more "legitimate", right?
But RR's giving Mueller so much power/latitude could unravel the whole shebang, right?
But RR's giving Mueller so much power/latitude could unravel the whole shebang, right?
Who appoints US Asst Attorneys?
Team Mueller is attempting some very dangerous tomfoolery in Ellis' court. They now are signing documents as both Special Counsel and as Special Assistant Attorneys to the Eastern District of Virginia. This is to counter the lack of jurisdiction in the Manafort case in that court.coyote68 said:aggiehawg said:
Forget the quibbling over Q, guys. That filing in Ellis' court that I posted a few minutes ago, is a bombshell with far reaching ramifications.
Please explain. I'm very interested in your thoughts.
So between finally giving the judge the unredacted August 2, 2017 Rosenstein memo last Thursday and the newly designated authority under the Eastern District of Virginia the natural assumption is that Rosenstein attempted to give them those powers somewhere in the redacted portions. It would also mean that Team Mueller's Dreeben was lying through his teeth in open court to Judge Ellis two weeks or so ago.
That whole hearing was about why the Eastern District of Virginia wasn't not bringing the case against Manafort and why the Special Counsel had plucked it away from them to bring it themselves. Ellis knew it was a leverage move to ge Manafort to squeal on Trump and expressed his distaste for those types of maneuvers.
BUT HERE'S THE POINT: IF INDEED TEAM MUELLER HAD BEEN SOMEHOW DEPUTIZED AS SPECIAL ASSISTANT ATTORNEYS FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF VIRGINIA, THEY WOULD HAVE SAID SO AT THAT HEARING. THEY DID NOT.
The second article I posted was from Mark Levin. His take is that if Rosenstein or the US Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia tried to appoint Team Mueller as deputies it would violate the Appointments Clause of the Constitution. Rosenstein may wield powers but not the powers of the Presidency in the Appointments Clause.
By trying to remedy and bootstrap their questionable jurisdiction in the Manafort case, before an already suspicious and critical judge, they just made the situation much worse for themselves. Ellis may come unglued over it.
Trying to trick or pull a fast one on a federal judge as a lawyer probably isn't a good career move.
Much appreciated!
Jake Tapper was a reporter on the dossier. Love to see him cool his heels for a whileProsperdick said:God it would be fantastic if they could lock up some CNN reporters, Maggie from the NYT and others.aggiehawg said:Not sure "co-conspirator" is the correct term in the legal sense, unless they were paying the government leakers as an inducement to commit a crime.Quote:
Now take the above article from April which implied CNN was 'colluding' with Comey/FBI about briefing Trump on the dossier & then publishing details about the dossier, based upon Comey's Memos...and combine it with the letter (see previous Page 394) from Senator Johnson concerning the just-revealed emails involving McCabe/Comey/Rybiki/etc, the 'sensitive matter team', and I think there is ample evidence to include CNN as a co-conspirator in the scheme.
After The Pentagon Papers case, the publication of classified material by a legitimate news outlet is not a crime. The person(s) who provided the information is the criminal.
What these revelations prove, OTOH, is that the oft used "We don't comment on pending investigations," used by the FBI and DOJ is pure BS. They comment all of the time, just anonymously.
I said before it is time to lock some reporters up for contempt until they reveal their sources on highly classified material. They are the witness to a crime. Free speech grants them criminal immunity but not full immunity from contempt of court charges.
http://www.breitbart.com/radio/2018/05/22/stone-brennan-pop-glass-capsule-take-cyanide-die-penitentiary/
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Roger Stone, veteran political strategist and longtime confidant of President Trump, said in an exclusive interview with SiriusXM's Breitbart News Daily on Tuesday morning that former CIA Director John Brennan will "die in a federal penitentiary."
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"John Brennan should pop the glass capsule and take the cyanide now," Stone told host Amanda House, Breitbart News's deputy political editor. "He's the perp who started the entire Russian dossier matter. He's lied about it under oath. He's going to die in a federal penitentiary."
Brennan and the Obama intelligence community's roles in the investigation of the Trump campaign have come under increasing scrutiny.
Recently, Cambridge Professor Stefan Halper was outed by former and current officials leaking to the Washington Post and the New York Times as an FBI and CIA informant who approached and befriended several members of the Trump campaign.
Halper had reached out to members of the campaign weeks before FBI officials said they first learned of allegations of collusion calling into question why the Obama administration was surveilling the Trump campaign.
Was going to link that Olson article. It's a good read
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Can somebody find the committee that presents the Official Understatement of the Year Award and get this quote on their radar?aggiehawg said:
Ellis may come unglued over it.
These are the exact sort of shenanigans that leave federal judges seeing 50 shades of red.
There is always a "Darwin Award"!
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-avenatti-bankruptcy-20180522-story.html
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Kevin Downing is going to kick Mueller's Ass right in front of Judge Ellis !
Isn't that what I said?aggiehawg said:Team Mueller is attempting some very dangerous tomfoolery in Ellis' court. They now are signing documents as both Special Counsel and as Special Assistant Attorneys to the Eastern District of Virginia. This is to counter the lack of jurisdiction in the Manafort case in that court.coyote68 said:aggiehawg said:
Forget the quibbling over Q, guys. That filing in Ellis' court that I posted a few minutes ago, is a bombshell with far reaching ramifications.
Please explain. I'm very interested in your thoughts.
So between finally giving the judge the unredacted August 2, 2017 Rosenstein memo last Thursday and the newly designated authority under the Eastern District of Virginia the natural assumption is that Rosenstein attempted to give them those powers somewhere in the redacted portions. It would also mean that Team Mueller's Dreeben was lying through his teeth in open court to Judge Ellis two weeks or so ago.
That whole hearing was about why the Eastern District of Virginia wasn't not bringing the case against Manafort and why the Special Counsel had plucked it away from them to bring it themselves. Ellis knew it was a leverage move to ge Manafort to squeal on Trump and expressed his distaste for those types of maneuvers.
BUT HERE'S THE POINT: IF INDEED TEAM MUELLER HAD BEEN SOMEHOW DEPUTIZED AS SPECIAL ASSISTANT ATTORNEYS FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF VIRGINIA, THEY WOULD HAVE SAID SO AT THAT HEARING. THEY DID NOT.
The second article I posted was from Mark Levin. His take is that if Rosenstein or the US Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia tried to appoint Team Mueller as deputies it would violate the Appointments Clause of the Constitution. Rosenstein may wield powers but not the powers of the Presidency in the Appointments Clause.
By trying to remedy and bootstrap their questionable jurisdiction in the Manafort case, before an already suspicious and critical judge, they just made the situation much worse for themselves. Ellis may come unglued over it.
GoodSarge 91 said:There will be riots in the streets the likes of which we have never seen.pedro_martinez said:
Thread by @_VachelLindsay_: "1. I have no doubt that Obama will be indicted and found guilty of at least THREE major felonies, just from his central involvement in the f []" #ObamaGate #MAGA
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When I have to pick my jaw up off of the floor at the latest of Mueller's many legal hi-jinks, I forget that it sounds like a bunch of gobbledy gook to laypersons.coyote68 said:
Much appreciated!
A few pages back I suggested that Judge Ellis order Rosenstein to brief the question of how a Special Counsel can be appointed in any fashion to conduct a counter-intel probe. Now there is an addendum to the briefing questions. How the hell can he appoint them as Special Assistant Attorneys, do so in secret and when questioned by a federal judge on that very subject, mislead the court? And how does holding dual hats as an US Attorney and then Special Assistant Attorneys in a particular district without diminishing, not augmenting, Mueller's power?
Using titles and honorary appointments doesn't remedy the jurisdiction issue, at this late date just by saying, "Oh, I'm putting on this hat. I'm not Team Mueller right now." When every filing made heretofore, including the original (hot mess) indictment and then the superceding indictment was under their authority as Special Counsel and NOT the EDVA. That's a fundamental fraud upon the court.
A different kind of hat trick that Team Mueller is trying...in Judge Ellis' court. Incredible!
The attempt to bootstrap jurisdiction in that manner, at this late date is the old bait and switch but it is not only on Manafort's lawyers, it's a bait and switch on the federal court. Generally not a good idea...like...evah.MooreTrucker said:
So giving them status as "special assistant United States attorneys" could change the Manafort thing from being a big screwup to something a bit more "legitimate", right?
But RR's giving Mueller so much power/latitude could unravel the whole shebang, right?
Your second sentence is certainly one outcome of the mess that Rosenstein and Mueller have created for themselves.
So my question is, when will the **** show be? I assume there is a hearing coming up where Judge Ellis will be voicing his displeasure? I want to make sure to stock up on popcorn ahead of time.
Glad you are here. Can you believe Mueller is trying that crap in Ellis' court? About as close to "suicide by judge" that I have seen since a bench trial on a death penalty case.blindey said:Can somebody find the committee that presents the Official Understatement of the Year Award and get this quote on their radar?aggiehawg said:
Ellis may come unglued over it.
These are the exact sort of shenanigans that leave federal judges seeing 50 shades of red.
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I had a hearing the other day in Judge Ellison's court in Houston. Nothing fancy, just status and some housekeeping and it all went well because all counsel were playing by the book. He's an old school Clinton appointee and whenever we draw him, there's never really any complaint. In terms of courtroom control and interaction with the attorneys in his courtroom, he has the same old school effusiveness that Ellis has.aggiehawg said:The attempt to bootstrap jurisdiction in that manner, at this late date is the old bait and switch but it is not only on Manafort's lawyers, it's a bait and switch on the federal court. Generally not a good idea...like...evah.MooreTrucker said:
So giving them status as "special assistant United States attorneys" could change the Manafort thing from being a big screwup to something a bit more "legitimate", right?
But RR's giving Mueller so much power/latitude could unravel the whole shebang, right?
Your second sentence is certainly one outcome of the mess that Rosenstein and Mueller have created for themselves.
So what's the point of my Abe Simpson-esque anecdote? It's that I got real life reminder about old school article III judges. These guys were practicing law back in the 1970s and 80s when it was the rule (not the exception) to take every opportunity to trick**** opposing counsel. They know every trick in the book. It's one thing to run those plays on opposing counsel. Shady to be sure. But its another thing to run that book on the judge. Especially an old school type like Ellis.
aggiehawg said:The attempt to bootstrap jurisdiction in that manner, at this late date is the old bait and switch but it is not only on Manafort's lawyers, it's a bait and switch on the federal court. Generally not a good idea...like...evah.MooreTrucker said:
So giving them status as "special assistant United States attorneys" could change the Manafort thing from being a big screwup to something a bit more "legitimate", right?
But RR's giving Mueller so much power/latitude could unravel the whole shebang, right?
Your second sentence is certainly one outcome of the mess that Rosenstein and Mueller have created for themselves.
Watch team Mueller try to throw all their assistants under the bus for simply mistakenly signing the documents as "special assistant us attorneys"
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Oh, and to give you a clear answer on this: no. I cannot believe Mueller and his crew are trying that in Ellis's court. He's probably sitting in his chambers eating his bologna sandwich (or whatever septuagenarians brown bag to work) and hoping his eyes don't pop out of their socket from the next eyeroll-inducing move that comes in the door.aggiehawg said:Glad you are here. Can you believe Mueller is trying that crap in Ellis' court? About as close to "suicide by judge" that I have seen since a bench trial on a death penalty case.blindey said:Can somebody find the committee that presents the Official Understatement of the Year Award and get this quote on their radar?aggiehawg said:
Ellis may come unglued over it.
These are the exact sort of shenanigans that leave federal judges seeing 50 shades of red.
Keep digging that hole deeper to try and piss this judge off even more there, Robby.Quote:
But its another thing to run that book on the judge. Especially an old school type like Ellis.
I can't believe anyone on Team Mueller thought that tactic was legally sound, not to mention just a good idea overall. Sometimes, you have gotten yourself into a hole and just need to take your medicine and stop digging.
Mueller apparently never learned that lesson and is trying to save face. Even Judge Berman Jackson who has already ruled in the DC case will take pause because of this development.
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Berman Jackson is an Obama flunky.
Which is how team Mueller expected every last federal judge to act.
Good 'ol reality.
Which is how team Mueller expected every last federal judge to act.
Good 'ol reality.
No way they just get all this dismissed and Mueller gets to pack his bags and the investigation is closed.
No way guys! You guys caused all this trouble for far too many people. This thing better boomerang back on the Clintons, Obama's, Justice, etc, etc. You called down "Russia"! Deal with it.
No way guys! You guys caused all this trouble for far too many people. This thing better boomerang back on the Clintons, Obama's, Justice, etc, etc. You called down "Russia"! Deal with it.
Hillary paid for warrant to spy on Trump.
Yeah, but even she can take judicial notice of what Team Mueller has done in another federal court on the same subject, jurisdiction, that has been raised in her court. This is particularly true if she never demanded the unredacted version of the August 2, 2017 Rosenstein memo. (I don't she ever asked for it and likely has not seen it.)blindey said:
Berman Jackson is an Obama flunky.
Which is how team Mueller expected every last federal judge to act.
Good 'ol reality.
Even Obama flunky judges don't want to be viewed as being horn swoggled in their own court room.
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