Mueller dismisses top FBI agent in Russia probe for anti-Trump texts

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Seriously sandbagged that entire deal. They never intended to do anything but NYPD wasn't going to just lay around and say nothing. Once they knew if they didn't act they would be exposed, they jumped on the warrant and hurried through the emails if they even really looked at them, we still don't know that for sure, they just said they were duplicated, they could be anything, namely the 30K that were deleted.
So frustrating! It would have taken Preet Bharara about an hour to type up a request for a search warrant and order ready for a judge to sign and get it signed. Then let the team from DC conduct the search.

Yet, a month later it suddenly occurs to the DC FBI's legal office that nobody got a warrant to search for them??

It's also pretty clear that Preet didn't sit on them. He ran it up the chain of command to Main Justice immediately. There's a stand down order that came from someone. Preet's boss would have Lynch. Strzok's is Priestap. Did a team go to NY and start to review them in late September or not? Strzok's text to Page suggests that McCabe ordered him to send the team up there to review them on September 28th, meaning they would have gone on the 29th. Someone countermanded that order, apparently. Who?
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OIG report can't get here fast enough.
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Preet was Schumer's chief counsel. He was going to sit on the email discovery and ride it out as long as he could.

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Preet Bharara, the chief counsel to Senator Charles E. Schumer, was confirmed Friday as United States attorney for the Southern District of New York, the senator's office said.

Preet Bharara's democratic ties
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Preet was Schumer's chief counsel. He was going to sit on the email discovery and ride it out as long as he could.

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Preet Bharara, the chief counsel to Senator Charles E. Schumer, was confirmed Friday as United States attorney for the Southern District of New York, the senator's office said.

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But he didn't sit on them. He alerted Main Justice. And the FBI NYC's Field Office also alerted DC headquarters of the emails. It was totally within his jurisdiction to get a search warrant, then and there. The DC Hillary investigation was closed. He could have opened a new one. But he wasn't given the go-ahead, apparently.

Democratic ties or not, had he been ordered to get the warrant, he would have. He's a smart guy. There's a CYA in the files somewhere where he was ordered to stand down. Maybe by Yates or Rosenstein, if not Lynch?
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But he didn't sit on them. He alerted Main Justice. And the FBI NYC's Field Office also alerted DC headquarters of the emails.


I'm guessing that was just CYA on his part. If he passed it up over his head, he couldn't be blamed for doing nothing. But he did remain silent while the FBI stalled and tried to hide it.
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Back on page 199 and 200, we were questioning the OIG, and by proxy, Horowitz.

Since everything I've heard and read about Horowitz is good, even if he's an Obama appointee, are we still worried about any leanings he may have? I'm asking because since December 2nd, this investigation has developed legs, but it's like killing mosquitoes----you kill one, and ten come to the funeral. Every time something good and concrete comes along, there's a lengthy stop backwards.

The IG report could, and should, lead to a grand jury for multiple crimes. IF Horowitz was, or is, somehow compromised, this whole thing is dead.
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But he didn't sit on them. He alerted Main Justice. And the FBI NYC's Field Office also alerted DC headquarters of the emails.


I'm guessing that was just CYA on his part. If he passed it up over his head, he couldn't be blamed for doing nothing. But he did remain silent while the FBI stalled and tried to hide it.
Who in Main Justice did he alert? That part's probably covered in prior pages but I'm too lazy to go back and search.
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akm91 said:

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But he didn't sit on them. He alerted Main Justice. And the FBI NYC's Field Office also alerted DC headquarters of the emails.


I'm guessing that was just CYA on his part. If he passed it up over his head, he couldn't be blamed for doing nothing. But he did remain silent while the FBI stalled and tried to hide it.
Who in Main Justice did he alert? That part's probably covered in prior pages but I'm too lazy to go back and search.
He would have reported to Dana Boente at that time period.
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But he didn't sit on them. He alerted Main Justice. And the FBI NYC's Field Office also alerted DC headquarters of the emails.


I'm guessing that was just CYA on his part. If he passed it up over his head, he couldn't be blamed for doing nothing. But he did remain silent while the FBI stalled and tried to hide it.
Who in Main Justice did he alert? That part's probably covered in prior pages but I'm too lazy to go back and search.
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RoscoePColtrane said:

akm91 said:

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But he didn't sit on them. He alerted Main Justice. And the FBI NYC's Field Office also alerted DC headquarters of the emails.


I'm guessing that was just CYA on his part. If he passed it up over his head, he couldn't be blamed for doing nothing. But he did remain silent while the FBI stalled and tried to hide it.
Who in Main Justice did he alert? That part's probably covered in prior pages but I'm too lazy to go back and search.
He would have reported to Dana Boente at that time period.
Lynch was US Attorney for the Eastern District of New York before her elevation to AG. She and Preet know each other quite well. No matter which precise person he talked to at Main Justice, he would make sure he was doing whatever she wished him to do.

Remember by this time, Hillary had signaled that Lynch would remain her AG after the election. For Preet to be secure, he had to stay on Lynch's good side as well as Hillary's.
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So frustrating! It would have taken Preet Bharara about an hour to type up a request for a search warrant and order ready for a judge to sign and get it signed. Then let the team from DC conduct the search.
Well, yeah, but the problem is a certain assumption that seems to be there.

There is actually no evidence at all that the Obama administration ever served America's interests first. That it wasn't basically a crook banana government in character. So of course it was the local element - the NYPD - that foiled the cover-up attempt.

We need more power to the states and less to Beltway, not less. And fast.
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There is actually no evidence at all that the Obama administration ever served America's interests first. That it wasn't basically a crook banana government in character. So of course it was the local element - the NYPD - that foiled the cover-up attempt.

We need more power to the states and less to Beltway, not less. And fast.
I still think the NYC FBI Field Office was angry as well as the state and local cops. It was going to come out at some point that Comey and Lynch sat on them and that point got there before the election...much to their chagrin.

I go back to the lack of an application for a search warrant covering the Hillary emails for an entire month. Weiner is sexting a 15 year old. The computer forensic cops are looking for the pedo and dicpic stuff but find Hillary/Huma emails using the private server email address. They don't have authority to open the emails without a warrant.

Now Strzok knows from his meeting with McCabe there are "hundreds of thousands" of emails on Weiner's computer as he states on September 28, 2016 in a text to Page. He also says he's sending a team up to NYC to review those emails (presumably armed with an appropriate warrant) the next day.

Yet, nothing actually happens. The whole thing gets shut down. By whom? And how many?

Then a month later someone finally gets around to applying for a search warrant?? In an ordinary crime situation, I could see how it would take a month to finally apply for the search warrant as the pile on someone's desk slowly gets whittled down. But Hillary Clinton and her top aide?? That file request is over the transom and pinned to the urgent bulletin board, not at the bottom of a pile of search warrant requests...until some superior says, "No."
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aggiehawg said:

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There is actually no evidence at all that the Obama administration ever served America's interests first. That it wasn't basically a crook banana government in character. So of course it was the local element - the NYPD - that foiled the cover-up attempt.

We need more power to the states and less to Beltway, not less. And fast.
I still think the NYC FBI Field Office was angry as well as the state and local cops. It was going to come out at some point that Comey and Lynch sat on them and that point got there before the election...much to their chagrin.

I go back to the lack of an application for a search warrant covering the Hillary emails for an entire month. Weiner is sexting a 15 year old. The computer forensic cops are looking for the pedo and dicpic stuff but find Hillary/Huma emails using the private server email address. They don't have authority to open the emails without a warrant.

Now Strzok knows from his meeting with McCabe there are "hundreds of thousands" of emails on Weiner's computer as he states on September 28, 2016 in a text to Page. He also says he's sending a team up to NYC to review those emails (presumably armed with an appropriate warrant) the next day.

Yet, nothing actually happens. The whole thing gets shut down. By whom? And how many?

Then a month later someone finally gets around to applying for a search warrant?? In an ordinary crime situation, I could see how it would take a month to finally apply for the search warrant as the pile on someone's desk slowly gets whittled down. But Hillary Clinton and her top aide?? That file request is over the transom and pinned to the urgent bulletin board, not at the bottom of a pile of search warrant requests...until some superior says, "No."
I'm with you, this was the biggest thing on the planet right then, even though Comey had officially closed the case, there had to be a stand down order for it to just set 30 days, and them then trying to sell it off that they had some algorithm search and sort what was reported around 600K emails in a couple of days, after taking months before.

And what happened to all the metadata on those emails, something they were missing before. IIRC correctly, the emails Hillary produced initially were hard paper copies that here lawyers "sorted" and determined what to turn over. Without Metadata those emails they printed could be anything. They turned over a wiped server with fragments caught up in a partition or something.

Whatever happened to the cloud that was discovered by Datto Inc, that kept a cloud backup of everything that Green River was doing? Still a lot of missing pieces and unanswered questions in my book. The whole agreement to destroy Mill's and Abedin's laptops after they looked at them after their interviews. All of those things were requested by the committees and they never got anything, stonewalled constantly.
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And what happened to all the metadata on those emails, something they were missing before. IIRC correctly, the emails Hillary produced initially were hard paper copies that here lawyers "sorted" and determined what to turn over. Without Metadata those emails they printed could be anything.
so anyone that's dealt with electronic discovery in litigation immediately saw this as a massive red flag.

What should usually happen in these instances is that a forensic image of all drives should be made, files reviewed for (actual) privilege and then produced in native format with all metadata intact. Failure to do that would get the lawyers sanctioned to the moon and the client tagged pretty hard for spoliation.
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blindey said:

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And what happened to all the metadata on those emails, something they were missing before. IIRC correctly, the emails Hillary produced initially were hard paper copies that here lawyers "sorted" and determined what to turn over. Without Metadata those emails they printed could be anything.
so anyone that's dealt with electronic discovery in litigation immediately saw this as a massive red flag.

What should usually happen in these instances is that a forensic image of all drives should be made, files reviewed for (actual) privilege and then produced in native format with all metadata intact. Failure to do that would get the lawyers sanctioned to the moon and the client tagged pretty hard for spoliation.
I won't pretend to know what the hell I'm talking about, but my grandson explained it to me as they had to have been using some sort of POP mail server that leaves whole copies of these emails all over the place. According to him that is pretty amateurish for someone doing contract work for the state department. He says its just shoddy computer work. With all those different devices they likely had emails with headers intact scattered over every device they ever used and it sounds like they used a LOT of them. He told me what the server type was they should have been using but for the life of me I can't remember it, but it was something server based that would not leave all these duplicates scattered everywhere.


That be ing said there has to be a lot more that we aren't aware of, there's no way they cleaned all that up, evidense being Weiner's laptop being full of them. And this cloud belonging to Datto Inc. Maybe Horowitz has a guru in the middle of all of that and they are keeping things under wraps.
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I don't know that much about the technical aspects but short answer is that those emails should exist in a LOT of places.

What was likely going on behind the scenes is that a competent data management company was systematically destroying every last shred of evidence in sight. The way you do it is you hire a law firm to run an "internal investigation" and then you tell them nonchalantly to hire their data management vendor to come in and destroy everything.
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I mean democrats preferred to use Pakistani nationals for their IT work. Not surprised it was shoddy AF
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I think they quite deliberately chose which emails to print. I don't think poor technology had anything to do with it.
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RoscoePColtrane said:

blindey said:

RoscoePColtrane said:

And what happened to all the metadata on those emails, something they were missing before. IIRC correctly, the emails Hillary produced initially were hard paper copies that here lawyers "sorted" and determined what to turn over. Without Metadata those emails they printed could be anything.
so anyone that's dealt with electronic discovery in litigation immediately saw this as a massive red flag.

What should usually happen in these instances is that a forensic image of all drives should be made, files reviewed for (actual) privilege and then produced in native format with all metadata intact. Failure to do that would get the lawyers sanctioned to the moon and the client tagged pretty hard for spoliation.
I won't pretend to know what the hell I'm talking about, but my grandson explained it to me as they had to have been using some sort of POP mail server that leaves whole copies of these emails all over the place. According to him that is pretty amateurish for someone doing contract work for the state department. He says its just shoddy computer work. With all those different devices they likely had emails with headers intact scattered over every device they ever used and it sounds like they used a LOT of them. He told me what the server type was they should have been using but for the life of me I can't remember it, but it was something server based that would not leave all these duplicates scattered everywhere.


That be ing said there has to be a lot more that we aren't aware of, there's no way they cleaned all that up, evidense being Weiner's laptop being full of them. And this cloud belonging to Datto Inc. Maybe Horowitz has a guru in the middle of all of that and they are keeping things under wraps.
Remember it was the Obama administration that designed Obamacare website portal database....not such a reach that the competence was spotty...
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Remember it was the Obama administration that designed Obamacare website portal database....not such a reach that the competence was spotty...
Actually, they outsourced it to a British and a Canadian company.......and then Booz Allen----NSA owned subsidiary that Snowden worked for on several occasions.
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Remember it was the Obama administration that designed Obamacare website portal database....not such a reach that the competence was spotty...
Actually, they outsourced it to a British and a Canadian company.......and then Booz Allen----NSA owned subsidiary that Snowden worked for on several occasions.
True, but it still speaks to incompetence if a CinC hands over command of his army to a foreign bumbler without vetting them, and especially if he has the likes of Mattis on hand - which in the analogy is America's huge tech company giants and lead in such matters. It should have few flaws at all, let alone a missing back-end!

So it still goes to Democrat incompetence to delegate poorly, but that is not new either.
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https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/969814604099366912.html

A history lesson...the real RussiaGate. How the Clintons came to love Russia. And yes, we meddled in Russian elections. Just ask Bill about it...and Gore too.
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RoscoePColtrane said:

blindey said:

RoscoePColtrane said:

And what happened to all the metadata on those emails, something they were missing before. IIRC correctly, the emails Hillary produced initially were hard paper copies that here lawyers "sorted" and determined what to turn over. Without Metadata those emails they printed could be anything.
so anyone that's dealt with electronic discovery in litigation immediately saw this as a massive red flag.

What should usually happen in these instances is that a forensic image of all drives should be made, files reviewed for (actual) privilege and then produced in native format with all metadata intact. Failure to do that would get the lawyers sanctioned to the moon and the client tagged pretty hard for spoliation.
I won't pretend to know what the hell I'm talking about, but my grandson explained it to me as they had to have been using some sort of POP mail server that leaves whole copies of these emails all over the place. According to him that is pretty amateurish for someone doing contract work for the state department. He says its just shoddy computer work. With all those different devices they likely had emails with headers intact scattered over every device they ever used and it sounds like they used a LOT of them. He told me what the server type was they should have been using but for the life of me I can't remember it, but it was something server based that would not leave all these duplicates scattered everywhere.


That be ing said there has to be a lot more that we aren't aware of, there's no way they cleaned all that up, evidense being Weiner's laptop being full of them. And this cloud belonging to Datto Inc. Maybe Horowitz has a guru in the middle of all of that and they are keeping things under wraps.


Probably Exchange server. And the "amateurish" nature of their choice may have been by design. If someone gets ahold of your Exchange database they have a copy of EVERYTHING.
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http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/01/jim-jordan-sessions-second-special-counsel/


The FBI cannot investigate itself...and neither can Mueller investigate the FBI. Why there must be a SC. At the link is an article with a 3 minute video where Rep. Jim Jordan explains why Sessions must appoint a SC. (I cannot link the video directly.)
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https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/965665088517570560.html

We've talked about Jeannie Rhee back in December, another compromised member of Team Mueller:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/07/another-mueller-investigators-democratic-ties-raise-new-bias-questions.html
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RoscoePColtrane said:

They never intended to do anything but NYPD wasn't going to just lay around and say nothing. Once they knew if they didn't act they would be exposed, they jumped on the warrant and hurried through the emails if they even really looked at them, we still don't know that for sure, they just said they were duplicated, they could be anything, namely the 30K that were deleted.

Exactly.

The NYPD, which stank of corruption in the 70s and 80s, was the ONE law enforcement agency that was doing its job.

That in itself shows what a joke the FBI and DOJ became under Obama.
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https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/969814604099366912.html

A history lesson...the real RussiaGate. How the Clintons came to love Russia. And yes, we meddled in Russian elections. Just ask Bill about it...and Gore too.


And Obama meddled in the Israeli elections as well.

Yet the liberals and NeverTrumpers never talk about that.

Gee, I wonder why?
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http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/01/jim-jordan-sessions-second-special-counsel/


The FBI cannot investigate itself...and neither can Mueller investigate the FBI. Why there must be a SC. At the link is an article with a 3 minute video where Rep. Jim Jordan explains why Sessions must appoint a SC. (I cannot link the video directly.)


Sessions is such a clown...as is anyone defending him at this point.
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Prosecutors have quietly delayed the Awan brothers trial again for the forth time. If people think this is a real estate mortgage trial they are crazy. Something tells me they are awaiting the IG report to drop as well, and the fact that Mueller is reportedly going after the "hackers" is directly related to them, that and the fact that he had DWS laptop in his possession when he was arrested two months after he had been barred from IT access on the hill. Still curious to see where the US Attorney is going to pursue these guys.
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https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/969814604099366912.html

A history lesson...the real RussiaGate. How the Clintons came to love Russia. And yes, we meddled in Russian elections. Just ask Bill about it...and Gore too.

Speaking of Al Gore, I saw something flash across twitter last night and didn't pursue it because I didn't trust the source, and there is a unbelievable amount of mocked up documents floating around these days. But it was a 2005 investigation report on Gore in some sort of sexual misconduct deal. The documents even had redactions in it to protect the victim, to make it look authentic, but something about it just stunk, so I took it with a grain of salt. Has anyone else run across that yet?
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I remember Al was involved in some "massage" incident at his hotel room. In the Pac NW I think. Seattle or Portland IIRC
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RoscoePColtrane said:

Prosecutors have quietly delayed the Awan brothers trial again for the forth time. If people think this is a real estate mortgage trial they are crazy. Something tells me they are awaiting the IG report to drop as well, and the fact that Mueller is reportedly going after the "hackers" is directly related to them, that and the fact that he had DWS laptop in his possession when he was arrested two months after he had been barred from IT access on the hill. Still curious to see where the US Attorney is going to pursue these guys.
I thought the laptop that DWS was trying to get back was one he left in a closet?

Awan had another one of her laptops when he was arrested?
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aggiehawg said:

RoscoePColtrane said:

Prosecutors have quietly delayed the Awan brothers trial again for the forth time. If people think this is a real estate mortgage trial they are crazy. Something tells me they are awaiting the IG report to drop as well, and the fact that Mueller is reportedly going after the "hackers" is directly related to them, that and the fact that he had DWS laptop in his possession when he was arrested two months after he had been barred from IT access on the hill. Still curious to see where the US Attorney is going to pursue these guys.
I thought the laptop that DWS was trying to get back was one he left in a closet?

Awan had another one of her laptops when he was arrested?
Unless I'm recalling incorrectly
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