I have searched but cannot find it but I thought at the time of Clapper's and Brennan's nominations, that one or both were considered to be untrustworthy.

bobbranco said:

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I have searched but cannot find it but I thought at the time of Clapper's and Brennan's nominations, that one or both were considered to be untrustworthy.

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Brennan caught a little flack for his involvement in the water boarding issue but nowhere near what Gina Haspel endured.

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bobbranco said:

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I have searched but cannot find it but I thought at the time of Clapper's and Brennan's nominations, that one or both were considered to be untrustworthy.

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Brennan caught a little flack for his involvement in the water boarding issue but nowhere near what Gina Haspel endured.

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Obama actually nominated him for CIA Chief in 2008 and had to withdraw his name because of the waterboarding that went on under his watch in 2003-2005 and appointed him to Deputy National Security Advisor, which did not require Senate confirmation, after Petraeus got caught in the affair. Clapper went through the first time he was nominated for DNI, and Clapper was unanimously confirmed by the Senate for the position

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/998242710824869888.html

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And Clinton with the help of the DNC screwed with thr Bernie campaign.

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Wonder if they were spying on Bernie?

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I thought that too but I bet they had plenty of fake Bernie supporters in the campaign feeding them info. Also, I doubt there were a lot of foreign contacts in the Bernie camp. Now if they were pulling American to American communications then we will reach another level of malfeasance.

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MadDog73 said:

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pedro_martinez said:

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And Clinton with the help of the DNC screwed with thr Bernie campaign.

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Wonder if they were spying on Bernie?

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I thought that too but I bet they had plenty of fake Bernie supporters in the campaign feeding them info. Also, I doubt there were a lot of foreign contacts in the Bernie camp. Now if they were pulling American to American communications then we will reach another level of malfeasance.

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They didn't need to spy on Bernie, they bought and paid for the Super delegates and you can't win the DNC nomination without them. Bernie was beaten before he ever started. He went along with it because he knew he was going to fill his war chest with political donations and get the balloon payment to endorse HRC at the convention.

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https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/998242710824869888.html

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I'm not impressed with this thread at all.
CrowdStrike released reports in June/July of 2016 about Russian hackers being responsible for the DNC hack, & there was that Gruccifer 2.0 chap making claims at that time as well. Then Clapper & Johnson (Homeland Security) released a joint statement in October 2016 that they were confident the Russians hacked the DNC. So this was all public information prior to the December 13, 2016 final memo in the Steele dossier. It was no big deal regarding sources, etc. or who provided the info to Steele -- there was nothing to suggest Fusion & CrowdStrike were exchanging info concerning this December 13 memo. Steele just added extraneous BS about Cohen & the Russian cyber outfit to make it look like authentic intel.
Beanz misses the real purpose of the belated December 13 memo IMO. By providing some 'verifiable intel' in the December 13 memo, while making it look like it was Russian intel from 'sources', the purpose was to add credibility to the dossier, as well as providing new intel to be included in the subsequent renewal application.

It appears Obama and some of his close associates may have been deeply involved in spying on Donald Trump the candidate and Donald Trump the POTUS. Hilary was heavily favored to win.

Serious question. Why would Obama risk everything? Same question applies to Rosenstein and Mueller. Those guys are playing with fire. They could be looking at jail time.

Blackmail. Impeachment. Iran. Coverup kickbacks. Outright stupidity. ?????

There is something I'm missing in all this.

Mueller baited the hook claiming he could wrap up this investigation by Sept 1st if he could just interview the POTUS by mid July. According to Rudy

coyote68 said:

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It appears Obama and some of his close associates may have been deeply involved in spying on Donald Trump the candidate and Donald Trump the POTUS. Hilary was heavily favored to win.

Serious question. Why would Obama risk everything? Same question applies to Rosenstein and Mueller. Those guys are playing with fire. They could be looking at jail time.

Blackmail. Impeachment. Iran. Coverup kickbacks. Outright stupidity. ?????

There is something I'm missing in all this.

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You are absolutely correct. There is a reason these people are doing everything possible to bring down Trump.

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Mueller has just baited the hook claiming he could wrap up this investigation by Sept 1st if he could just interview the POTUS by mid July.

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He wants to interview him about obstruction. That means no interview if I'm calling the shots, pure perjury trap. He can fire anyone he wants.

Nope nope nope. Said he "could" wrap it up. Nope nope nope.

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RoscoePColtrane said:

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Mueller has just baited the hook claiming he could wrap up this investigation by Sept 1st if he could just interview the POTUS by mid July.

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He wants to interview him about obstruction. That means no interview if I'm calling the shots, pure perjury trap. He can fire anyone he wants.

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Well unless he can show there is grounds for obstruction, he can GFHimself.

Firing Comey? Not grounds, full article 2 protection.

Is he claiming Trump destroyed evidence? Where's the proof

He's going to half to show something.

Now if he will interview Hillary first, might be considered.

coyote68 said:

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It appears Obama and some of his close associates may have been deeply involved in spying on Donald Trump the candidate and Donald Trump the POTUS. Hilary was heavily favored to win.

Serious question. Why would Obama risk everything? Same question applies to Rosenstein and Mueller. Those guys are playing with fire. They could be looking at jail time.

Blackmail. Impeachment. Iran. Coverup kickbacks. Outright stupidity. ?????

There is something I'm missing in all this.

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You and Onenight are correct, IMO.

The ONLY reason I can think of that doesn't involve 7 figures, is honest-to-god, genuine, true political belief. Rosentstein I can kind of expect, as his wife is in a postion to share confidential information about both parties, assuming she breaks the legal vow.

However, in order to have THIS many folks involved, it would have to be genuine belief, which isn't necessarily unexpected, given what we know about some of our resident locals here. No matter what kind of proof, facts, history, or human nature, NOTHING would ever give 80% of Dems a pause. They blow right by any possible indictment of their beliefs.

To me, that's the only way this could happen. Sure, it's possible funds were involved, as mentioned here before, but the kind of behavior we have seen since Bill Clinton's presidency is Little Red Book type of belief.

Free advice from a nonlawyer.

POTUS Trump, do not talk to Mueller.

POTUS Trump, order Rod Rosenstein to give Grassley, Gowdy, and Nunes the documents, unredacted, they have requested and provide full answers to their questions by 5 PM May 21. If Rosenstein refuses, go public with his refusal. Then turn up the heat on him. You dont want to fire him, you want to make him and Mueller to be the bad guys. Tweet. Tweet. Tweet.

Giving the documents to Congress does not obstruct Justice. Declassify the documents do the American public can see them.

Tracy Beanz summarized the above Twitter-thread in the following YouTube video.

The December Memo: Russian Hacking Debunked??


BTW, I have been listening to her for almost a month. She is able to get into the gory details and pick out clues that would have otherwise been lost.

https://www.themarketswork.com/2018/05/20/sir-richard-dearlove-uk-intelligence-ties/

Interesting read. You should become familiar with the UK names in this article if you want to follow events as they unfold in exposing this scheme.

coyote68 said:

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It appears Obama and some of his close associates may have been deeply involved in spying on Donald Trump the candidate and Donald Trump the POTUS. Hilary was heavily favored to win.

Serious question. Why would Obama risk everything? Same question applies to Rosenstein and Mueller. Those guys are playing with fire. They could be looking at jail time.

Blackmail. Impeachment. Iran. Coverup kickbacks. Outright stupidity. ?????

There is something I'm missing in all this.

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Their foolish assumption that HRC had the Presidency easily in hand would be their downfall.

I bet LurchComey believed even after the Weiner fiasco Hillary was golden.

aggiehawg said:

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bobbranco said:

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I have searched but cannot find it but I thought at the time of Clapper's and Brennan's nominations, that one or both were considered to be untrustworthy.

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Brennan caught a little flack for his involvement in the water boarding issue but nowhere near what Gina Haspel endured.

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Found it. Clapper lied and Obama appointed him anyway.

http://www.ianwelsh.net/the-beauty-of-obamas-clapper-appointment/

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As you've probably heard, Obama has appointed James Clapper (the man who lied under oath to Congress about NSA spying) to review NSA spying.

I am in awe, few things have impressed me this deeply.

This isn't just a middle finger to everyone to everyone who is against blanket surveillance (aka. the majority of Americans), it is Obama saying "Kiss My Ass."

It's really hard for most people to understand just how much contempt our lords and masters have for us. They really don't give a **** what's good for us, what we like, or what we think. They are rich, or powerful, or famous because they deserve it, and if we aren't any of those things then they don't give two ****s what we think. By not being rich, powerful or famous we have proven we don't deserve any say. After all, if we had any qualities that were worthwhile beyond the sort of qualities you praise in a dog, we wouldn't be peons, would we.

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ETA this link.

https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0605/Key-lawmakers-resist-Obama-s-pick-of-Clapper-as-intelligence-chief

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"Unfortunately, with his pick in Jim Clapper as the next DNI, the President has ensured our terror-fighting strategy will continue to be run out of the Department of Justice and White House," he said in a statement. "While Jim has served our nation well, he lacks the necessary clout with the President, has proven to be less than forthcoming with Congress, and has recently blocked our efforts to empower the DNI, which is why at this time I'm not inclined to support him."

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D) of California, who leads the Senate committee, has indicated she'd rather have a civilian in the job somebody like CIA Director Leon Panetta.

Rep. Pete Hoekstra, (R) of Michigan, the top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, isn't happy with the Clapper appointment either.

"Mr. Clapper has blocked my communications with elements of the intelligence community, and he has been evasive and slow to respond to questions and letters from members of the committee," he said in a statement. "Secondly, Mr. Clapper does not have the clout or independence to be the voice that provides an alternative to the Obama administration's prosecute after-the-fact approach to terror."

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You have to be kidding me. My dog Rowdy already knows it was all politically motivated.

He sees Comey and McCabe on TV and just goes ape####.

RoscoePColtrane said:

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This ******* need to go to jail

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This dude is starting to sound a wee bit desperate. If he was totally innocent of everything he wouldn't even be making noise at all.

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RoscoePColtrane said:

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This ******* need to go to jail

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This dude is starting to sound a wee bit desperate. If he was totally innocent of everything he wouldn't even be making noise at all.

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Just another sanctimonious, self-entitled s***.

coyote68 said:

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You have to be kidding me. My dog Rowdy already knows it was all politically motivated.

He sees Comey and McCabe on TV and just goes ape####.

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My worry is just further delays releasing what the have. I mean, they could start 10 more investigations based on what info they already have but further delays will not help anything IMO.

Ok. Rowdy says the DOJ thinks there was a political motivation to the FISA apps. Rowdy asked if Rosenstein had signed off on any of the FISA apps?

Surely not.

coyote68 said:

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Ok. Rowdy says the DOJ thinks there was a political motivation to the FISA apps. Rowdy asked if Rosenstein had signs off on any of the FISA apps? Surely not.

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I've heard he signed 2 of the renewals. Comey on the original in Oct. Yates on the Jan. renewal, Rosey on the 2nd and 3rd renewals. Page had a FISA warrant on him for a year.