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It appears Obama and some of his close associates may have been deeply involved in spying on Donald Trump the candidate and Donald Trump the POTUS. Hilary was heavily favored to win.

Serious question. Why would Obama risk everything? Same question applies to Rosenstein and Mueller. Those guys are playing with fire.

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Simple. They spied on a hell of a lot of Americans during his administration, not just Trump's campaign. This was just SOP until he won.

I hope all the other shenanigans of the previous administration get exposed and not just from 2016.

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This is a delusional tweet. Does ted lieu believe that the doj is holding damaging information from Mueller? This is the embodiment of TDS.

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This moron called the congressional hearing of two women complaining about deliberate censorship by social media, ridiculous.

He doesn't care about the Constitution.

http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/388549-stopping-robert-mueller-to-protect-us-all#.WwIbanuoKoI.twitter

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Stopping Robert Mueller to protect us all

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Oh,my! Written by Mark Penn, who served as pollster and adviser to President Bill Clinton from 1995 to 2000, including during his impeachment. Lays it straight on the line. The MSM is going to eat its own before this is over.

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RoscoePColtrane said:

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Let's see how long it takes the left to turn on Rosey since he's responding to Trump's tweet and expanding the investigation with Horowitz. They've been polishing his knob for the past year and change, now we will see how quick they flip on him.

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I don't think that was Rosenstein's order to Horowitz. That was Sessions.

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It was Rosenstein's

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/white-house/rod-rosenstein-asks-doj-inspector-general-to-review-possible-trump-campaign-infiltration

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Rod Rosenstein asks DOJ inspector general to review possible Trump campaign infiltration

...Rosenstein made the request shortly after a tweet from President Trump saying that he would "officially" ask "that the Department of Justice look into whether or not the FBI/DOJ infiltrated or surveilled the Trump Campaign for Political Purposes."

In a statement, Rosenstein said: "If anyone did infiltrate or surveil participants in a presidential campaign for inappropriate purposes, we need to know about it and take appropriate action." The attorney general, Jeff Sessions, has recused himself from Russia-related matters....

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Domestic infiltration should be in Sessions' area of scope.

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Hoochie momma somebody's pissed off! Fire it up Trump!

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Too bad that tweet is 4 years old but he had plenty of salty ones today.

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What was going on with Trump in June 2014? It couldn't have been worse that what is going on now, so if that was his attitude then Lord have mercy is right!

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drcrinum said:

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aggiehawg said:

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RoscoePColtrane said:

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Let's see how long it takes the left to turn on Rosey since he's responding to Trump's tweet and expanding the investigation with Horowitz. They've been polishing his knob for the past year and change, now we will see how quick they flip on him.

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I don't think that was Rosenstein's order to Horowitz. That was Sessions.

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It was Rosenstein's

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/white-house/rod-rosenstein-asks-doj-inspector-general-to-review-possible-trump-campaign-infiltration

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Rod Rosenstein asks DOJ inspector general to review possible Trump campaign infiltration

...Rosenstein made the request shortly after a tweet from President Trump saying that he would "officially" ask "that the Department of Justice look into whether or not the FBI/DOJ infiltrated or surveilled the Trump Campaign for Political Purposes."

In a statement, Rosenstein said: "If anyone did infiltrate or surveil participants in a presidential campaign for inappropriate purposes, we need to know about it and take appropriate action." The attorney general, Jeff Sessions, has recused himself from Russia-related matters....

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Domestic infiltration should be in Sessions' area of scope.

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Read the statement again.... keywords- "presidential campaign" - Sessions recusal pertained directly to anything campaign related.

Holding the House for 2018 is a lock...

Hillary is herpies on the Democratic Party.

F'n Sessions!

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This expansion directly involves the campaign, and Sessions is recused from anything campaign related, I betting it's Rosey. Someone posted a statement I'll have to try and find, I questioned the veracity but I'll try to find it.

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It also includes the transition and while Trump has been POTUS. If Sessions punted that one, he deserves to be fired. His dumb recusal has caused all of this mess.

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I'm really hoping to be wrong, but I bet the left has dirt on Sessions. He needs to be removed and replaced with somebody that can do the damn job.

There is a reason Hillary had those FBI files.

Tom Fitton (@TomFitton) Tweeted:
Obama, btw, can still be impeached. https://t.co/JsIU9bhnnJ

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You know when you think about this, what's going on, a group of black hats trying to destroy an elected president and his administration, it's about as close as you can get to civil war. My goodness we're all Americans but you wouldn't know it. I'm getting old but never thought I'd see anything like this. Trump is not the enemy. The sore losers are.

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And to think, they were so righteously indignant when Trump dare question the election's integrity. I hope to one day soon call it delicious irony but we need to trust the process.

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http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/388549-stopping-robert-mueller-to-protect-us-all#.WwIbanuoKoI.twitter

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Stopping Robert Mueller to protect us all

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Oh,my! Written by Mark Penn, who served as pollster and adviser to President Bill Clinton from 1995 to 2000, including during his impeachment. Lays it straight on the line. The MSM is going to eat its own before this is over.

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Nice article. Thank you

True

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You know when you think about this, what's going on, a group of black hats trying to destroy an elected president and his administration, it's about as close as you can get to civil war. My goodness we're all Americans but you wouldn't know it. I'm getting old but never thought I'd see anything like this. Trump is not the enemy. The sore losers are.

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It's not the sitting president they're worried about. It's everyone else. The ones that already took the fall and the ones that they had in the works.

This is too well-oiled of a machine for Trump to be a one-off. What is out there that Brennan really doesn't want known?

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Too Late Magpie

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Like the left has accepted the results of the election?

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The POTUS can direct this as head of the executive branch. People just don't know how our govt works or don't care.

Idiots.

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And of course, remember that Haberman has been one of the mouthpieces for the participants of the coup.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/05/halper_spells_game_up_for_obamas_spies.html

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The FBI is asked--way back as early as 2015, but who knows? -- to be helpful to the Dems and they agree. What they do is they hire non-government consultants with close Dem ties to do "analytical work" for them, which happens to include total access to NSA data. Advantages? For the Dems, obviously, access to EVERYTHING digital. A gold mine for modern campaign research. For the FBI there's also an advantage. They get to play dumb -- gosh, we didn't know they were looking at all that stuff! They also don't have to falsify anything, like making [stuff] up to "justify" opening a FI [full investigation] on an American citizen and then lying to the FISC to get a FISA on the USPER [US person] and having to continually renew the FISA and lie all over again to the FISC each renewal. And the beauty of it all is, who's ever going to find out? And even if they do, how do you prove criminal intent?
So everything's humming along until a pain in the a** named Mike Rogers at NSA does an audit in 4/2016, just as the real campaign season is about to start. And Rogers learns that 85% of the searches the FBI has done between 12/2015 and 4/2016 have been totally out of bounds. And he clamps down -- no more non-government contractors, tight auditing on searches of NSA data. Oh s***! What to do, just give up? Well, not necessarily, but there's a lot more work involved and a lot more fudging the facts. What the FBI needs to do now is get a FISA that will cover their a** and provide coverage on the GOPers going forward. That means, first get a FI on an USPER [US person] connected to the Trump campaign (who looks, in [April] or [May] 2016, like the GOP candidate) so you can then get that FISA. That's not so easy, because they've got to find an USPER with that profile who they can plausibly present as a Russian spy. But they have this source named Halper.
So they first open a PI [preliminary investigation]. That allows them to legally use NatSec Letters and other investigative techniques to keep at least some of what they were doing going. But importantly this allows them to legally use Halper to try to frame people connected to the Trump campaign -- IOW, find someone to open a FI on so they can then get that FISA. However the PI is framed, that's what they're looking to do. It has legal form, even if the real intent is to help the Dems. And you can see why this had to be a CI [counterintelligence] thing, so in a sense the Russia narrative was almost inevitable -- no other bogeyman would really fit the bill, and especially on short notice.
So that's what they do, and Halper helps them come up with Papadopoulos and Page, so by the end of July they've got their FI. Problem. Their first FISA is rejected, but eventually, 10/2016, they get that.
And then Trump wins and Rogers visits Trump Tower. And the Deep State has a fit.
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There is a lot more in this article worth reading. I posted this segment because I have never heard about there being a PI (Preliminary Investigation) during an early phase of the scheme. But you can see how this former FBI agent has tied in the private contractors performing 702 Queries, national security letters (NSLs) & Halper. You can see that Halper's meeting with Page in mid July likely proved to be a pivotal point regarding converting from a PI to a FI (Full Investigation). Now if this indeed is what happened, I would assume there would be paperwork involved for instituting the PI. I'm hoping Nunes & Grassley read this article.

Somehow, somebody has to get a handle on the private contractors who were performing the illegal 702 queries. They need somebody to rat out the culprits, but that could be really dangerous for whomever does it. Obama was spying on everybody for a long time. I suspect he has dirt on a whole bunch of politicians. Remember Maxine Water's comment about Obama having a special database?

For some comic relief, A. F Branco does some pretty humorous cartoons as well...



Yeah, make up a crime, find someone to pin it on.

The FBI has been crooked going all the way back to J Edger Hoover's coverup of the Russian and Cuban involvement in the assasination of Kennedy!

Everyone needs to hear this, I think Rand Paul is onto something. Gina Haspel either was fire walled from Brennan's dirty business or she's a problem and needs to be watched. Now she wasn't brought in from the field until February 2, 2017 and put under Pompeo and she may well be in the dark, but you'd think as sharp as she is she'd figure it out ex post facto. Hair on my neck is not giving me a good feeling.

Feedback anyone?

Heck, if Rowdy can figure it out, the whole world has figured it out by now.

My guess is that Brennan was part of a very small group of very bad actors to start with. The bad actors were part of a play being directed and produced by folks at the top of the food chain.

This is an excellent point

These Texts need to be front and center as they go up the food chain on this whole deal

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These Texts need to be front and center as they go up the food chain on this whole deal

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What is a LHM?

It's just a coincidence that the two names side by side on this $25MM payment pledge to the other one's foundation, and of the billions of people walking this earth, one of these two was with Papadopoulos drunk in the UK.

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These Texts need to be front and center as they go up the food chain on this whole deal

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What is a LHM?

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letterhead memorandum

Leftist's Hay Maker...

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"If anyone did infiltrate or surveil participants in a presidential campaign for inappropriate purposes, we need to know about it and take appropriate action. The U.S. attorney would be consulted if evidence of criminal conduct was found."

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That still bugs the crap out of me. Rosenstein is admitting it happened but is using ye olde "intent" escape clause. Since he was a signatory to at least one of the applicable FISA warrants (that we know of) he is saying his "intent" was pure. IOW, he was duped.

This is a gigantic conflict of interest as Rosenstein will clearly be under the IG's investigation, yet the IG has to report back to him. Where are the statements from the ethics officials at DOJ who have cleared Rosenstein's participation in this? At a minimum, Rosenstein's statement should have included his consultation with them as a part. And maybe Rosenstein is just a useful idiot who was out of the loop. But he should be caught up to speed by now. In either event, he is one of the primary witnesses in both the original and expanded IG probe.

An addendum to my above comments. Comey, Yates, Baker, Lisa Page, McCabe, Lynch and others are all gone. Meaning they are not within the IG's control. Rosenstein and Strzok are still there. That makes them to two witnesses with the most knowledge that Horowitz can access. Nor does Horowitz have jurisdiction over the CIA nor NSA. He can request his fellow IG's overseeing those agencies to dove-tail investigations with his but again many of the perpetrators at those agencies are gone.

Rosenstein is in place to obstruct, stonewall, obfuscate and otherwise refuse to allow a proper IG investigation. He has thus far been hostile to Congressional oversight. Lied about the scope of Mueller's investigation attempting to expand it by bootstrapping his August 2, 2017 memo to be retroactive to the date of the original appointment and has given Mueller counter-intelligence authority in secret. He has been caught lying about national security interests as the basis of massive redactions of documents sought by the House and Senate.

But Horowitz has to report back to that guy?